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Hello,One of my current sticks (listed below) went kaput. I am looking for a new triple channel kit. Right now, only one CL6 kit is listed on Newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231352Is anyone using this stuff? I have never bought G.Skill memory.Back when I put this system together, the consensus was 1600 at CL6 was faster than 1800 at CL7.I saw the Corsair Dominator that is 2000 at CL8: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145318 It has a fan or something with it and I am not sure if I have room for that. Also, since the stock voltage is 1.65, I am not sure if I'll be able to keep my CPU at 4 GIG.Any suggestions?

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How's FSX performing on 4GB compared to 6GB?

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These are the best for the money http://www.superbiiz...200UB2G7&show=p that's the one I have and they rock, don't know if they still available, you can ask here http://www.supertale...hp?reg=N&mtid=5The G.Skill are good, I used this company for my old DDR2 memory 1200MHz 5-5-5-15. 6-8-6 at 2000MHz is good, better if the middle number was also a 6.What is the max MHz can your board take :Big Grin: these will rock also http://www.corsair.c...-gt/cmgtx4.html SPD latency 9-9-9-24 at 2533MHz $325.00 x 3 sticks..... now we are talking, seriously these are made for extreme overclocking but if you fell like Christmas is sooner than later....:Party: knock yourself out.

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Divide CAS by frequency, then compare, lowest number is the fastest. Bjorn

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Thanks for the info. My board can take up to 2000So, using that forumula, 1600 at 6 is faster than 2000 at 8.

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Marginally, yes. For stability's sake I'd concider the 2000 MHz and downclock them a bit according to whatever you clock your system to. But, if you're staying at current settings, as seen in your sig, the 1600s are probably the easiest and cheapest option.B

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Marginally, yes. For stability's sake I'd concider the 2000 MHz and downclock them a bit according to whatever you clock your system to. But, if you're staying at current settings, as seen in your sig, the 1600s are probably the easiest and cheapest option.B
+1, the 2000MHz will shine with an overclock at 4.3GHz 4.4GHz +.

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+1, the 2000MHz will shine with an overclock at 4.3GHz 4.4GHz +.
what do you base those ideas on? I mean seriously

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+1, the 2000MHz will shine with an overclock at 4.3GHz 4.4GHz +.
Yes, Alain, please do explain.One thing I know is that I recently tested 2133 CL9 on my board, in comparison to 1866 CL9, and could not see any difference in performance, only price. So far about "shining" on the high clock... And yes, those 5 are real.FSXMark11 didn't move other than usual 0.1 fps up or down.

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what do you base those ideas on? I mean seriously
Here is an old thread I started asking Nick advise when I went from the 775 socket to the 1366, read is second post carefully http://www.simforums.com/forums/nick-what-do-you-think_topic34241_page1.html it's a long thread but if you "wanna" read it all you'll see we had a lot of fun playing around with our rigs.

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Here is an old thread I started asking Nick advise when I went from the 775 socket to the 1366, read is second post carefully http://www.simforums...4241_page1.html it's a long thread but if you "wanna" read it all you'll see we had a lot of fun playing around with our rigs.
I respect Nick big time, but some of the things he says I just can't see them when I put them to the test. The memory subsystem hit in FSX is the main one: RAM speed, tripple channel, and now the extra 2MB of L3 cache in the 2600K vs the 2500K. Experience seems to prove things are not quite like that, so if I'm missing something I'd love to know what it is

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Yes, Alain, please do explain.One thing I know is that I recently tested 2133 CL9 on my board, in comparison to 1866 CL9, and could not see any difference in performance, only price. So far about "shining" on the high clock... And yes, those 5 are real.FSXMark11 didn't move other than usual 0.1 fps up or down.
Read the whole thread I posted above, remember we are talking about the X58 here and not the P67, DDR3 2000MHz with a low timing is what you want for a high overclock and the best result for FSX, this is nothing new as Nick wrote it here... http://www.simforums...topic29041.html

