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Glide Slope

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After I pick up the LOC. and turn toward it I set the APP button but I am having trouble picking up the GS I have the FREQ set and course set but it will not take me down? KBDL runway 6 picks up LOC @3,000 the GS is shown @ 1800 .Should I try going down on my own at LOC capture Maby I am a bit to high?

Roger  Deloge :Cuppa:

Yes I´m sure you are to high. You´ll have to be at the altitude the (FAF) Final approx fix tells you, according to your chart. Always better to be little below, than to high. / Leffe

Leif A Mikkelsen

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Hi Roger, was the ILS frequency set at both NAV1 & NAV2 tuned in the same?

Alaa A. Riad
Just love to fly...............

W11 64-bit, MSFS2020, Intel Core i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20 Ghz 6 Cores, 2 TR HD, 16.0 GB DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 MB GDDR5
 

Hi Roger, was the ILS frequency set at both NAV1 & NAV2 tuned in the same?
That is required for autoland, but i don't think it is required for APP mode.

Cristi Neagu

Yes I´m sure you are to high. You´ll have to be at the altitude the (FAF) Final approx fix tells you, according to your chart. Always better to be little below, than to high. / Leffe
You never want to cheat below the FAF height. This altitude is designed to provide terrain protection. So If anything you want to be high at the FAF to be even further from the terrain. What you do want to do is intercept the glideslope from below. This is so you don't dive through the glide slope (as you would if you were intercepting from above) into any terrain below. So what you would do is aim to cross the fix at the published height either in level flight or descending less than a 3 degree glideslope. These conditions will ensure that you intercept from below, but are not below the FAF height.Eric Szczesniak

Eric Szczesniak

There is a bug in the NGX where you will fly through the glideslope in APP mode if the approach is not loaded in the FMC. This may have been your problem. The workaround is to make sure that the approach is loaded in the FMC.

That is required for autoland, but i don't think it is required for APP mode.
Hello CristiPlease correct me if I am wrong, I always knew that capturing the gild slope is a part of the auto landing procedures?Regards

Alaa A. Riad
Just love to fly...............

W11 64-bit, MSFS2020, Intel Core i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20 Ghz 6 Cores, 2 TR HD, 16.0 GB DDR4 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 MB GDDR5
 

Hello CristiPlease correct me if I am wrong, I always knew that capturing the gild slope is a part of the auto landing procedures?Regards
Well... yeah... But you could do a single channel approach, meaning that a single AP is controlling the airplane. When doing that you get no autoland, and you need to disconnect the AP at decision height and land the plane manually. APP mode works for this, and i believe doesn't require both NAV radios tuned to the ILS.

Cristi Neagu

Well... yeah... But you could do a single channel approach, meaning that a single AP is controlling the airplane. When doing that you get no autoland, and you need to disconnect the AP at decision height and land the plane manually. APP mode works for this, and i believe doesn't require both NAV radios tuned to the ILS.
Where can I find the decision height of a given airport ? thx
Where can I find the decision height of a given airport ? thx
Each individual approach has a decision height or altitude (DH or DA, respectively). DA refers to altitude above mean sea level, and DH height above ground. You can find it on approach plates.For example, if you look in FSX\Charts\Lessons\KBFI-ILS-13R.jpg on the bottom left, you can see that DA for the ILS approach is 269ft, and DH is 255ft. When setting the minimums in you aircraft, if you're using BARO settings, you would set it at 269ft, and with RADIO you'd set it at 255ft.Hope that helps.

Cristi Neagu

Each individual approach has a decision height or altitude (DH or DA, respectively). DA refers to altitude above mean sea level, and DH height above ground. You can find it on approach plates.For example, if you look in FSX\Charts\Lessons\KBFI-ILS-13R.jpg on the bottom left, you can see that DA for the ILS approach is 269ft, and DH is 255ft. When setting the minimums in you aircraft, if you're using BARO settings, you would set it at 269ft, and with RADIO you'd set it at 255ft.Hope that helps.
It did, thanks man. I have to study and practice but it definitely helped.
It did, thanks man. I have to study and practice but it definitely helped.
Just follow the IFR lessons in FSX... very worth while.

Cristi Neagu

I've had more than a few occasions with ILS in the NGX where the GS bug remains inactive at the top of the deviation scale despite having the approach in the FMC, radios tuned, courses set, and the VOR locked/active...in those instances, I end up letting it follow the FMC descent path to about 800', then I disconnect the AP and manually finish the approach. The latest place I ran across this was KOLM, which is a 5500' runway from what I remember, so the manual element of landing is a bit more critical with the floaty 800. :D

Scott Burns
 

You never want to cheat below the FAF height. This altitude is designed to provide terrain protection. So If anything you want to be high at the FAF to be even further from the terrain. What you do want to do is intercept the glideslope from below. This is so you don't dive through the glide slope (as you would if you were intercepting from above) into any terrain below. So what you would do is aim to cross the fix at the published height either in level flight or descending less than a 3 degree glideslope. These conditions will ensure that you intercept from below, but are not below the FAF height. Eric Szczesniak
Where did I say he should be below FAF?? I said he should be at that (meaning same) altitude as (FAF) according too chart, which is 1800 feet.Also I said it´s better to be a little below than to high and that was vs his mention of those 3000 feet Here´s the chart. Look at the FAF and also the MDA for ILS or even a CATII if he whish to land like that. If he come in at around 2500-2000 feet, then there would be no prob at all with the MDA.Also he woud catch the GS from below, just as you mentioned / Leffe

Leif A Mikkelsen

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Diamond is visible starts to come down then it is all the way to bottom non stop. both Freq and courses set.Also once lined up I set the Approach mode.

Roger  Deloge :Cuppa:

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