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Downloaded the Phoenix panels for Airbus, Boeing 777 and B744. Phantastic!! Wonder how I ever did with panels not as great as these...Are there any other panels as sophisticated - in graphic representation and in functionality - around, payware or freeware? I am especially interested in the Airbus 330 and 340, Boeing 737 and 757/767, but also some commuters like CRJ, F50 or DH8.If they come with any plane, fine with me, I can still "extract" the panel.THanks for any hintCR

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hi,I sure hope you purchased then downloaded and not just downloaded from someone for free, anyway I can point you to www.precisionmanuals.com they have a great 737 panel (which is part of a package) BTW this panel is much more realistic and accurate than the PSS panels. (not to bash pss in any way as I own all their aircraft) :-)Andrew

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Buy the 767 Pilot in Command package and you'll wonder how you managed with PSS panels.

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Dreamfleet 737. PIC A320,(if you have a fairly powerful machine and like virtual cockpits).RegardsHoward

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HiTry the Eurowings BAe 146-200, I cant stop flying the darn thing.

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Thanks for those hints!! Yes, I PURCHASED the PSS packages including the planes, although for the 744 and the 777 I prefer the POSKY and Meljet planes.Anyone knows of a good A340 panel?Cheers

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For complexity, I don't think you can beat the Dash 8 from Oleksiy Frolov. It's freeware, here at AVSIM you can get it. As far as systems modeling, best out there that I've tried, bar none. Sorry guys, I think it beats the PIC 767 as well. Now, it doesn't have a working FMC (yet, it's being developed right now), but as far as systems modeling, nothing comes close.Lobaeux

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>but as far as systems modeling, nothing comesNot sure how you can say so. 767PIC remains the only panel on the market that has modelled number of most common failures to date. Also the system modelling accuracy was confirmed by more than one real-life 767/757 pilot - there are number of them on the PIC forum and they come from different airlines. Some of them like Capt. BBall wrote 20+ pages review of the product and it does mean something. So despite all the hyperbole there is simply no FS-compatible product with the same trail of "paperwork" and pedigree as the 767PIC. On the general aviation side the product that may eventually develop the same type of following is Flight's Piper Meridian.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

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>PI767 and now PMDG 737NG are the must haves...by which I mean>complex packages which arent dummed down.Then maybe you can define "dummed down"?Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing

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"PSS have not made a "complex" package to date."*cough cough*Excuse me? :-xxrotflmao That's a good one!

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PIC is great, I love it to bits! Its a crying shame it won't be upgraded to work in FS2004 :(

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>PSS have not made a "complex" package to date. 80% of the>switches on all their panels are dummy switches.Don't know what PMDG has done so far, but PSS's switches seem to work, e. g. fuel system etc.Errhhh... What do you expect the cabin temperature selector to do in FS? Turn up your heat in your room?

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Could be done. Just link the switch to a brogram that overstresses the processor and the room temprature will rise. :-)I also like the fasten safety belts and no smoking switches that go 'Bing'. Very usefull... ahem. Are there any rolplayers that actually use these switches?-Good engine startup procedure and monitoring-Groundpower, APC and battery correctly implemented-Functional FMC-Good airfile-Accurate modelWhat more do you need?

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check out also Airbus A310 by Simulation Software Workshop > www.simsoftworkshop.com

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I dare say a lot of will...if and when they ever hit one of their numerous release dates.

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But following that logic, there'd never be any need for any controls other than the basic MSFS ones. All engine starts could be Ctl-E and away you go. However, if someone wants to use an add-on aircraft/panel as a procedural trainer, then every switch/button/rotary/lever should at least animate and give the proper audio response if required. I'd also like to see it integrated with the other aircraft systems. If a system is activated that requires a draw on aircraft power, I'd expect to see that effect modelled in the panels electrical system, even though we all know that MSFS is not really modelling this. This is possible with a lot of add-ons (PIC/DF/RFP/Frolov Dash-8) but PSS have a tendancy to stick non-animated graphic images on their panels when they have no direct requirement for managing the FS aircraft. That makes them great fun to fly around, but it leaves those who want to follow realistic procedures somewhat bereft.What would the temp controls and bing-bong switches do on a level-D simulator costing millions? Nothing, but they are still there so that crews can ensure they are following the correct procedures. I like PSS' products (I have them all) but I do feel that they are a little like Diet-Pepsi compared to real Coke.

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>I do feel that they are a little like Diet-Pepsi compared to>real Coke.You are going way too far here! A more accurate comparison would be high fructose corn syrup Coke compared to real Coke (i.e. Coke with sugar).Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing

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won't repeat all above ..three awesome regionals:Aerosoft's ATR 42/72 Payware . Espen

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John,I wouldn't tell that like it was gospel.The PIC-team, Wade, Eric, Laurent and Pedro might very well be redoing the 767PIC. The recent comments from Wade and Laurent have made me believe so. (my interpretation, that is)These guys are not stupid. Their addon is the single most complex and realistic airliner package ever produced for FS. The supporter group of PIC767 is BIG, and if they happen to release an FS2004 patch OR an entirely new product, I'm sure it will be torn out of the virtual shelves in NO time.So, new PICers. Go ahead and just buy it! You will not regret it.On the other hand, if you're used to half-baked aircraft, and not oriented in flying "as real as it gets", then you might be a bit disappointed. PIC767 is no toy, it's a training aid, and it has taken me almost THREE (yes, three) years to start flying it like the line pilots do with the real deal. Tero

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>won't repeat all above ..>>three awesome regionals:>>Aerosoft's ATR 42/72 Payware . >>Espen

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Thanks Gosta.The file is not currently available for download but I'll try again later. Those screenshots are great!Are there any problems merging the Dream Wings aircraft with this panel?

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