Do you really have to compare a real world incident which involved real world pilots who were responsible for real world passengers who have real world families, with a joe public flight simulator? Sorry, but I find it quite disturbing.

Take a chill pill.

Let's be all collectively thankful,RW or Sim World, in a week when we have lost a very respected and cherished member of this Forum, that no lives were lost in this incident,irrespective of whose fault or no-fault.Any lives saved,even one, is a plus side.

Take for instance the unlucky few pilots that somehow miss the gear horn when landing, only to have an expensive and embarrassing gear up landing and prop strike. What the heck were they thinking?! People are prone to errors. Please also consider stress, fatigue, and other human factors. I know I've made some extremely stupid mistakes in day to day life. (Did I really just forget the frozen pizza that caught on fire, and ignore the buzzer on the oven sounding because it was pizza time?!)

-1 for those pilots.

-1 for those EX-PILOTS.?? Try keeping your job, or getting another one, after a mistake like that !!

I think they knew what's going on and they wanted to make a record of landing without deploying flaps.. "Foolish Pride - Jimmy Cliff"

I know Its wrong but I forget the gears...The flaps is another thing though, How did they manage to slow down? Or see over that panel?

I'm flabbergasted as to how it's possible to conduct an approach and land a 738 flaps up without either pilot noticing the problem... If that's really what happened here then - just wow...

At least they were awake to do the approach!

Not being a real world pilot...I can see incorrect flaps when there are hydraulic issues, or overshooting due to extreme winds and/or turbulence. But doing both when neither condition was present and not executing a go-around when clearly something wasn't right with the approach and configuration?? Not good for the guys up front. Luckily there were no fatalities from this.Adam

What is a big shame is the aircraft was wrecked by people who they should be never let near any passenger carrying aircraft again. that's if they are found to be at fault.

-1 for those EX-PILOTS.?? Try keeping your job, or getting another one, after a mistake like that !!

Air china or korean air will take them

I remember seeing the crash photos and right away seeing the lack of flaps/slats, it stood out like a sore thumb. I am baffled as to how they could not extend the drag devices for landing, forgetting this step is like forgetting to breathe, there is no rational explanation for it. The only thing I can think of is that the flap lever worked and there was a problem with the hydraulic actuators, but in that case shouldn't there be all kinds of warning bells going off???? If that was the case, maybe they should have said something to the tower, but apparently there was no communication of problems on finals by the crew. What a waste.....

Not being a real world pilot...I can see incorrect flaps when there are hydraulic issues, or overshooting due to extreme winds and/or turbulence. But doing both when neither condition was present and not executing a go-around when clearly something wasn't right with the approach and configuration?? Not good for the guys up front. Luckily there were no fatalities from this. Adam

I believe the weather at the time involved quite a bit of rain, maybe some wind too. In any case, it was less than ideal weather conditions for a night landing...

Hello everyone, Im normally silent in these forums but for some reason feel the urge to put in a word or two here. First of all I too im stupefied to hear that a 738 can be landed without the use of any lift-creating devices, by an experienced crew, in rainy\misty conditions, at night, and on a + or - 7,500 foot runway. I urge everyone to consider the fact that there might more going on here than meets the eye. I was vacationing in Guyana at the time of this incident and also flew into CJIA on the same airline and possibly the same aircraft just a few days prior to the incident. . My point in bringing this up is that immediately following this incident there was a stream of indirect finger-pointing and rumors that one could easily eyeball in all of the media sources Guyana. Its my belief that its is the same thing going on here. Also, I also find it hard to believe that pilot error can be the blame when the NTSB has not released their findings to the public. I am more prone to believe that the captain (who flew the airline's A340's when they were in operation) was out of options due to the rain, the resulting low visibility on his first pass to the field, and hydroplaning action on the runway when he finally touched down. Another thing that we should consider is the fact that pilots have been complaining about SYCJ's short runway length and lack of ILS system for YEARS even before the former British West Indian Airlines flew their L1011's into the field. I believe that this is one of the reasons Guyanese officials tried to defend the "adequateness of the facilities at CJIA" as i have witnessed. Gideon Warde

Got to agree with Gideon, I wouldn't be surprised if the NTSB came out with information that either contradicted the news articles claim or gave a concrete reason for the flaps to be up. While it's true crew have landed gear up in the past, even on aircraft with working aural alerts, there was always more to the story. I'm not sure I've ever read a commercial airliner crash where there wasn't more to the story.

Flaps could have been retracted during the landing roll to increase downforce and thereby increasing the brake efficiency. I don't know if this is standard non-normal procedure in the 737NG, but I know it is on some aircraft. I must agree that it's too early to put blame on the pilots - at least for us, since we have no chance of knowing, what really happened.If the pilot was landing in poor weather conditions and the navigation aid at that particular airport were also poor, the pilot might not have been aware, that he was overshooting the runway, before he had touched down and below safe takeoff speed. //Lasse

My God!....Don´t the use checklist and also a confirmation by the Captain?I can understand if we sim pilot, sometimes rely on memory only (I´m always kinda lazy), but again we won´t fell of the chair though./ Leffe