I think it's an admission of sorts that they are losing the GPU race to ATI, the facts speak for themselfs. Companies exist to make money and if they were the leader in sales they sure would not sweep aside their video card development. We seen the same thing with 3DFX although Nvidia were smart enough to branch out from the video card market. I could care less about Nvidia, what matters are the players who drive the competition and provide us with faster, cheaper cards for our simulator ;)[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

>>:-eek Holy cow! >>http://www.legionhardware.com/html/doc.php?id=261&p=3>>Comments? I've never been an Nvidia fan but I don't think>>this is good for consumers. I just hope ATI doesn't sit on>>their laurels now :( >>>>-Max Cowgill>>Wow Max,>>Your "Nvidia getting out..." Post really is quite twisted and>is on about the same level as the National iquirer three>headed alian type of trash at your favorite gociery. >>"I've never been an Nvidia fan">>A fan?>>My favorite Clipping and cutoff transistor is UMC! They come>in bright Brown! :-lol>Paul, do you really love Nvidia so much that you need to resort to name-calling and petty remarks? Really now, calling me a drama queen? You can believe whatever you wish to about your beloved Nvidia, but the facts speak for themselves. It's just a matter of time before Nvidia is no longer making high-end graphics chips or are out of the GPU business altogether. Look at all the OEM and AIB wins ATI has scored lately while Nvidia is losing partners daily. Don't start in with that "a really excited user" crap either. I don't own an ATI card and I haven't owned one for over 2 years now. Over the course of the last 5 years I've owned 5 Nvidia cards, 1 3dfx card, and 1 ATI card. Nvidia has made very good GPUs up until this point and I bought them almost exclusively due to their great price/performance ratio and their cutting-edge features. Let the flames resume!-Max Cowgill

Queen,>Paul, do you really love Nvidia so much that you need to>resort to name-calling and petty remarks? Really now, calling>me a drama queen? You can believe whatever you wish to about>your beloved Nvidia, but the facts speak for themselves. I love no hardware Queeny, PCBs, bits of Silicon or even perhaps Germanium, Sorry no "love" there."but the facts speak for themselves."Yes you are a drama queen. >It's>just a matter of time before Nvidia is no longer making>high-end graphics chips or are out of the GPU business>altogether. LOL!Look at all the OEM and AIB wins ATI has scored>lately while Nvidia is losing partners daily.True, and they just lost Asus as well, but the rolls have been reversed for so long (years) but that did not put ATI out of business nor force them to stop producing GPUs, Nvidia's diversity is there saving strength that will allow them to re-tool and get back in the game very quickly >if:)

I did not read that in the article. The only thing I read was as follows:"The NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun made it quite clear that the graphics industry would no longer be the primary focus point of the company. They then continued to demonstrate a wide range of new multimedia products."The seem to be expanding their efforts in other areas.....NOT getting out of the graphics business the way I read it.C. Evans

I agree with Edam. Typical example of disinformation - which is going on this forum quite often. I don't understand why people find it pleasurable to engege in this sort of childish behavior.Michael J.http://www.reality-xp.com/community/nr/rsc/rxp-higher.jpg

We've seen this before. 3dfx said the exact same thing. Six months later they were gone. Time will tell. Nvidia was a strong company. All depends on how strong they are today. They've said they're out of the high end graphics card race. Interpret that however you wish. I know if I owned any Nvidia stock, I'd be dumping it. Nvidia is reported to be having problems with their new nforce3 motherboards too. My question is "with all the card manufacturers making ATI and XGI cards and now the S3 cards, who's left to make Nvidia cards? Nvidia's policy is and has always been, you make our cards and noone else's cards or you'll pay the price. They need to change that policy and do it in a hurry. They also need to make sure the NV40 is a big hit. This Nvidia CEO announcement makes me wonder about the NV40 status. MSI just took an order for half a million ATI cards. Asus went ATI. Hercules is ATI. Same with most of the other manufacturers. What's going on with Nvidia?? Good question!!

