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Duke and FPS loss

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Long winded disclaimer: I read something about this effect in a post not related to a specific FPS loss. Of course now I can neither rememberize (sic) the posting or the author. The author of the post I am referring to mentioned observing a loss of a few FPS when moving his cursor from his second monitor to the main monitor on which the Duke's panel was displayed.I too noted this effect after your mentioning it yesterday. The loss was about 3-5 FPS. Odd.

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I just tested this senerio and noticed absolutely no change in the frame rate.

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I just tested this senerio and noticed absolutely no change in the frame rate.
While on the subject, I love the Duke but on my I920 (OC 3.8) even using the lowest of the options in the control panel it is hard on the frame rates especially with weather. Using the LK Kodiak, I get a solid 25 FPS locked and smooth but the Duke gets the stutters and FPS hit is like 5-10 FPS with any clouds. Tried FPS_Limiter but that had no real effect on my system (Windows 7). Any ideas? Am I missing something?Thanks, Sam

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While on the subject, I love the Duke but on my I920 (OC 3.8) even using the lowest of the options in the control panel it is hard on the frame rates especially with weather. Using the LK Kodiak, I get a solid 25 FPS locked and smooth but the Duke gets the stutters and FPS hit is like 5-10 FPS with any clouds. Tried FPS_Limiter but that had no real effect on my system (Windows 7). Any ideas? Am I missing something?Thanks, Sam
What graphics card do you use?

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I'm using a 9800 GTX + (182.50 driver). Dell XPS 730 3.0 Gb CPU, 4Gb RAM. I keep the FR's locked at 30 and get that using RC, ASA, FEX, etc.

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I'm using a 9800 GTX + (182.50 driver). Dell XPS 730 3.0 Gb CPU, 4Gb RAM. I keep the FR's locked at 30 and get that using RC, ASA, FEX, etc.
Yep...that is why I am asking the question. Seems like it should run fine on my system. I have tried re-install...FPS locked and unlocked very low to high locked settings and even unlimited. I keep thinking that I am just missing something here because I know most people are not having this problem at all even with older hardware. I get lots of stutters and the frame rates are very unstable.Sam

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Have you gone through Nicks guide on how to set up your system and FSX?
Yes...I do use Nick's tweaks, defragged often and have even turned down the contrast and the TV in the living room and bed room as well as installed a more effecient coffee pot LOL! No help? It is a bit of a puzzle since other aircraft work pretty good. I know that Real Air builds good stuff?? I only use one 24 inch monitor so that should not be a real factor.I keep thinking it has something to do with the Duh?? factor but just can't figure this one out.

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Have you gone through Nicks guide on how to set up your system and FSX?
I should add that I am using Rex textures and ASA networked for weather and have even tured down the textures in Rex to very lowest settings with no improvement. I run the normal add ons like Gex, UTX ect.

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While on the subject, I love the Duke but on my I920 (OC 3.8) even using the lowest of the options in the control panel it is hard on the frame rates especially with weather. Using the LK Kodiak, I get a solid 25 FPS locked and smooth but the Duke gets the stutters and FPS hit is like 5-10 FPS with any clouds. Tried FPS_Limiter but that had no real effect on my system (Windows 7). Any ideas? Am I missing something?Thanks, Sam
I've found that you can push any system to the edge by a combination of complex aircraft,complex scenery, weather, traffic etcIt is easy to add a bit of this and a bit of that and all is well, until you add weather in your example..Time to cut back a bit to keep it all within what your system can comfortably handle!In my case, I cut back on traffic (air, boats) and set freeway traffic to zero. Also water at 1X.And bingo, my fps were stable and respectable again!

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I've found that you can push any system to the edge by a combination of complex aircraft,complex scenery, weather, traffic etcIt is easy to add a bit of this and a bit of that and all is well, until you add weather in your example..Time to cut back a bit to keep it all within what your system can comfortably handle!In my case, I cut back on traffic (air, boats) and set freeway traffic to zero. Also water at 1X.And bingo, my fps were stable and respectable again!
I think you may be right. I run pretty agressive settings for Scenery (Very Dense) and Autogen (Dense) but with water as you suggested and Ultimate Traffic 50% settings. It may be that the Real Air guys did too good of a job!! I would have thought that the with Kodiak and G1000 running smooth would mean that my system would handle the Duke much better though.

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I would have thought that the with Kodiak and G1000 running smooth would mean that my system would handle the Duke much better though.
I find that the Kodiak is very frame-rate friendly... mind you, the level of panel detail is nowhere near the Duke's.

