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Saitek Trim wheel and the NGX?

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Just wondering if anyone with the trim wheel has any issues in the NGX?Just received mine yesterday and I'm getting weird results with this plane (using FSUIPC for calibration exclusively) and only with this plane. Works fantastically with the rest of my fleet!Anyone else?Thx,Todd.

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Just to clarify, it's the new Pro Flight Cessna Trim Wheel.What it does is it turns the NGX trim wheel in only one direction, depending which way I initially start rotating it. So, if I start-up FSX and load the NGX. I then rotate the trim wheel back, it will move back but if I rotate forward afterwards, it will continue to move back.Frustrating all these weird idiosyncrasies with the NGX. I really hope this upcoming SP resolves these issues. I've flown the NGX maybe a half dozen times since it was released because of these weird issues with some of my flight hardware and third party software.

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Hi,I have the same hardware and have not been able to get it to function properly with NGX. Have same problems as ViperXBR. I don't have registered FSUIPC so can't blame that. I have installed saitek driver and calibrated from their control panel but to no avail. Works ok on other addons so guess must be an incompatibility with NGX. Shame, just bought it....and really nice to have such sensitive control for manual flying, which I love to do on occasion.Might have a look on the saitek site see if there is a forum there..?PS: have Sp1 and all looking good apart from above issue so far

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try binding the wheel in the FSX settings and not via the Saitek profile.I managed to work everything that way.I don't have the wheel , but I have other saitek stuff that did not work with the profiler but work with FSX settings.another way you could try is via the FMC settings -> control, look there if you see any option to bind a keybord key to a trim wheel,if you can, bind a key to Up and another for DOWN, then in the saitek profile bind the corresponding keys to the UP/DOWN.this might work as well.keep us posted (I also want to get the trim wheel)

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Haven't created a profile for the trim wheel, nor have I for the Saitek pedals and X52 that I use, just use FSX controls settings to bind axis and buttons.All work perfectly well APART from the trim wheel. In the meantime, until I can find an answer, using A and B buttons to control trim. Don't like the idea of using the FMC settings; can't see how this would work at all with a wheel that has a 9 revolution limit...Anyone else?Sim.

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Haven't created a profile for the trim wheel, nor have I for the Saitek pedals and X52 that I use, just use FSX controls settings to bind axis and buttons.All work perfectly well APART from the trim wheel. In the meantime, until I can find an answer, using A and B buttons to control trim.Don't like the idea of using the FMC settings; can't see how this would work at all with a wheel that has a 9 revolution limit...Anyone else?Sim.
Same issue, tried FSUIPC with no luck. Works on all other payware and default aircraft I have.

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guys, FSUIP doesn't supposed to be working with NGX as for binding controls.PMDG stated this number of times.you need to look for other means of binding, e.g. via Saitek profiler of directly with FSX settings.

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Hi all, same problem here with Saitek Av8r. Btw I only use FSX control assignments. I have a registered FSUIPC but leave it in basic mode as it can make life complicated, at least for me. On the Saitek, Button 4 gives UP trim on all a/c including the NGX, but Button 2 gives DOWN trim on all a/c BUT the NGX. I.e. I have joystick trim in only on direction on the NGX. There are no clashes in FSX 'Controls' assignments, which won't accept more than one key/button assignment anyway. A clash somewhere in the NGX? I only set trim pre-take-off as per the FMC but hope there's a solution out there somewhere.Oh, and let me add my voice to the shout of praise for the PMDG NGX ...Best,Gareth Wilkinson

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Follow up. I cannot command DOWN trim either from my kbd or joystick via FSX settings. UP trim is no problem. I have searched for possible conflicts and drawn a blank. Nothing to do with SAITEK controller. Any comments welcome.Cheers,Gareth

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is the saitek wheel , is it recognizes it as 2 buttons (one for up and one for down) or as one button?e.g. if you go into FSX control settings and "Assign a Joystick button" and pick whatever function in the FSX list and try assigna joystick for it, would Up be let's say "button 26" and down "button 27" or they share the same joystick button number , no matter if it's up or down.

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hiya Joel,my Saitket Av8r joystick doesn't have a dedicated trim wheel, I just use buttons 2 and 4 for trim DOWN and UP. If I understand you correctly, I have already tried assigning 2 different keys to command the stabiliser trim but it's the same as if I try the joystick buttons, nothing will operate DOWN trim. I can trim nose UP no problem. And no problem with any other aircraft. Anyway, much as I hate to take up their time I have raised a Ticket with PMDG support. Stabiliser trim is a vital function in flight as any pilot will tell you, and contrary to my earlier comment it is essential on the NGX too for those critical times when you are hand-flying, such as a non-standard approach. I am hopeful for some clues on this anomaly.Regards,GarethBTW, I hope you are both well! Smug.gif

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for me it works fine the trim Up & Down using my saitek yoak buttons, that is why I asked if the trim wheel are recognized as two buttons or only one in FSX settings.is "UP" considered Button 15 (e.g.) and "DOWN" considered Button 16? or the wheel movement regardless if it's UP or DOWN both are recognized as Button 15?

