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Peter James

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After weeks of testing I have concluded that the NGX runs a wee bit better on my machine without any limiter! No blurries as a result as well as *******' latest .cfg tweak installed - I do see that blurries creep in over time with the limiter running, without it's sharp as a photo on the old GTX280M I have. Also, frame rate spikes are not any worse without it except in external views...hmmmm...

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I too realised that somehow the external fps limiter did not really cap my fps to the exact value i inserted. i still see spikes going way above the limit and overall i saw no performance increase/decrease nor an increase in smoothness.. ******* .cfg tweak actually made my performance even worser so i eventually descided to keep at my current settings and stop changing anything as it works alright with my rather lowish and old computer :-) i think, the moment you invest more time in tweaking instead of flying is always a moment where you should consider changing your mind ;-) CheersConchi

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Well, I am certainly going to test this myself, as an external frame rate limiter was a bit counter-intuitive. I wonder if you would get similar results by jacking up the external limiter to an unrealistic number, like 25 (hehe).

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How about the smoothness of the sim itelf, microstutters or major stutters....do you notice a difference? Mark.

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How about the smoothness of the sim itelf, microstutters or major stutters....do you notice a difference? Mark.
I am no expert but i thought that the theory was that if you have huge variancies (spikes) in frame rates, this is a cause of stutters or micro-stutters. Thus by reducing the amount and/or size of the variance reduces the posibility of stutters. Or am i wrong?

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I am no expert but i thought that the theory was that if you have huge variancies (spikes) in frame rates, this is a cause of stutters or micro-stutters. Thus by reducing the amount and/or size of the variance reduces the posibility of stutters. Or am i wrong?
That's correct, it's meant to reduce the jumps/drops in framerates.

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The internal frame limiter seems to do a much better job for me, its not a programme, you just drop it into your main fsx folder. http://www.subsim.co...do=file&id=2871
I'll have to experiment with this to see which seems better. The FPS Limiter is installed the same way, within the FSX folder, but then used to start FSX.

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I too realised that somehow the external fps limiter did not really cap my fps to the exact value i inserted. i still see spikes going way above the limit and overall i saw no performance increase/decrease nor an increase in smoothness.. ******* .cfg tweak actually made my performance even worser so i eventually descided to keep at my current settings and stop changing anything as it works alright with my rather lowish and old computer :-) i think, the moment you invest more time in tweaking instead of flying is always a moment where you should consider changing your mind ;-) CheersConchi
The limiter doesn't work with ENB, do you have that mod installed?

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I found that by limiting the frames to 50 instead of 30, I got in fps heavy situations about 3-5 fps consistently (using the antilag limiter).

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The limiter doesn't work with ENB, do you have that mod installed?
Nope, i have not as i want to relief my computer from as much unnecassary workload as possible.However, for those of you who don´t know it: the fps limter works WITH the ENB series, at least with the fps limter "antilag". Somewhere here on this forum or somewhere else is explained in detail how :) So, you think my fps limiter isnt working as intended? i use antilag and have set the limit to 23 fps however within fsx i see somettimes 25....28.... etc.. i thought thats normal but well. now that you ask i have the feeling i'm wrong ^^ Dominik

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Nope, i have not as i want to relief my computer from as much unnecassary workload as possible.However, for those of you who don´t know it: the fps limter works WITH the ENB series, at least with the fps limter "antilag". Somewhere here on this forum or somewhere else is explained in detail how :) So, you think my fps limiter isnt working as intended? i use antilag and have set the limit to 23 fps however within fsx i see somettimes 25....28.... etc.. i thought thats normal but well. now that you ask i have the feeling i'm wrong ^^ Dominik
That's not that much, so I think it's ok. I get jumps to 42 sometimes too, and I'm capped at 40. With ENB on it went WAY above the limit and it caused massive stutters... I don't know :(

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That's not that much, so I think it's ok. I get jumps to 42 sometimes too, and I'm capped at 40. With ENB on it went WAY above the limit and it caused massive stutters... I don't know tongue.png
Ah well, than i'm reliefed, haha... already thought i installed the limiter the wrong way.... Dominik

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antilag DOES work with ENB, rename the antilag d3d9.dll to antilag.dlland in enbseries.ini set these

[PROXY]EnableProxyLibrary=1InitProxyFunctions=1ProxyLibrary=antilag.dll

worked for me.

