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Hi all,First off, apologies for grammar - mobile device!Anyway, basically I have my pmdg ngx for complexity and learning, however sometimes I just want to fire up a small prop plane and actually fly something! I want something small enough to explore valleys etc but perhaps a little more going for it than a small cessna. It does need to be simple yet realistic, as its main use will be for learning VATSIM. I have been looking at carenado and they look quite good, however I am not looking to spend a great deal of money - perhaps 25usd max! Can anybody recommend anything??Thanks :-)

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Hi all, First off, apologies for grammar - mobile device! Anyway, basically I have my pmdg ngx for complexity and learning, however sometimes I just want to fire up a small prop plane and actually fly something! I want something small enough to explore valleys etc but perhaps a little more going for it than a small cessna. It does need to be simple yet realistic, as its main use will be for learning VATSIM. I have been looking at carenado and they look quite good, however I am not looking to spend a great deal of money - perhaps 25usd max! Can anybody recommend anything?? Thanks :-)
HelloThe FSD Commander 115TC is a Gem, http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/C115/vx.htm

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Here's a few options: Flight 1 Cessna 441 If you want something that is relatively simple to fly, but is good for exploring and can do a lot more when you need it to, particularly for VATSIM and such, then I would recommend a look at Flight 1's Cessna 441. It is quite old these days as far as add-ons go, having been made a few years ago, but it still has a very good VC and external model (good flight model too). But perhaps more importantly, it gets good FPS, which would be important when you are exploring scenery because you usually want the detail sliders for the terrain up high. And when it comes to using VATSIM and learning complex ATC procedures, you don't want something that is a RAM hog as you might be alt-tabbing out to read a PDF or 'how to' web page some such. Another reason, I might choose that Cessna 441, is because it is pressurised and has a good turn of speed and and pretty high maximum ceiling, which makes it a great aeroplane for training airliner procedures (i.e. you have to think about some more complex stuff if you take it up over 10,000 feet). It's also a slippery sonofa###### on the descent from pressurised altitudes, so it is a great 'airliner trainer' because you have to think about getting the speed off the clock with it when descending, like you do with airliners. Flight 1 Cessna Mustang Having said all of the above re the 441, you might want something more up to date, and if that's true, and you have the computer to handle it ('cause it is farily demanding on you computer), then the Flight 1 Cessna Mustang is a good choice which also fits your criteria, in that it too is easy to fly, can land slowly but can also go pretty fast and climb high when you want it to (not quite airliner speeds, but getting close). As far as training goes, the real Cessna Mustang, which this is a very good simulation of, is often the aircraft of choice for pilots making a transition from props to jets. This is in fact exactly where Cessna were aiming it when they designed it, because despite being a jet, it has no complex overhead and stays with more of a typical GA prop aircraft cockpit layout, which was deliberate on their part, as was the fact that it has a pretty low approach speed. So it offers, in as much as is possible, the best of both worlds. Have a look at Flight 1's Cessna 182T while you are at it, which is another one (single prop) much in the same vein as far as modern avionics go and realistic simulations of them (pricey for what it is, but undoubtedly very good if you want a fancy GA single). Lionheart Bellanca Turbo Viking This happens to be my absolute favourite GA aeroplane for FSX. It's a single engine aircraft much like many other older GA singles in appearance, if perhaps a little more streamlined, but the real thing differs in construction, in that much of the airframe is tubular steel with a non load-bearing outer skin. This makes it light and fast, so despite its age, it is comparable to more modern composite GA singles in terms of performance. What that means is it has a normal GA take off and approach speeds, but it has a very high ceiling because of the lightness of its construction and its turbo engine, and that makes it very fast too for a single, well over 220 knots when you get it going. It has a lovely VC as well, really pretty and more like the inside of a classic 1960s Jaguar saloon car or something like that rather than a typical aeroplane cabin. Unlike the other two twins above, it is not pressurised, but you can still take it up very high because it simulates the pilot and passengers going on the type of nasal oxygen tubes common in GA flying (which does appear visually on the passenbers in FSX, when you turn the oxygen on). This makes it really simple to fly, but extremely flexible to use for more complex flying tasks. Not only that, it's pretty inexpensive as well for such a nice FS add-on. Anyway, check em out. hope that helps or at least gives you some ideas. Al

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Thanks very much for all the input guys - I am looking into them all now. I am also considering pushing the budget for one of the Carenado HD aircraft...They look very nice. Do any of them fit my criteria??

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At the end of the day, you should get what you like, and if you like something from Caranado, then that's what you should buy. They are pretty good (some very good indeed, such as their F33 Bonanza, which incidentally would be a good choice for what you want), the more recent Caranado offerings have good flight modeling, some of the older ones were a bit ropey in that regard, though without a doubt pretty, but even those have some 'fixes' kicking about for them. Don't discount the default FS Mooney by the way, that fits your criteria as well. Al

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Thanks for the advice chock - I did what you said and went with what I think looks fun and reasonably simple (compared to the NGX, anyway)...Went for the Carenado C337H Skymaster because...It looked very strange and I've not seen anything like it. Hope it's fun... Thanks :)

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Thanks very much for all the input guys - I am looking into them all now. I am also considering pushing the budget for one of the Carenado HD aircraft...They look very nice. Do any of them fit my criteria??
The two latest ones would be the best - the T210 or C337.

