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For one who already flys the Dassault Falcon 50, is the EagleSoft Beechjet 400A worth the $25. Also, is it framerate friendly as I own a midrange 1.7 system, 512 ram system with a geforce 4200 video card.

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Well, the Beech 400A by itself for $25, I would question. But you get the 400A and the PremierI for $25. That's a good buy IMHO. I love the falcon 50. Awesome aircraft. Is the Beech and the Premier just as good. Yes and no. That Falcon50 is hard to beat. But, I can find flaws with the Falcon50 if I wanted to. Wheels don't turn. Textures don't shine, etc. etc. But the Falcon50 interior textures are better. I have the Beech400A and the PremierI. The interior textures are nice; but the Falcon is better, IMHO. They too have their good points and their flaws. For $12.50 each, though, they're worth it. I tweaked the FM in both because I'm fussy and like a certain feel. I understand they have updated both models now with better FMs. Haven't tried the updated ones yet. Both cockpits are nice. The modelling is absolutely excellent on both. Quite a few textures are available now. All pluses. They both run extremely well on my system. (PIV2.53 512mbPC1066 ATI9700Pro); but they do take a lot of ram which I don't notice till I exit the sim and have to wait a few seconds for my desktop. They're both smooth though in any situation. A little more ram would be nice. Bottom line, if you like the Falcon50 and business jets in general, you'll like both of these. The PremierI is now my favorite aircraft.Here's a link to some pics I took: http://www.x-plane.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/i...t=ST;f=13;t=188

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Don't forget they will function in FS2004 with clickable VC's as well.Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what

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I have impression the Beech and Premier were made primarily to satisfy craving for exterior eye-candy - and this one is very good, but the panels are rather mediocre. Too bad because I would love to see Premier done with the same technical excellence as Flight1's Meridian.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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>I have impression the Beech and Premier were made primarily>to satisfy craving for exterior eye-candy - and this one is>very good, but the panels are rather mediocre. Too bad because>I would love to see Premier done with the same technical>excellence as Flight1's Meridian.>>Michael J.>http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpgJust add the Reality XP Jetline 4 Panels, and your good to Go.I think the 400XP is great, and with Service Release 1 its even better.

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>>Just add the Reality XP Jetline 4 Panels, and your good to>Go.I don't think Jetline 4 is the same as real Premier's Collins Pro-line 24. Yes, I admit I am a purist and won't take a substitute. (-:Michael J.

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I LOVE the Beechjet...one of the best looking models in FS I have ever seen.I love the VC and panel as well. Some people say the textures for the cockpit are a little blurry but I honestly don't have this problem at all.The Falcon 50 is really good for Freeware, but it is FSDS, has no reflections, no dynamic shine, and IMO is quite dated.Personally, I'd drop the 25 on the Beechjet. The new service release is GREAT and you also get the Premier model as well don't forget! :)Yeah, I agree the Falcon 50 is good, but IMO not any where near as nice as the Beechjet/Premier Combo.

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Get the two aircrafts! They are great biz jets, and at least equally as good as the Falcon 50 (the same guy did the Flight Dynamics of the Falcon & the Beech).Greetings,

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Don't forget to download the update for the Beechjet. It add dynamic shine and improves the flight dynamics. (there are other improvments, but I forget what they were)

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Great responses. Does anyone have this with a mid-level machine (1.7, 512 ram) as I am wondering about the framerate on my machine? Thanks, Jack

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I like the Beechjet and I find myself flying it almost daily. Textures are easier to process compared to the Falcon50 which tends towards a bit of slow loading when you change views from VC to 2D to exterior. Not so with the Beechjet. As for the Premier, can't stand the look of it! Looks like it belongs more in the San Diego Sea World sim!Noel

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They should run about the same as the Falcon50 full model from the pit. The textures do update instantly when switching to outside view. Faster than the Falcon50. Think of it this way. The Falcon 50 won't work in FS2k4. The two eaglesoft jets were made for FS2k4. Good reason right there to try em' out.

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>Some people say the textures>for the cockpit are a little blurry but I honestly don't have>this problem at all.>Any panel that can't match crispiness of the Meridian's panel is blurry in my vocabulary. So even such icon product like 767PIC is now blurry for me ... :-eekMichael J.

