Yes, you're right Nick... he bought it, paid for it, his choice... we should cut him some slackIt would be a real shame if guys like yourself weren't to answer these calls, as I have learned a lot about the operations of the JS41 from you, thanks for your input!"I've since come to realize that I don't need to be an ***hole just because he flies differently than I do. While I may not understand his motives for buying an ultra-realistic addon, it's really none of my business..."Wise words indeed...Please see this post as an apology to Chris, should my post have appeared arrogant or condescending... a question was asked, we tried to help...Andrew

Thank you, Nick.....and yes, you can call me Chris :(As for purchasing an ultra realistic addon when I don't have any intention of flying the plane "by the book", it is important to remember what "ultra realism" does include that would make it attractive to me....Firstly, the VC is one of the best that I have ever seen. Graphics are very important to me, and since the VC is what I will be looking at most of the time, I want it to look good! Similarly, a nicely detailed 3D model is also important. Whilst I remain firmly inside the cockpit during my flights, I like to switch to the external viewpoint before take off, and also during roll out after landing.Of course, the most important aspect of a simulated aircraft is the flight model....and this is the MAIN reason why I paid good money for the Jetstream 4100. I had no idea what this would be like when I purchased the product, but I decided to take a chance. This was partly due to PMDG's excellent reputation in the flightsim world, and also because the Jetstream 4100 is the one turboprop aircraft that I have always wanted in a flight simulator. The fact that PMDG decided to create a super detailed one was a massive bonus for me.Some people question why I want a super accurate representation of any plane, but you have to understand that there are different "levels" of simulation. You guys want to simulate procedures to a high level of accuracy, and that is perfectly fine. However, I want the "feel" of the plane to be simulated super accurately. Based on the fact that PMDG are renowned for the quality of their products, I determined that it would be unthinkable that this plane would have a lousy flight model :( Thankfully, I was correct. This plane is an absolute joy to hand fly.Think of my method of flying as a test of the flight envelope outside the normal operating limits. I am sure that this is done by test pilots when aircraft are flown for the first time, so why should it be a problem if I do it? Most MSFS planes of the past (those up to and including FS2002) have been rather disappointing in the "low speed flight characteristics" department. That's one of the reasons why I stuck with Flight Unlimited III for so long. The Beechjet 400A was an excellent plane to fly in FU3, and I am happy to say that the PMDG Jetstream 4100 (and the Flight1 Cessna Citation Mustang for that matter) are worthy successors.It's worth noting that the reason why I like to fly "low and slow" is basically due to the limited size of the high resolution scenery regions in Flight Unlimited III. I determined that, if I could keep my airspeed as low as possible, then the scenery area would appear to be larger! You might wonder why I didn't simply use a Cessna 172 instead, but that would be missing the point. I wanted to fly something a bit more impressive! In addition, the thrust reversers were awesome :(I hope that (like Neil) you can all accept my reasons for purchasing the Jetstream 4100, and why I like to fly it in such an unorthodox manner. I get a tremendous amount of enjoyment flying this superb aircraft, and I expect to continue doing so for a long time.

Sorry, I don't get it. Andrew and Nick have both asked that you be given some slack for doing it your way, and since I respect them both, I am inclined to do just that. But then I read your original post and subsequent remarks again. Question - Why do I have a red light on take off? Answer - because you are not doing it right. Comment - why should I do it right, I am special. Fine, but if you are special and want to do things your own way, why waste everybodies time asking why you aren't getting the results you expect? I mean, you fly slow because of a restriction in some other product that no longer exists? What sense does that make? You like accuracy of the 'feel' of the plane? So why fly it in a way the ensures it does not 'feel' accurate? A take off at 110 knots with flaps 25 is going to feel vague and wooly as you barely have enough airspeed for the flight controls to function and you are dangerously near stall buffet. That may be the way the real plane feels in those conditions, but who can be sure? No real world pilot is going to do that to find out. Even the test pilots would not try those conditions because they are outside design ranges. The real JS41 feels sharp and responsive when it takes off but then has to work hard to make altitude and the simulation captures that well, but you do not seem interested in experiancing that. Why bother asking about the red light?

A very strange reaction to a simple question of curiosity, Paul. I only asked about the red warning light to see if I could do something to switch it off. If not, then so be it (like I have already stated). I wasn't moaning about it. I didn't fly around the room in apoplectic rage because I wasn't "getting my way"! As for taking off at 115 knots with flaps set to 25 degrees, there is nothing "woolly" about it at all. It is as stable and flyable as I would expect the real aircraft to be in that position.....because I am not forcing the aircraft to do something that it doesn't want to do. If it climbs steadily after reaching 145 knots @ 70% torque without having to touch the joystick, surely that indicates it is in a stable configuration? Assuming, of course, that the flight model has been "programmed" correctly :(Sorry, Paul, but I really don't understand your annoyance :(Christopher Low

... Sorry, Paul, but I really don't understand your annoyance :(

It depends how you read this thread. I have read it in it's entirety twice and see it in all lights (opinions) and agree with you and also at the same time, can completely see where Paul is coming from. Again, it's how it can be taking and how it can read. Personally I sit on the side of doing things realistically in a sim but can care less if someone wants to do it their own way, even if it isn't resonable, just as long as they aren't expecting the systems to not react the way someone would want outside of the realistic way they have, thus giving the "red light".To each their own. I think the topic may catch slight heat temps due to most people asking how to make things more realistic around here then the opposite haha.Enjoy your new bird. I hope you someday look into just how detailed she is. Of course you would have to learn the systems more and the checklists but do it in time and it will only add to your impression of this sweet AC.

