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non-pilot question

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On Youtube there is a video of a father letting his 6 year old at the controls of a Beaver DHC2 flying up in Alaska (He say's for most of the flight!)! I know it's ok for a Non-pilot to be at the controls of an aircraft, provided another licensed pilot is in a position to take the controls if needed. The thing is this Beaver only had a single Yoke, that could be moved between the pilot, and co-pilot seat. The kid was in the co-pilot seat with the yoke. So my question is, does this satisfy the FAA requirement, since he doesn't have dual control?BTW, it looked like the kid was doing pretty good at it!

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Tom

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In most countries that's not technically illegal, since you can be the PIC from any seat in the aircraft (at least in theory), although it's certainly inadvisable, since you have a number of responsibilities when you are the PIC. If you careened into a bunch of people and killed someone because you could not reach the controls to solve a problem, you'd then have a hard time claiming that you actually were the PIC at an investigation.So being filmed doing it is not smart, as you could risk the wrath of the authorities if they were in the mood to take your license off you, since it would be fairly easy to put the case forward that you were not in full command of the aircraft, and if that was proven, you'd be waving bye bye to your licence.Like a lot of things in aviation, it depends on the mood and if the press get hold of the story. for example, the controllers at an airport that were letting a kid perform ATC were still in control and no real harm was done, but the media jumped on it and the FAA had to be seen to be doing something, so those controllers paid the price for taking a chance on doing it.Most famously, an Aeroflot Airbus crashed and killed everyone on board some years ago after the Captain let his son 'move the controls a bit' whilst sat in the pilot seat. Unfortunately, when he did 'move the controls a bit', that disengaged the autopilot, and the crew failed to notice until it was too late. When the aircraft went out of control, the crew could not reach the controls and...kaboom.Al

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Hello!Well, here's the video of it:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIMfW_-iOq4If you watch the video he's definitely got control of the aircraft, and it's alive.1900'ALT, 200-400fps climb, 95.6kts on the GPS, coordinated flight (sort of), cruiseflaps and 30/20 on the power curve... pretty standard for a Dash 2!If it's 'legal' or not... I'll let the RW pilots decide that one. If he has 500 hoursin his 'logbook', that's quite a bit of flying! :( Cheers!Alan :)

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There was a program on UK tv recently (aircrash investigation), a pilot invited his young son and daughter in to the cockpit of a large passenger aircraft. The son sat in the left seat and inadvertently disconnected part of the autopilot, this went unoticed by the crew. The final outcome was that the plane was lost along with all on board.

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On Youtube there is a video of a father letting his 6 year old at the controls of a Beaver DHC2 flying up in Alaska (He say's for most of the flight!)! I know it's ok for a Non-pilot to be at the controls of an aircraft, provided another licensed pilot is in a position to take the controls if needed. The thing is this Beaver only had a single Yoke, that could be moved between the pilot, and co-pilot seat. The kid was in the co-pilot seat with the yoke. So my question is, does this satisfy the FAA requirement, since he doesn't have dual control?BTW, it looked like the kid was doing pretty good at it!
Throw over yokes use to be quite common in GA aircraft in the 40's through 60's. You still find a bunch of Bonanza's and Beaver's currently operating with a throw over yokes to maximize comfort for the right seat pax. In the video's case the 6 y/o cannot be receiving dual since single (throw over) yoke primary instruction is forbidden (91.109). Certain programs such as BPPP allows dual in throw overs for addons and initial training. Under non-instructional flights part 91 doesn't require dual controls. But the flight is not legal since it violates 91.105(a)(1) and 91.13(a). Not having a yoke at your station when you are the sole required crew member busts 91.105(a)(1) and hazardous and reckless operation busts 91.13(a).Overall the pilot should be dinged for the infraction but won't since it is Alaska.

Pretty much made a mess of Part 91. Hope he isn't caught with that video floating around.

Pretty much made a mess of Part 91. Hope he isn't caught with that video floating around.
Like on youtube? :(
There was a program on UK tv recently (aircrash investigation), a pilot invited his young son and daughter in to the cockpit of a large passenger aircraft.
is this this incident -http://aviation-safe...p?id=19940323-0happened a long time ago, 16 years, and things in the world of flight cockpit safety, in passenger jets, have changed 'just a bit'.--

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Pretty much made a mess of Part 91. Hope he isn't caught with that video floating around.
Especially since in this case it would be easy for the FAA to track him down. Since he used his business name which he apparently owns as his youtube account name. It's an Air Charter service, with flight seeing tours. So posting this could be an expensive mistake, if the FAA did take action against him after watching this. On the one hand I hope that don't happen, because that kid is kind of cute behind the yoke, and what father wouldn't be proud of his son, being able to control an aircraft well. He is though compromising safety to do it though, without being able to take positive control, so maybe it might be better if the FAA would stop it now, before something bad did happen.

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Tom

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