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>They should run about the same as the Falcon50 full model>from the pit. The textures do update instantly when switching>to outside view. Faster than the Falcon50. Think of it this>way. The Falcon 50 won't work in FS2k4. The two eaglesoft>jets were made for FS2k4. Good reason right there to try em'>out.Good point.P.S. Bigshot, thanks for recommending the Radeon 9700 Pro..it's great!:)

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"Does anyone have this with a mid-level machine (1.7, 512 ram) as I am wondering about the framerate on my machine?" I have the ES Beechjet/Premier, and I'm running fine on a P3/800. I did have to add 128 megs of RAM--the panels used just enough RAM to cause me to "run out" while using MSFS. Since adding the RAM, everything's running like a champ--I can enjoy the panel. I also found that enabling HW T&L is important to eke out some extra performance with these aircraft. That's one FS option which requires a restart after enabling.Of the two aircraft, I favor the Beechjet....and that is true of the real aircraft as well. The Premier's looks--well, I'd guess you'd have to be a Premier's mother to like them :)Michael is right about these aircraft. If you're into panel drill, the included panels may not be enough for you to feel like you have your money's worth. I favor them for the whole package, and did fall for the eye candy, I'm afraid. I don't regret my purchase--especially valid after shelling out a few more $$$ to upgrade my RAM. I haven't been in the ES forums much these days, but I can also tell you their support and rapport seemed top notch during my frequent initial visits.-John

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Running both jets on Win98se, AMD 1.4, 512 MB DDR, GForce2 64....most sliders at 3/4 full. Flys smooth for me. Rob

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>For one who already flys the Dassault Falcon 50, is the>EagleSoft Beechjet 400A worth the $25. Also, is it framerate>friendly as I own a midrange 1.7 system, 512 ram system with a>geforce 4200 video card.I think the EagleSoft Beechjet 400A Is a FPS-hog and I have P4 2.0 system 1024 ram and a G-force 3 500TiIf I were you I would retrofit the Dassault Falcon 50 with RealityXP Jetline 2 avionics. http://www.reality-xp.com/products/JL2/index.htmAfter I retrofited the Dassault Falcon 50 is the best bizjet you can get, I really recomend it. =)/Johan

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>I think the EagleSoft Beechjet 400A Is a FPS-hog and I have P4>2.0 system 1024 ram and a G-force 3 500TiI fly both the 400A and the Premier I on an old Intel Pentium III/850MHz with 512MB SDRAM and an old ATI Rage Fury Pro video. I consistently get 18-22 fps with 100% AI, full-Autogen, and most mid-point settings elsewhere, full reflections, a/c shadow, etc.If you have having frame-rate issues, I'd look to your system and/or drivers first. Your system should have much better performance than mine! In every single case where the fps issue has been raised in the support forum, it has turned out to be issues other than the 400A that has been the proximate cause.BillAVSIM OmbudsmanFounder and Director,Creative Recycling of Aircraft Partshttp://catholic-hymns.com/frbill/FS2002/images/fartslogo.jpg

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First, a declaration: I did the flight models for both the Falcon 50 and the updated Beechjet 400A. I enjoy flying both. Even more important than the reported frame rate on both aircraft, getting absolutely smooth motion on low or mid range systems might involve setting aircraft gauges to LOW quality. (See FS2002/display/aircraft menu).If you had slightly stuttery motion before, please try low gauge quality settings in the above menu. 8 times out of 10 this radically improves performance.Rob Young

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>>For one who already flys the Dassault Falcon 50, is the>>EagleSoft Beechjet 400A worth the $25. Also, is it>framerate>>friendly as I own a midrange 1.7 system, 512 ram system with>a>>geforce 4200 video card.>>I think the EagleSoft Beechjet 400A Is a FPS-hog and I have P4>2.0 system 1024 ram and a G-force 3 500Ti>>If I were you I would retrofit the Dassault Falcon 50 with>RealityXP Jetline 2 avionics.>http://www.reality-xp.com/products/JL2/index.htm>>After I retrofited the Dassault Falcon 50 is the best bizjet>you can get, I really recomend it. =)>>/JohanYour computer has issues bud.

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Don't know if you guys are aware but we have partnered with RXP and they have install package to integrate they RXP Jetline 4 system into our airplanes:-)Ron Hamilton

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Hi Ron,good to hear! and from what I know, there is a new retrofit package which should be available for the excellent Service Release 1. Can't wait! :-)

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