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PMDG 737NG - FS2004 Compatibility

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Thinking about picking up a copy of this. I've heard nothing but good things about this product. How well does it work FS2004? How is the performance compared to comparable products like the PSS A320, PIC, or DF737?Thanks for any info.

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It's pretty heavy on the frames, but none of the products you've listed there are FS9-compatible, so I can't give you a comparison. In 2K2, the PMDG is heavier than all of those in terms of frames.The plane works in FS9, and as mentioned above there are still some issues to be worked out. PMDG seems to be working to correct those. Be advised: don't expect a fully-clickable VC. The MCP is clickable, but that's about it. I was disappointed with that. I think if you're gonna have a clickable VC, at least the MCP, lights, ignition switches, and pax signs should be clickable so that you don't have to switch to the 2D on takeoff and landing.Lots more information on what works and what doesn't over in the PMDG forum...Greghttp://members.rogers.com/gmoffatt/images/ERJ_CRT.jpg

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Hmmm. That's too bad about performance. The Cessna 310 and the Archer from Dreamfleet put a pretty significant drain on FS2K4. Sounds like the NG would bring my system to the ground (and I thought I had a pretty good system *lol*).Their registration policy makes me just a tad leery. I do sympathize with developers in dealing with the problems of piracy. At the same time, my experience has been that aggressive copy protection merely annoys legitimate owners of software. A pirate determined to crack software, will. At best, copy protection provides the would-be pirate with a little "kick" or "thrill" in the challenge of it. Oh well - I've been on this soapbox too many times to count ;-)P4 2.4 Ghz512MB RAMGeForce4 Ti4400 (@300/650) - nVidia 45.23 WHQLDirectX 9.0bWindowsXP Professional

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Unless you have tons of horsepower forget it. My system averages 16-20 FPS with lots of weather and the Freeware Globetwotter Otter and other nicely detailed Freeware aircraft. I had the PMDG B737 in FS2002 and it performs well there...but in COF the average frames come down to 9-10 with lots of weather. I have done all of the tweaking recommended by the wonderful folks at PMDG but it will be another year or so before I upgrade to the required horsepower. My current rig scores 12000 in 3dmark 2001 se, which is good enough for all my other interests plus FS2002. Such is life and I will not be adding any complex payware aircraft to COF. My decision my $$$. Other than that the B737 is beautiful and PMDG almost have all the bugs worked out of it...!Tony

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I have the PMDG 737 running on my rig with a P4 1.7ghz, GF4 4200/64 , with the new nVidia drivers 4523, with 512mb of RAM, under FS2004. I have my frames locked at 10 and that is just what I am getting with perfect smoothness. The PMDG 737NG is far more than just another panel, it has superior function to the PIC767, to give a comparison when all the remaining bugs are worked out.Right now I can't say enough good things about the aircraft and mostly the PMDG team, they are just GREAT. Right on top of customer service and support.As far as their registration process, please I hope anyone has more to do than complain, their code and they should protect it. The process is a no brainer to get done. PSS has almost the same process.Again, it does not take a super computer to run the PMDG 737. There is just too much focus on frames by folks. The real item any of us should be looking at is, does it run smooth, no screen show. My system is not state of the art any more, but runs the sim very well. I won't upgrade until Intel doubles my ghz to over 3.5 which might be late this fall or winter.In the mean time, I am one happy camper with FS9 and the PMDG 737NG. By the way the bugs that are still remaining are not show stoppers.My Two CentsBob JohnsonKDEN

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I have a very similar configuration to yours, and the 737NG runs just fine on my system... really well done plane IMHO and they are still adding functionality.. run the tutorial flight and you'll be hooked!What is very nice, is that the plane flies very well by hand, as well as via FMC and autopilot.. P2 2.4, 512 Meg, ti4200 30.82, DirectX9b, WinXp Pro.

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Turns my P4 2.4G 768DDR PC2700 & Radeon 9800 Pro into a nice slide show. If you like slide shows go for it ;-)

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>I have my frames locked at 10 and that is just>what I am getting with perfect smoothness. "Perfect smoothness" with frames locked at 10?LOL

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I must agree. I get considerable stutter on the A/C. (Only this AC)They are working with me on trying to get my system to run it better. So far we are at, install it again.The one thing I want to caution. If you buy it, you own it. It is a $40 add-on plane. If it runs great on your machine, it is probably worth it. If not, you own it.My Specs:AMD Athlon 2700+Epox 8RDA+ motherboard512 PC3200 high performance RAM - dual channelRadeon 9700 Pro Audigy GamerWinXPFS2004Dave

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I've owned the PMDG 737NG since the day it was released. Upon initial release, it had some pretty major "glitches" which the PMDG team was very forthcoming in admitting. Since that time they have really busted their rear ends to get it up to the standards that they had with their Fly! products. There patch has resolved most of the major issues and it is a joy to fly in FS9. My frame rates are locked at 21FPS and they stay there with any plane at any location. My sliders are all maxed out with the exception of autogen scenery which I have at very dense because I don't like the look of so much "stuff" at the highest setting.I do have a very high end machine but it really flys great.George Stoddard

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same here when I'm offline. Get online and it's back to 10 frames or less, till I get to FL200 and above then i get 15 to 25.