SAMPLES OF MEMORY SPEED/TIMING

Here is a list of MAX memory timing per speed a user should strive for.. lower than posted is better and there are memory product out there that run lower timing than posted.. they are typically expensive and that is what you pay for DDR2 800 4-4-4DDR2 1066 5-5-5DDR3 1333 6-6-6 (1st or 2nd Generation)DDR3 1600 7-7-7 (1st or 2nd Generation)DDR3 1800/1866 8-8-8 (1st or 2nd Generation)DDR3 2000 (and up) 9-9-9 (1st or 2nd Generation) That being said here are the values a user SHOULD look for in order to obtain highest FSX performance with respect to CPU/Memory communicationDDR2 800 3-3-3DDR2 1066 4-4-4DDR3 1333 5-5-5 (1st or 2nd Generation)DDR3 1600 6-6-6 (1st or 2nd Generation)DDR3 1800/1866 7-7-7 (1st or 2nd Generation) Note: 1800/1866 is really useless compared to 1600 with respect to the right memory timing. If a user wishes to run very high memory speed, opt for 2000 with tighter timing especially running i7. 1st generation DDR3 has issues with the northbridge running large amounts of memory (2x2GB or more). i7 D0 stepping processors and the x58 chipset do not have those issues but still typically requires a higher QPI/DRAM (over 1.37v) to accomplish which can be dangerous to the life of a processor. DDR3 2000 7-7-7 (1st or 2nd Generation) 8-8-8 can be used however 7-7-7 is FAR better. Edit: Having testing it with Nick I can definitly said that there is a difference with a faster memory with tighter timing, Nick and I went back and forth with numbers when testing our overclock and memory timing, here is what he said in one of his post in the above thread (and I tested it also and saw a difference) Originally posted by alainneedle1Any improvement in FSX at all? Nick's answer...uh huh fixed the really fine micro-stutters that come up for about 5-8 seconds over a AI jammed hub in one of my saved tests. since it was only one spot I saw it, I didnt put a lot into it. also, I found that it was better to remove my bufferpool entry completely. I was running 90MB, now none BP=0, all that other nonsense ran worse everything else is the same, TBM 120, wide screen enabled, disable preload, hide infotext, highmem but I remove that one if I am not using a big payware plane. The rest is all FSX default. I run 80AL/80GA UT2 Traffic with the jetways disabled and also make sure those pesky cars are disabled in the UTX interface. Otherwise 100% SC/AG

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Thanks for the advice.My main goal is to achieve the same performance that I had with my current memory when all sticks were fine. With 4GB, I am getting some stuttering. In fact, I didn't know I had a dead stick until after flying for a while and remembering a rare BSOD I had a few weeks ago. After watching the the rig boot, I realized only 2 sticks were recognized so I switched out the sticks to narrow down the culprit.When I originally built the system, I had some trouble getting the 4 gig oc to hold with the stock timings. Nick suggested bumping up the voltage slightly above stock; the oc has held solid for 18 months.I'm no expert with overclocking. I bought very common hardware at the time so the settings were pretty standard and Nick provided a ton of assistance. I'd really like to do something that is as close to plug and play as possible.Of course, I may update the VC but the board and cpu are here to stay for the time being.Just don't know why I can't find any CL6 1600 anymore. I think I am leaning towards the CL6 1600 G.Skill but I want to see what Microcenter has. They have a great return policy and they are right in town

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Thanks for the advice.My main goal is to achieve the same performance that I had with my current memory when all sticks were fine. With 4GB, I am getting some stuttering. In fact, I didn't know I had a dead stick until after flying for a while and remembering a rare BSOD I had a few weeks ago. After watching the the rig boot, I realized only 2 sticks were recognized so I switched out the sticks to narrow down the culprit.When I originally built the system, I had some trouble getting the 4 gig oc to hold with the stock timings. Nick suggested bumping up the voltage slightly above stock; the oc has held solid for 18 months.I'm no expert with overclocking. I bought very common hardware at the time so the settings were pretty standard and Nick provided a ton of assistance. I'd really like to do something that is as close to plug and play as possible.Of course, I may update the VC but the board and cpu are here to stay for the time being.Just don't know why I can't find any CL6 1600 anymore. I think I am leaning towards the CL6 1600 G.Skill but I want to see what Microcenter has. They have a great return policy and they are right in town
I looked everywhere for better timing and I think you should grab the G.Skill CL6, so far they are the fastest one, other company like Corsair and Mushkin had some with 6-6-6-21 but it's out of production ... http://www.amazon.co...6/dp/B003C4UEPW

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Hi. I am just an amature compared to you guys. I build my own rigs but with parts recommended by people more knowledgeable than me. I have been reading with interest your comments on timing and wonder if i have recieved some wrong advice. I have a Rampage iii extreme mobo. with a i7-950 and 6-gig G. Skill ram. DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 (F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ) The timing is 9-9-9-24. From what i have read here, i should be around 6-6-6 for the timing. Should i be rethinking my ram?Regards,