Thanks for the input, Dan.I get so much enjoyment out of flying "low and slow", that the motivation to learn how to fly the plane "by the book" isn't there at the moment. To be honest, I don't really like flying any higher than about 5000 feet. I prefer to enjoy the scenery, and you can't really do that at high altitude (I have the VFR Generation X Version 2 photographic scenery of England and Wales installed).

Comment - why should I do it right, I am special.

That comment hurt....a lot. I really wasn't moaning about the red warning light, so where did Paul get the idea that I think of myself as "special"? :(Christopher Low

Hi Christopher, I think again it has to do with how the thread starts to read. I'm sure Paul didn't mean it the way it sounds but can see how the topic may read a bit frustrating especially since he does offer some good advice in this thread.As for low and slow. It's funny because I too like to take in all of my addons and can't really see them at altitude like you say. I have about 80 gig worth of just ground scenery and spend the majority of my time well above the couds hehe. I was a very late bloomer in the "Realistic" way of doing things, and think a few of my techniques still are a bit outside the box. I still can't get over how detailed some things are and would never have seen just how detailed if I hadn't learned and read the manuals (still a work in progress ;-)I just got FTX NW yesterday and flew my first flight from KLAS to CYVR to check it out. I was at FL350 when I entered the coverage area. WOW, first of all I couldn't believe the detail at alt, but also was surprised at how I took a -40 fps hit hehe, ouch.I love to fly my single props and take in all the scenery though other than flying my higher cruiz flights, it gives me my fix :)I look forward to a day when sims have a larger detailed draw area and computers can handle such a workload, but there isn't a day or flight that I don't get the little boy feeling of "Wow, this is sooo cool" thoughts running through my head from both the fine models, realistic and detailed aircraft and superb addon sceneries :(

Just a quick note to apologise to admin about not signing some of my posts in this thread. I have just tried to correct that, but presumably I am only allowed to do it to posts that are less than 24 hours old?

Just a quick note to apologise to admin about not signing some of my posts in this thread. I have just tried to correct that, but presumably I am only allowed to do it to posts that are less than 24 hours old?Christopher Low

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.... I only asked about the red warning light to see if I could do something to switch it off....Sorry, Paul, but I really don't understand your annoyance :(Christopher Low

I do not think I can explain my annoyance in a manner you will understand, other then to say that when it was suggested that your problem could be solved by following standard procedures, you informed us that you do not follow standard procedures.

So you think that my comment about starting from the runway threshold and not looking at any checklists was intended as a sort of "I couldn't care less what you guys think" kind of response? If so, then you misunderstood it. Nothing could be further from the truth.Anyway, I can see that you and I are not on the same wavelength, so I will leave it at that.

Chris, you can fly how you want but don't come into the forum complaining the the red light is on if you are not flying it the way it was meant to be. Sometimes I fly my md-11 without programming it or anything and just takeoff after adjusting trim a little and I do get an error but I just ignore it. Its fine to fly the way you want but just don't expect a nice response if you are not flying it by the book.Just a side note, I don't think there is any plane that you takeoff with full flaps.

Chris, you can fly how you want but don't come into the forum complaining the the red light is on if you are not flying it the way it was meant to be

Where in my original post does it seem like I am "complaining" about the red light? This is the part that I don't understand. I was simply asking a question. The responses that I received probably indicate that it is either the trim not being in the "normal" position for take off, or else it is the flaps being set to 25 degrees.I am happy with that. I can live with the red light. What I am struggling to accept is the strange reaction to my original question. I really can't see how anyone could read my original post, and assume that I was annoyed :(

Just a side note, I don't think there is any plane that you takeoff with full flaps.

Now that I know it isn't normal to take off with full flaps, I will experiment a bit :(

... Where in my original post does it seem like I am "complaining" about the red light? This is the part that I don't understand..... What I am struggling to accept is the strange reaction to my original question. .....I really can't see how anyone could read my original post, and assume that I was annoyed :(

Chris, please see my two posts again. As I mentioned, it was the way the thread took shape that may read what people are referring to and has very little to do with your opening question. Like I already mentioned (3 times now), the thread does in fact read or could be read the way some people have indeed read it. To be blunt, but just to clear up your confusion here, you asked for help, got the correct answers, then basically said you weren't going to comply with the advice people took the time to give. I see where you're coming from, but as I said the thread can be read and therefore interpretted other ways.