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dooh,I am running online with FSMeteo and also have MyTraffic 2004 installed. Still runs great. George Stoddard

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Mine is running fine too in FS2004. Spot View gives me 25FPS (locked), but in any panel (2D or VC) FPS drops to around 15FPS. But then again, the update rate of the flight displays is excellent. No jerky changes, but smooth as in real life. I had never seen such a smoothness in any panel yet. Even if FPS is at 15, the plane still flies smooth and landing is no problem. I do use online actual weather.IF your system has the power, I would definately go and buy the PMDG 737!My specs:AMD XP2600+@333, Asus A7NX8 DeLuxe, 512MB PC2100, Radeon 9500 Pro.etc. etc.

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Runs fine and smooth on FS2004 frames locked at 22 fps, after the patch most majors solved still a few left....Most of the time 22 fps :-) and no stutters.You can even tune the frame rate update of the MFD displays like PSS A320 also the update of the MFD displays of the VC.You can choose only 2D panel or 2D/VC or 2D/VC/Virtual CabinI fly the 2D/VC config :-)FS2002 is history for me only for a few paints... XP2600+ (Barton) / 1 gb ddr 2.5 crucial / Asus G4TI4200 128 mb fast memory 3ns / Win2K Pro SP3/ etc.... For more info go to the PMDG forum here at AVSIM...http://forums.avsim.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=136Succes with your choice...Andr

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I wouldn't buy it - yet. It still has quite a few problems 1.5 months after initial release. Mine is staying in its virtual hanger for now. I guess it all depends on expectations. I don't believe in compromise for the sake of bugs though. It does have some plus points - it hand flies pretty well.Like most other products these days, it has bugs, many of them. We'll give the designers time to fix them though - we have no choice. Read the PMDG forum and digest the many 'sticky' posts on the front page.All in all I won't buy another product such as this for at least 6 months after initial release. Hopefully then it will be somewhere near complete.

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This is a superb product and runs very smoothly in FS2004 providing you have a reasonably 'high-end' machine.PMDG's support is second-to-none and Robert and his team are working very hard to further enhance the product and iron out the few remaining glitches, none of which are bad enough to keep the plane grounded.IMO, very well worth every penny!Toni.

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I don't think you realize, FPS is how many images the eye sees per second. Locking your frame rate to a higher number only makes the PC paint more often. There are other things that will then suffer in the sim, like ground texture updates.You make think it funny drool, but I have smooth flights with the PMDG lOCKED at 10. :-)NO LOL here when the 737 turnes with no stutters out the 2D panel.Bob

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Hi,for my opinion you should wait.they have nice plane / panel but lots of AUTOPILOT prolems,they are confusing in the support.they must have a bug since i see to many suggestion from them.

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You might want to pop into the PMDG forum here and ask people who actually have and use the aircraft daily instead of a bunch of folks who don't for some speculation as the above poster is doing.You will also note that not only do they offer fantastic support, they also have some inroads with Microsoft since they have managed to not only make a FS9 aircraft, but also fixed issues with the non-FS9 USA version (Microsoft shipped a different version to the folks overseas then we got). Shortly the final patch for the -6/7 will be out then they will be starting work on the -8/9 advanced toys.I have a AMD 1.4 & GF3 w/512Mb ram and can deal with 1280x960 resolution and get framerates that make me able to hand fly landings in weather with all sliders Med-High or better (I like my clouds).All autopilot modes work nicely, contrary to the above poster. There are some issues with contraints in the flight plans causing the Vnav mode some grief, but this is due to a lot of misunderstanding between the differences between the Honeywell and Smiths way of running a bird for the most part.

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HiPMDG are excellent with support and development. the post no 18 is misleading and out of touch.You would be very happy with this aircraft.Bob

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Great plane, great support. The plane flies very well and the Autopilot/FMC systems work fine. You have to follow the proper procedures but this plane will split the centerline on a full autoland and follows flight plans to the "T", IF, the proper procedures are followed.George Stoddard

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I'm driving a 2.6 with a Radeon 9700 and getting very acceptable performance with this airplane and I use the VC most of the time. If there is a lot of weather on take-off or climb out, I'll switch over to 2D views until at altitude. The lack of fully clickable VC is a bit annoying - especially since if you put anything onto a second monitor in full screen mode, the VC gauges don't update. But all in all, a good package that will only get better as PMDG works out the bugs. I'm pretty sure your system will be just fine.

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I'm driving a 2.6 with a Radeon 9700 and getting very acceptable performance with this airplane and I use the VC most of the time. If there is a lot of weather on take-off or climb out, I'll switch over to 2D views until at altitude. The lack of fully clickable VC is a bit annoying - especially since if you put anything onto a second monitor in full screen mode, the VC gauges don't update. But all in all, a good package that will only get better as PMDG works out the bugs. I'm pretty sure your system will be just fine.

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I saw this post very late in the game....not even close to PIC767. Do not get me wrong I love both products...PIC767 is something very special indeed even after being out for many moons.Tony

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