In that case you should follow this link for FSx http://secure.simmarket.com/dbs-studio-profile-radar.phtml

In what case?? What does this tool have to do with real world aviation? Nothing. But I am glad you found something that suits your needs.

"I don't want to use sid/stars" is like saying I want to drive to Chicago but don't want to use highways

Why Don't you want to use SIDS and STARS?--That is what all airlines and all IFR flight plans use! When you File (IFR) you are given clearance from point a to point b (along with special instructions) You fly a SID, an approved route, a trnsition, and then a STAR--at some point you will usually be given some vectors for short or long cuts depending upon traffic--that is how planes all over the world fly. Unless of coures you want to be like those NW pilots who just wanted to fly where ever they felt like it! cheersDorn

Ever heard of a chart???

and all IFR flight plans use! ....

Just to clarify .. not ALL IFR plans use SIDs/STARs. Not every airport even has SIDs/STARs. There are extremely terrain challenging airport that have no STARs (for example KTEX). There are no STARs into Aspen either, yet pilots fly into such airports (commercial flights too) on IFR flight plans every day and somehow they manage to avoid terrain. Do they need ATC to help them with that? No. Magic? No.

Sorry to put this here although it's not directly in line with this discussion. Someone has just sent me a message asking for the addon I mentioned earlier here. He did not leave any address to send it . A french guy. If he reads this message he should send me in private his email or id on the site if he is a member.thanksClaude Paris

Why Don't you want to use SIDS and STARS?--That is what all airlines and all IFR flight plans use! When you File (IFR) you are given clearance from point a to point b (along with special instructions) You fly a SID, an approved route, a trnsition, and then a STAR--at some point you will usually be given some vectors for short or long cuts depending upon traffic--that is how planes all over the world fly. Unless of coures you want to be like those NW pilots who just wanted to fly where ever they felt like it! cheersDorn

"and all IFR flight plans use!"Just as a point-I have been flying GA ifr nearly 100% of the time the last 18 years and I've had a SID only once-I have had STARs about 25 times-but have never flown one-I always get vectors before starting. So all ifr flight plans don't use them-in fact in GA ifr flying- at least in my experience- it is very rare.Why would atc even assign them if you don't end up flying them?-in case radar goes out you have a defined routing to follow.If flying in terrain I always file airways rather than go direct (which is how I go when terrain isn't a factor-which is also most of the time). Airways assure obstacle clearance-so do approach chart procedures. As mentioned-relying on a display in hostile terrain in imc and not following routings that provide safe clearance is foolhardy.

Just to clarify .. not ALL IFR plans use SIDs/STARs. Not every airport even has SIDs/STARs. There are extremely terrain challenging airport that have no STARs (for example KTEX). There are no STARs into Aspen either, yet pilots fly into such airports (commercial flights too) on IFR flight plans every day and somehow they manage to avoid terrain. Do they need ATC to help them with that? No. Magic? No.

You are correct--but IFR pilots use approach plates into these places--approach plates or GPS approaches--for simming in fs I have been fine with Jepps Sim Charts--but they are finished and will discontinue the service at end of the year--then what will simmers do--I dont know!CheersDorn

To add another point, some time ago I was speaking with a bush pilot who hated his GPS. I think I mentioned this before, but whatever. In some very remote areas such as the high Yukon, there are many huge mountains and yet the GPS satellite signal is very weak. It's very possible to fly somewhere the GPS cannot find you. However, these are bush planes flown by experienced bush pilots, not jets or pleasurecraft. These fellows know the terrain intimately from hours upon hours of repeated flights in the region. Even in unfamiliar areas, a good bush pilot will circle near trouble spots many times before they commit their aircraft, and if it looks too dangerous, they turn around and go back. Jeff Shyluk Senior Staff ReviewerAVSIM

You are correct--but IFR pilots use approach plates into these places--approach plates or GPS approaches--for simming in fs I have been fine with Jepps Sim Charts--but they are finished and will discontinue the service at end of the year--then what will simmers do--I dont know!

And why do you despair? Who needs Jepps sim charts these days??? NOS plates are there - available for free.

And why do you despair? Who needs Jepps sim charts these days??? NOS plates are there - available for free.