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antilag DOES work with ENB, rename the antilag d3d9.dll to antilag.dlland in enbseries.ini set these
[PROXY]EnableProxyLibrary=1InitProxyFunctions=1ProxyLibrary=antilag.dll

worked for me.

Wow that's interesting, but do you know if it stops the sim from crashing after ending a session with a pmdg aircraft too? It's sorta the main reason I dropped ENB..

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well i dont think it will make enb magically more stable for u.enb has some issues, but as it wasnt even meant to be used with fsx, u kinda have to take the good with the bad.btw with regards to fps spikes, i think antilag or for that mattar any other frame limiter is designed to keep an average of fps, and not keep it constant.i also get spiked to 35-40fps using a 30fps limit, but the avrage fps after 5 mins is 29.9fps. so that pretty spot on

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The external limiter only does away with FPS "surges". You know? When you're getting 60-80 FPS but panning around the aircraft externally dips it to 20 FPS for a millisecond. Antilag did away with this annoyance.

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here is a shot with enb and antilag @ 30fps, with RenderAheadLimit=2i held the hat switch for about 20 complete revolutions around the plane, u can see high, average, low, and variance of fps. 20119102059235591.th.jpg

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I found that my pc specs, the NGX doesn't really go much above 30 in VC mode anyway, so the external limiter does not much for that viewpoint when flying, and like I said, the textures were much better without it running..... however, if you're on a really fast machine, then the limiter probably has its advantages over none.... I have seen that on my pc, where let's say the Citation Mustang by Flight1 runs fast in VC, 30 to 60fps, yet surges to that 60 all the time...and makes the framerate variability up to 33%...the limter caps it and brings it down to only 5% or so...smmmmooooothhhh for that plane.... yet the NGX is fairly stable and smooth without it , still with stutters from time to time, nothing big

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antilag DOES work with ENB, rename the antilag d3d9.dll to antilag.dlland in enbseries.ini set these
[PROXY]EnableProxyLibrary=1InitProxyFunctions=1ProxyLibrary=antilag.dll

worked for me.

Yes it does work I asked this question a couple of weeks ago when I was having an empty head moment. http://forum.avsim.net/topic/345611-emb-hdr-mod-and-antilag-external-fps-limiter/page__p__2077877#entry2077877 However since I upgraded my specs the other day the d3d9.dll for enb just crashes fsx all the time so I have removed it. I have not bothered to work out why yet as I am busy installing everything else. Have not got round to putting in anti lag either but will be interested to see how it behaves this time.

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here is a shot with enb and antilag @ 30fps, with RenderAheadLimit=2i held the hat switch for about 20 complete revolutions around the plane, u can see high, average, low, and variance of fps. 20119102059235591.th.jpg
Hello, how did you get the MIN, MAX and AVG fps? I know about FS2004, but not in FSX. Thanks, bye.

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Yes it does work I asked this question a couple of weeks ago when I was having an empty head moment. http://forum.avsim.n...77#entry2077877 However since I upgraded my specs the other day the d3d9.dll for enb just crashes fsx all the time so I have removed it. I have not bothered to work out why yet as I am busy installing everything else. Have not got round to putting in anti lag either but will be interested to see how it behaves this time.
u might want to look here:http://forum.avsim.n...d-possible-fix/
Hello, how did you get the MIN, MAX and AVG fps? I know about FS2004, but not in FSX. Thanks, bye.
full info is here:http://www.microsoft...ingShift-Z.aspx if u just want it like i have it i'll make it easier for u, just replace the appropriate sections in your fsx.cfgTextInfo.1 is what shows up after pressing shift+z once, TextInfo.2 after twice and so on.
[TextInfo.1]AirSpeed=1,5Altitude=1,3Heading=1,4Latitude=1,1Longitude=1,2WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6 [TextInfo.2]FrameRate=1,1AverageFrameRate=1,2LockedFrameRate=1,3GForce=1,4FuelPercentage=1,5 [TextInfo.3]Latitude=1,1Longitude=1,2Altitude=1,3Heading=1,4AirSpeed=1,5WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6FrameRate=2,1AverageFrameRate=2,2LockedFrameRate=2,3GForce=2,4FuelPercentage=2,5

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