>Queen,>>>Paul, do you really love Nvidia so much that you need to>>resort to name-calling and petty remarks? Really now,>calling>>me a drama queen? You can believe whatever you wish to>about>>your beloved Nvidia, but the facts speak for themselves. >>I love no hardware Queeny, PCBs, bits of Silicon or even>perhaps Germanium, Sorry no "love" there.>>"but the facts speak for themselves.">>Yes you are a drama queen.> >>It's>>just a matter of time before Nvidia is no longer making>>high-end graphics chips or are out of the GPU business>>altogether. >>LOL!>>Look at all the OEM and AIB wins ATI has scored>>lately while Nvidia is losing partners daily.>>True, and they just lost Asus as well, but the rolls have been>reversed for so long (years) but that did not put ATI out of>business nor force them to stop producing GPUs, Nvidia's>diversity is there saving strength that will allow them to>re-tool and get back in the game very quickly >if< they get>there butts in gear, but to say that they "will no longer make>GPUs is just ludicrous and very queenly of you. :)> Oh no Paul, you got me there! :-roll Your example comparing ATI's situation of a few years ago to Nvidia's current situation is inaccurate. Back then ATI made all of their graphics cards themselves so they had no AIB contracts to lose when Nvidia started taking their market share. OEMs have changed as well. They usually offer some sort of integrated graphics (Intel) on their low-end models while offering both ATI and Nvidia, or one of the two. Back in the day the only graphics chip you were getting from an OEM was Intel or ATI (with a virtually isignificant amount of S3, Matrox, and even 3dfx).Believe what you will, your opinion doesn't change the facts. Nvidia is losing market share, ATI is gaining market share. Nvidia's last two product generations have been a flop. If it weren't for the under-performing GFFX 5200 Nvidia would be bankrupt right now. The Nvidia CEO himself said graphics would no longer be their primary focus. This is not the statement of a company that plans to make performance-competitive graphics chips. You can go on living in your fairy-tale world where Nvidia is still the number 1 graphics company in the world but one day you're going to wake up and realize that it was all just a dream.-Max Cowgill

OH MY: here we go again. Sell, sell, sell, for sure sell!http://www20.tomshardware.com/business/200...putex_1-06.html

I work for a large USA-based corporation. The behemoth announces all the time that it is "shifting its focus", "redirecting its efforts", and "changing to reflect a changed customer base" and yada yada yada.I have not seen, in all my years with them, a single deletion in product line. I have seen many additions.I know that the marketing strategists are constantly "playing poker" with the competition (oh yes, they resort to this behavior quite often). They often try to "sucker" the competitors into relaxing a bit.Don't pick on Max too badly. It takes some experience with corporations (or, you could play more poker, Max) to take their corporate statements to the "public" with a "grain of salt".Anyway, the sky is not falling. We were flight-simming happily before NVidia came onto the scene.

Quite the contrary, I have worked for and with several "large corporations" (isn't this a bit redundant?) in my working career. My father is an exec with a car company and has worked for almost every major car company that sells in the U.S. over the last 15-20 years. I know how corporations work. The statement Nvidia just made would be equivalent to GM announcing their primary focus would no longer be automobiles. I don't see what is so hard to understand about this statement. Nvidia is known for making GPUs, and up until the release of the Nforce chipset this was the ONLY product they made. If a company says that the product which they are known for (and founded upon building) will no longer be their primary focus then they better have a backup plan because they're in for a world of hurt if they don't. Call me an idiot, drama queen, and say I don't know what I'm talking about - whatever allows you to go to sleep at night. -Max Cowgill

>Quite the contrary, I have worked for and with several "large>corporations" (isn't this a bit redundant?) in my working>career. My father is an exec with a car company and has>worked for almost every major car company that sells in the>U.S. over the last 15-20 years. I know how corporations work.> The statement Nvidia just made would be equivalent to GM>announcing their primary focus would no longer be automobiles.Market share decreases and recent GPU performance asideGM's focus has indeed not been limited to just Autos just as Chrysler has been heavily involved in Marine, aerospace, Military equipment, as well as many other technologies has never meant that they would stop being major players in the auto industry, less competitive? Perhaps, and that might have been a more appropriet subject line to use rather than "NV getting out" etc.. Drawing the concussion that Nvidia's expanding into other markets will result in being much less of a player in the GPU market or all together getting out of graphic business is not a very intelligent conclusion to make from Haung's words as he just introduced several new technologies to market, as well as showed the NV36/38(NV40 was also seen but not "shown"). As far as GPUs go, PCI express is were NV as well as ATI are focusing and will be the next "step" so sit tight and wait for lower prices.

Paul, the point of my GM example was to show that if GM were to stop focusing on their primary product (cars/trucks) they would for all intents and purposes be giving up on that market segment - there's too much competition for them to succeed if they don't give it their all. The same applies to Nvidia. My title may be misleading if you take it in the present tense, but the word "getting" can mean both present and future tense so it's all in your perception of the phrase.-Max Cowgill

Max,did you honestly read my post?

Never thought two guys could be so inmature and childish.Specially the Drama Quen "namer".... NVidia lover guy.Sorry but not used to grown ups behaving like kids.Edmundo

>Max,>did you honestly read my post?No, I can't read... DERP!!! ;)-Max Cowgill