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Hi. I am just an amature compared to you guys. I build my own rigs but with parts recommended by people more knowledgeable than me. I have been reading with interest your comments on timing and wonder if i have recieved some wrong advice. I have a Rampage iii extreme mobo. with a i7-950 and 6-gig G. Skill ram. DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 (F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ) The timing is 9-9-9-24. From what i have read here, i should be around 6-6-6 for the timing. Should i be rethinking my ram?Regards,
I can't talk about the p67 platform since I've never built one but because I tested it on a x58 platform I can tell you that faster rams with a better timing = better perf.If you are satisfied with the one you have don't spend more money on Rams, if you are looking for better rams the G.Skill as showed above will be better for sure, if you can find some 1600MHz with all numbers at 6-6-6-21 grab them, will it be a lot better than the G.Skill 6-8-6- timing as showed in this thread? no but as you know every bit of perf. we can get out of our rigs for FSX will help.If all rams were the same we will be buying them from different manuf. with the same MHz and CL.Here is how I explain how rams work in a simple way for the X58 platform.DDR3 = highway with 3 lane = you can move more cars (data) on a highway with three lane compare to two lane. DDR2 = highway with 2 laneMHz = (MPH) speed limit on the highway so 2000MHz as a faster speed limit compare to 1600MHz CL = (Horse Power) how fast you will get from point A to point B, so you will reach your destination faster with CL6 compare to CL9One of the test I use to see how the rams perform (speed of calculation) is SuperPi, here is my score,test2.pngHope this help.PS: I am pretty sure the SB will beat my score with the same GHz on the CPU with DDR3 Rams at 2133MHz, can somebody using the SB be welling to test it and report back their result? The SB at 5.0GHz should beat my score hands down by at least 1 minute.

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LOL, you're going to be hard pressed to find results of SB + DDR2

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LOL, you're going to be hard pressed to find results of SB + DDR2
:Big Grin: Typo that was.....:Black Eye: it's fixed...

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ups, sorry, double post

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a 2-3% faster Straight%20Face.gif

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Thanks Alain for your reply and advice. The best i can find in my area is: G.SKILL F3-12800CL6T-6GBPI Pi Series 6GB 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL6-8-6-20 240PIN Triple Channel Memory Kit (F3-12800CL6T-6GBPI) How much better is this kit than the one i already have?
Hard to say, on paper they may be 2 > 3% faster as Dazz said (I would say more because of the low CL if you run them at 1T) you really have to test them and compare with what you have but I would expect better perf. FSX wise, nothing to pop a champagne bottle over it but maybe a beer or two...Also, can you post your rig spec., and the hardware you have, can you also post a screen shot of CPU-z with CPU, memory and SPD. You may be able to get more out of what you already have?

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Also, can you post your rig spec., and the hardware you have, can you also post a screen shot of CPU-z with CPU, memory and SPD. You may be able to get more out of what you already have?
Here are my FSX rig specs. Will get CPU-z shots This weekend when i get back to my FSX rig.Thanks & Regards,Coolermaster CM STORM SNIPER mid t.OS: windows 7 pro 64bit.Motherboard: Asus Rampage iii Extreme CPU: i7 950 (not o/c)Ram: G Skill F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ (1600Mhz)Timing: 9-9-9-24PSU: Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000wHard Drive 1: W.D. CAV. BLACK 1TB (7200rpm) - O/SHard Drive 2: W.D. CAV. BLACK 1TB (7200rpm) - FSXVid. Cards: EVGA GTX460 1024MB (X2 SLI enabled)P.S. Ihave not got into overclocking at this time as i am at present using a stock cooler. Am still trying to find the most efficient but 'QUIET' cooler.

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Here are my FSX rig specs. Will get CPU-z shots This weekend when i get back to my FSX rig.Thanks & Regards,Coolermaster CM STORM SNIPER mid t.OS: windows 7 pro 64bit.Motherboard: Asus Rampage iii Extreme CPU: i7 950 (not o/c)Ram: G Skill F3-12800CL9T-6GBNQ (1600Mhz)Timing: 9-9-9-24PSU: Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000wHard Drive 1: W.D. CAV. BLACK 1TB (7200rpm) - O/SHard Drive 2: W.D. CAV. BLACK 1TB (7200rpm) - FSXVid. Cards: EVGA GTX460 1024MB (X2 SLI enabled)P.S. Ihave not got into overclocking at this time as i am at present using a stock cooler. Am still trying to find the most efficient but 'QUIET' cooler.
If you have enough room in your case this is IMO one of the best CPU cooler (air) so far, it's huge but it does the job... http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835608018
Before you do anything as far as Rams you'll have to overclock your CPU, that's where you'll get the most perf. to start with, you should be able to reach 4.2GHz easy and with the Noctua you'll get low temp.Here is a pic. to show you how big this poppy is...012-1.jpg

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