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FWIW, I run my autogen and scenery at dense, vehicles at low, default AI traffic at no more than 50% (GA or airline), and special effects (water, waves, etc) off entirely.I could run autogen and scenery at very dense when away from major cities but really get hammered when passing over any large city.Bert, you still own that old Tee-shirt?

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I find that the Kodiak is very frame-rate friendly... mind you, the level of panel detail is nowhere near the Duke's.
Well as I said in a post above....it is I think the Duh factor. Cranked back both scenery complex and autogen a notch and as you said....Bingo!! looking much better. Now I can tune this sweet Duke to the lower settings and it should be good to go. I am always amazed at myself as well as others, we just give to much credit to computer horse power and forget to measure the weight of the passengers and baggage and end up in a smoking hole 500 yards from the end of the runway. Thanks Bert for making me think!!....Duh!!

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That was me.... and this mouse cursor problem is not because of the Duke, it's a Windows/Hardware issue I believe. It happens to me with every plane, default and payware. I've tried different mouses (The one I use it the Logitech G5 laser), but I used it with my old Logitech optical - same problem. As long as I move the cursor off screen all is ok.

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Thanks Bert for making me think!!....Duh!!
Happy it worked for you! The Duke is one lovely plane to fly... :(

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That was me.... and this mouse cursor problem is not because of the Duke, it's a Windows/Hardware issue I believe. It happens to me with every plane, default and payware. I've tried different mouses (The one I use it the Logitech G5 laser), but I used it with my old Logitech optical - same problem. As long as I move the cursor off screen all is ok.
I'm using a G-9 Laser. IMHO, the very slight FR drop is nowhere near serious enough to warrant the term "issue" (remember when we used to actually say {gasp!!} problem?), but rather just a slight oddity.shivers9--I'd be curious to find out what happens if you turn down those scenery, effects, etc settings and try the Duke at its' higher settings. Maybe you can rob Peter to pay Paul.

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Bert, you still own that old Tee-shirt?
Hi Dan, do you mean my favorite aviation golf shirt?I wear it proudly about 9 months a year :(

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I'm using a G-9 Laser. IMHO, the very slight FR drop is nowhere near serious enough to warrant the term "issue" (remember when we used to actually say {gasp!!} problem?), but rather just a slight oddity.shivers9--I'd be curious to find out what happens if you turn down those scenery, effects, etc settings and try the Duke at its' higher settings. Maybe you can rob Peter to pay Paul.
Scenery Complexity: Very Dense AutoGen is at Dense...Turned the REX Textures back up to medium settings and it is locked at 20 smooth flying with overcast and over water and trees around KPNS. The setting for Autogen just moved up one notch makes the FPS jump all over the place and get the jerks big time. The other settings seem to not cause problems when kicked up a notch. I think from what I am seeing...at least in my case it was the one setting causing the poblem. I just never hit the right combo in testing before.

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Scenery Complexity: Very Dense AutoGen is at Dense...Turned the REX Textures back up to medium settings and it is locked at 20 smooth flying with overcast and over water and trees around KPNS. The setting for Autogen just moved up one notch makes the FPS jump all over the place and get the jerks big time. The other settings seem to not cause problems when kicked up a notch. I think from what I am seeing...at least in my case it was the one setting causing the poblem. I just never hit the right combo in testing before.
Hi Shivers9, I'd try going back to dense on the scenery complexity and leave the autogen at dense. Still think you can get a few more appearance points for the Duke itself that way. But if you're happy, I'm happy.Bert: Wicked cool.

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I should add that I am using Rex textures and ASA networked for weather and have even tured down the textures in Rex to very lowest settings with no improvement. I run the normal add ons like Gex, UTX ect.
After market clouds are killlers, esp. if your settings are for dense coverage. I have issues with all my planes in the clag.

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I JUST STARTED flying duke, and the biggest fsx tweak i have done in while is to limit trees to 500 in fsx.cfg.This did wonders to flight from norway to sweden over dense forest.FSX trees are major fps hugg, infact i suggesta ll should manually limit fsx trees in the cfg file.with trees autogen at dense i was getting major stutters over forestwith 500 limit set on trees all was pretty much smoother sailing.many dont know that trees cuase them problem cause they dont notice they flying over forest.before blaming fps loss on anything try same plane but diffrerent flight, africa is always a good place to tests stuff out in fsx, cause no big cities and no huge forests, best fsx performance is in afirca, and remote areas generally.put a cap on those trees

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I also have the same issue with frame drops of 5fps with cursor in frame and fsx. Only noticed this today. I go from 25fps parked at the gates to 19-20 when i more my cursor into the frame (from my second monitor). Strange...

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Is it possible to disable clickspots on the panel? I recently bought TrackIR, and the clickspots make life really hard sometimes. :(

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