Are there quick NOS Charts availabe online worldwide that can be accesed while flying on the Sim?---I mean right now if I am flying into some airport in some out of the way place I can call up any (almost) Chart and set up my approach--sim charts is great for this with sids, stars, and transitions.CheersDorn

NOS charts are only available for US. But then they give you 100% of US, not like SimCharts that limit you only to airports with runways long enough. Yes, they have everything including transitions, DPs, etc. They even have takeoff and alternate minimums - I doubt SimCharts include them. Unfortunately for flying outside of US you have to go to other sources - there are other resources available for simmers that give you approach plates in other countries (I don't fly outside of US so can't help).

Why Don't you want to use SIDS and STARS?--That is what all airlines and all IFR flight plans use! When you File (IFR) you are given clearance from point a to point b (along with special instructions) You fly a SID, an approved route, a trnsition, and then a STAR--at some point you will usually be given some vectors for short or long cuts depending upon traffic--that is how planes all over the world fly. Unless of coures you want to be like those NW pilots who just wanted to fly where ever they felt like it! cheersDorn

i FLY randomly from A to B in FSX using a tool called Destination finder to pick my start/end airports.Sid/Stars are too hard to locate if you flying outside US Europe.If i had easy access to Sid/Star for all FSX airports, then i willl be first in line to learn how to use sid/star cause i like the realism, but am sure getting sid/star for some airport in timbuktu could be a bit hard.If something does not have global effect in FSX, i prefer not to bother with it.When someone produces a website where i can get sid/star for most or all world airports , then i will be interested.So currently i will use MSA from fscommander to help with navigating high ground, and i can use it for any airport in the world.

The problem might have been solved in part, cause i just got Fscommander, and amongst many many great features of its moving map, it shows the MSA (Minimun safe altitude) of the area you are flying in, the MSA is dotted around the map like VORS or intersections.Short of anybody lecturing me about why i must use Sid/Star think ill use the FScommander MSA for now. Until some kind person comes up withterrain radar for FSX.Stuff that is showing red for high ground and brown for lower ground wount help either, cause that does not tell me my plane clears the mountain coming up ahead, it just says its high ground. A proper terrian radar will show height of mountains ahead in reference to your current altitude, and not just a dark colour for high ground.I suspect having the MSA on a moving map, would go some way to fixing the problem though.Did i hear someone say PFE ATC helps with terrain avoidance, cause both FSX and RC4 ATC have no clue about terrain avoidance. If so PFE would be a solution. [PFE is Pro Flight Emulator] ATC programIn that case you should follow this link for FSx http://secure.simmarket.com/dbs-studio-profile-radar.phtmlI already installed it, but the manual was translated to english by someone who seems cant speak english , so could not figure out how to configure the tool, otherwise its exactly what am looking for.

You say you use FSC. Have you checked the chapter V-1 of the tutorial; I cant give you the page as mine is in french. It explains how to use sid and star in the addon.May be you have a solution here. You have also a database available here : Navdata servicePerhaps you have already checked those and as we say in french " I push opened doors" :( Claude Paris

You say you use FSC. Have you checked the chapter V-1 of the tutorial; I cant give you the page as mine is in french. It explains how to use sid and star in the addon.May be you have a solution here. You have also a database available here : Navdata servicePerhaps you have already checked those and as we say in french " I push opened doors" :( Claude Paris

Thanks ,ill check that out, i have not made a flight with FSC yet , just still going through the manual.If the sid/star database in FSC covers the world , then that will certainly be a fix, then i can use this guy's vid to train up in Sid/star

Are there quick NOS Charts availabe online worldwide that can be accesed while flying on the Sim?---I mean right now if I am flying into some airport in some out of the way place I can call up any (almost) Chart and set up my approach--sim charts is great for this with sids, stars, and transitions.CheersDorn

Jeppesen still sells Trip Kits. Those are regular chart (terminal. low. high) but without subscription. Not inexpensive but great if you buy the appropriate binder(s), too. Used to buy some for Scandinavia, Central Europe, Pacific some years ago. Fully outdated by now. But every once in a while I still use them for full immersion. Phil