Hello everyone, Im normally silent in these forums but for some reason feel the urge to put in a word or two here. First of all I too im stupefied to hear that a 738 can be landed without the use of any lift-creating devices, by an experienced crew, in rainy\misty conditions, at night, and on a + or - 7,500 foot runway. I urge everyone to consider the fact that there might more going on here than meets the eye. I was vacationing in Guyana at the time of this incident and also flew into CJIA on the same airline and possibly the same aircraft just a few days prior to the incident. . My point in bringing this up is that immediately following this incident there was a stream of indirect finger-pointing and rumors that one could easily eyeball in all of the media sources Guyana. Its my belief that its is the same thing going on here. Also, I also find it hard to believe that pilot error can be the blame when the NTSB has not released their findings to the public. I am more prone to believe that the captain (who flew the airline's A340's when they were in operation) was out of options due to the rain, the resulting low visibility on his first pass to the field, and hydroplaning action on the runway when he finally touched down. Another thing that we should consider is the fact that pilots have been complaining about SYCJ's short runway length and lack of ILS system for YEARS even before the former British West Indian Airlines flew their L1011's into the field. I believe that this is one of the reasons Guyanese officials tried to defend the "adequateness of the facilities at CJIA" as i have witnessed. Gideon Warde

Disagree... The flaps and slats were up, see photo:http://samenews.info/wp-content/uploads/guyana-civil-authority-to-lead-probe-of-caribbean-airlines-crash.jpg There's no excuse for a flaps up landing unless there was a major mech failure of the flaps system. Retracting flaps to increase down-force as suggested by another post seems very unlikely, contributing factors could be short runway and bad weather but it would appear likely that pilot error was the major cause based on the information we have so far. Although nobody likes to admit it, pilot error is statistically the most likely cause of aviation accidents and has been for the last 50 years.

This is definately unfortunate.Someone could of died, and if it was actually pilots fault, I would not want him flying again.Does GPWS give a warning..Too low flaps? Then you put flaps down and You get too low gear?

Are they really pilots? What were they trying to do? A flapless approach? The plane would warn them "too low flaps."

Flaps could have been retracted during the landing roll to increase downforce and thereby increasing the brake efficiency. I don't know if this is standard non-normal procedure in the 737NG, but I know it is on some aircraft. I must agree that it's too early to put blame on the pilots - at least for us, since we have no chance of knowing, what really happened.If the pilot was landing in poor weather conditions and the navigation aid at that particular airport were also poor, the pilot might not have been aware, that he was overshooting the runway, before he had touched down and below safe takeoff speed.//Lasse---------Thats exactly what I have read somewhere else. I don't have an idea how that helps, but there could Be a procedure to raise the flaps to slow down faster on the ground. There are no reasons to Blame the pilots for Not lowering the flaps at this stage! //Lasse

Nobody knows exactly what happened except for the pilots and flight data recorder..

Sorry the answer from me in the post above is in the quote! I can't Change it on my mobile device. Sorry

Disagree... The flaps and slats were up, see photo:http://samenews.info...lines-crash.jpg There's no excuse for a flaps up landing unless there was a major mech failure of the flaps system. Retracting flaps to increase down-force as suggested by another post seems very unlikely, contributing factors could be short runway and bad weather but it would appear likely that pilot error was the major cause based on the information we have so far. Although nobody likes to admit it, pilot error is statistically the most likely cause of aviation accidents and has been for the last 50 years.

I am well aware of this photograph with the flaps up in the aftermath of this incident. Sometimes, the problem with a picture is that it is worth a thousand words - deciphering which of these words are actuality can be subject to endless hours of debate. The fact remains that not one of us has the data from the black boxes including the media entities that are milling most of the information that we have so far. I think that precedence and statistics have their rightful place in any accident that may unfold, however it is unfair to allow them to gain a foothold over the facts that are being processed and analyzed in D.C at the moment. Also, at this stage in the game and with our limited knowledge, we have to weigh them against certain truths that it is closer to unlikely that the pilot could have gotten the 4 or so year old aircraft so close to the ground with no flaps without some aural warning from the aircraft systems. Gideon Warde

HiIf we exclude that the pilot was drunk or somthing, do you even imagine that the pilot would forget to set the flaps (some how close to pilot landing without the gears down) and his Co. too, if he does the AOA wont forget he will see the plane pitching up in un-comfortable way while he is reducing speed, and do you thik he sets the flaps on 30or 40 and all indications were green while the falps on 5or 10 or without any worning message, it will be a first, over shooting the run way? is possible but he will see it and the twoer, last but not least I think a sudden gust of wind would be the fatal reason, that is just me

Do you really have to compare a real world incident which involved real world pilots who were responsible for real world passengers who have real world families, with a joe public flight simulator? Sorry, but I find it quite disturbing.

I am will you on this one .. most crashes have some type of human error involved. I cant believe you guys are calling the pilots idiots and such .... without all the facts.

Maybe they ran out of fuel and had only one chance. But due to a gust or so, they started to float and raised their flaps in order to put the plane down...there are a lot of possible reasons and until we don't know everything we can't blame anyone...

Maybe they ran out of fuel and had only one chance. But due to a gust or so, they started to float and raised their flaps in order to put the plane down...there are a lot of possible reasons and until we don't know everything we can't blame anyone...

Flaps don't retract that fast anyway!In a situation like this, any experienced pilot, should know to just go around