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That's a good one, nice choice Luke. A not dissimilar variant of the 337 was also used as a forward air controller aircraft in the Vietnam War, for marking targets with smoke rockets, the only major differences between that and the civilian version being more radios and some rocket racks mounted under the wings on the military version. It features extensively in the fact-based war movie 'Bat 21'. Clip of that movie here:

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Very interesting - had no idea this aircraft even existed! Really fun to fly too. I really must get round to learning that NGX eventually....It's like a luxury being able to have traffic at 80% and having a smooth 40fps...

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.... +1 on the Commander 115 TC by FSD, ..... my prime bird, is the Beech Bonanza F33, find it great trainer for student pilot that want to add some diminsion of complexity

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.... +1 on the Commander 115 TC by FSD, ..... my prime bird, is the Beech Bonanza F33, find it great trainer for student pilot that want to add some diminsion of complexity
HelloIt is strange how the FSD Commander 115 TC gets very little love around here, something about the scale of this VC just feels right especially with TrackIR.The last really good product from FSD IMHO

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... both the Manufacturer of the real, and the Sim devaloper are not "Big Names" in the market. Though there are some minor thing that need atention, I found this is a vary compaling airplane, it's conteporary laxuriy interior, along with high performance, smoth and easy to fly, fetures like AC, pressurized fuslage and it's insulation , make this little Bird almost all you can "Wish for"

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When I first purchased the FSD Commander it did not work properly with Win 7 64U. I'm not sure if it works well now, but I remember that it was a beautiful cockpit. Plus it was priced right! That's about the only thing good that I have to say about FSD.

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When I first purchased the FSD Commander it did not work properly with Win 7 64U. I'm not sure if it works well now, but I remember that it was a beautiful cockpit. Plus it was priced right! That's about the only thing good that I have to say about FSD.
HelloIts working fine for me under W764, give it another try it is worth it.

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I am having lots of problems with the FSD Commander using Windows 7, 64 bit Home Premium. I have had this plane for three years and tried running it on my old computer with Windows XP and the computer would not handle it so I flew it very little. Recently bought the new computer with W764 and tried the Commander once more. The panel is all messed up. I can get the functions to work using a combination of 2D and 3D and having a button on the yoke set to change from Nav to GPS. FSD support says they cannot duplicate this problem so they can offer no help. I see on the FSD forum someone else is having a problem like mine and FSD says they cannot duplicate the problem so they offer no support. It really is a fun plane to fly but I just wish it would work properly. I have tried many times to register for the FSD forum and they will not respond so I cannot write in their forum. I have tried to reinstall this plane many times and get the same results each time. Anyone else having a problem like this with the FSD Commander 115TC? I have many other planes that are working fine and lots of add on scenery. All else is working fine but FSD says I might need to reinstall FSX. Any ideas out there?Lazyeight

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I am having lots of problems with the FSD Commander using Windows 7, 64 bit Home Premium. I have had this plane for three years and tried running it on my old computer with Windows XP and the computer would not handle it so I flew it very little. Recently bought the new computer with W764 and tried the Commander once more. The panel is all messed up. I can get the functions to work using a combination of 2D and 3D and having a button on the yoke set to change from Nav to GPS. FSD support says they cannot duplicate this problem so they can offer no help. I see on the FSD forum someone else is having a problem like mine and FSD says they cannot duplicate the problem so they offer no support. It really is a fun plane to fly but I just wish it would work properly. I have tried many times to register for the FSD forum and they will not respond so I cannot write in their forum. I have tried to reinstall this plane many times and get the same results each time. Anyone else having a problem like this with the FSD Commander 115TC? I have many other planes that are working fine and lots of add on scenery. All else is working fine but FSD says I might need to reinstall FSX. Any ideas out there?Lazyeight
HelloSorry to here it's not working on your system, I have it working fine here on the same OS as you, Windows 7, 64 bit Home Premium.Where is your FSX installed, hopefully not under Program Files(x86)UAC turned off ?,Did you remember to turn off any Anti virus when you D/L the product ?Did you remember to run the installer as Administrator ?Did you run the Load Manager once before flying the aircraft ? Hope you get it sorted

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Thanks for the prompt reply. A few answers. I did install it under Program Files (x86) , will have to find out what UAC is and I am sure I did not have it turned off, have tried with anti virus and all security programs both on and off and got the same results, will have to see if I used Installer as administrator, and did not run Load Manager once before flying. I will be working on checking these ideas out this morning and will let you know the results. Many thanks for the suggestions.Lazyeight

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Thanks for the prompt reply. A few answers. I did install it under Program Files (x86) , will have to find out what UAC is and I am sure I did not have it turned off, have tried with anti virus and all security programs both on and off and got the same results, will have to see if I used Installer as administrator, and did not run Load Manager once before flying. I will be working on checking these ideas out this morning and will let you know the results. Many thanks for the suggestions.Lazyeight
HelloYou will save yourself a lot of grief by installing FSX somewhere other than Program Files (x86)

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Can someone please give me good reasons why FSX should not be installed in the default Program Files (x86) folder? Lots of people recommend that the default install location is best avoided, but very few provide explanations as to why this is the case.

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Can someone please give me good reasons why FSX should not be installed in the default Program Files (x86) folder? Lots of people recommend that the default install location is best avoided, but very few provide explanations as to why this is the case.
HelloW7 sets special permissions on this folder which can prevent some addons from working correctlyThe authors of FSCommander explain some of it here:http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66198-vista-and-windows-7-users-please-read/

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My fave GA is the Aerosoft Katana (well second to the Realair Duke) it is perfect if you want to float around at low altitudes flying around valleys as you originally suggested. It has a slow flying speed, is incredibly immersive, with great flight dynamics but also it is fantastic for this kind of flying due to the extremely good visibility from the cockpit.

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