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is the saitek wheel , is it recognizes it as 2 buttons (one for up and one for down) or as one button?e.g. if you go into FSX control settings and "Assign a Joystick button" and pick whatever function in the FSX list and try assigna joystick for it, would Up be let's say "button 26" and down "button 27" or they share the same joystick button number , no matter if it's up or down.
The Saitek Pro Cessna Trim Wheel is recognized as an axis, not buttons. I'm still having the issue even after SP1. In the meantime I've configured a toggle switch on my Yoke to adjust the trim.BTW, all other axis' in my setup, Saitek Yoke, Pedals and 2 throttle quadrants work perfectly exclusively through FSUIPC in the NGX.

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Hi,Has anybody have a experiance with saitek swich panel ? will it work with PMDG NG ?ThanksCan Hürel

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Hi,Has anybody have a experiance with saitek swich panel ? will it work with PMDG NG ?ThanksCan Hürel
I use the radio panel (not the switch panel) and it works fine with the NGX.since both panel working under the same concept I would assume the switch panel would work also.
Anyway, much as I hate to take up their time I have raised a Ticket with PMDG support.Regards,Gareth
Hi Gareth, any news on the Support ticket you raised with the Product Support team?I am waiting to hear if there is a solution before I go ahead and buy the Trim wheel.

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Hi Joel,Remiss of me. I nailed the problem and here's the brief explanation I sent Paul at PMDG support. Hope it makes senseFor me, the problem was about joystick calibration.The tell-tale symptoms were:A/c moved forward briskly while in slew mode.NGX trim would occasionally perform an involuntary wind-up to full Nose Up position the moment I touched the trim wheel.I noted that my default trim setting in the NGX was almost fully Nose Down.I now understand why I could occasionally get ¼ to ½ turn of trim wheel in Nose Down direction. It had reached its full extremity of adjustment!I now recognise that my Saitek Av8r joystick has had a problem holding calibration over recent months and is now up for replacement.Even so, once re-calibrated, the control surfaces loaded in neutral position and, at last, stab. trim control was possible DOWN as well as UP - from the joystick and key assignments.I now realise there is very little Nose Down trim adjustment available anyway in the NGX by default (i.e. from the green band) as compared to Up trim. The reference marks on the trim wheel unit confirm this. Sometimes the obvious takes longer to suss. So, it’s nothing to do with Startup programmes, Services, NGX nor FSX, after all. Well, for me at least.I sincerely hope this helps and that calibration might be all or part of your own issues.Best,Gareth Wilkinson

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Hi,Has anybody have a experiance with saitek swich panel ? will it work with PMDG NG ?ThanksCan Hürel
Hi, I have all the Saitek panels plus the X65F dual throttle & pressure sensitive joystick, please to say that on the multi panel the pitch trim wheel works perfectly as well as the flaps lever although not the auto pilot controls (no big deal I prefer to do that side within the NGX)Also my switch panel gear lever is now working after the latest SP plus a couple of the light switches.My Saitek radio panel works perfectly alsoJust tested the Westjet 600NGX out of Orbx Kelowna with real weather and the muli panel trim wheel worked great allowing me to trim her out in the "chop"X65F took some time to get used to after my X52 but now I love it...it complements my NGX setup perfectlyJust love the NGX600, great job PMDGRegards, Shaun

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Hi Joel,Remiss of me. I nailed the problem and here's the brief explanation I sent Paul at PMDG support. Hope it makes senseFor me, the problem was about joystick calibration.The tell-tale symptoms were:A/c moved forward briskly while in slew mode.NGX trim would occasionally perform an involuntary wind-up to full Nose Up position the moment I touched the trim wheel.I noted that my default trim setting in the NGX was almost fully Nose Down.I now understand why I could occasionally get ¼ to ½ turn of trim wheel in Nose Down direction. It had reached its full extremity of adjustment!I now recognise that my Saitek Av8r joystick has had a problem holding calibration over recent months and is now up for replacement.Even so, once re-calibrated, the control surfaces loaded in neutral position and, at last, stab. trim control was possible DOWN as well as UP - from the joystick and key assignments.I now realise there is very little Nose Down trim adjustment available anyway in the NGX by default (i.e. from the green band) as compared to Up trim. The reference marks on the trim wheel unit confirm this. Sometimes the obvious takes longer to suss. So, it’s nothing to do with Startup programmes, Services, NGX nor FSX, after all. Well, for me at least.I sincerely hope this helps and that calibration might be all or part of your own issues.Best,Gareth Wilkinson
Wow , I totally lost track, to many phrases which I haven't got slightly idea what you talking about :).if I go out and buy the Trim wheel, what do I need to do in order for it to work well in NGX?Note: I don't use FSUIPC, just the FSX control settings (which works fine on my NGX with the Saitek yoke/rudder/radio panel I got).

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Ok Joel,Sorry, I don't know the trim wheel you have in mind. All I can say is this - make sure it is calibrated properly in the set-up software that comes with the wheel. Same as with the joystick. My joystick was calibrated so badly the elevator trim was so far out of adjustment it was useless. My problem was nothing to do with NGX. The problem is with the joystick. I can't see any problems if you set it up properly. I doubt they will have instructions in Hebrew, but you never know. Good luck. GarethSPAIN

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guys, FSUIP doesn't supposed to be working with NGX as for binding controls.PMDG stated this number of times.you need to look for other means of binding, e.g. via Saitek profiler of directly with FSX settings.
That may be, but it works fine, otherwise. I have just about every control necessary (and some not necessary) mapped in FSUIPC.I have a CH Eclipse Pro yoke and the trim wheel does the same thing.

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Ok Joel,Sorry, I don't know the trim wheel you have in mind. All I can say is this - make sure it is calibrated properly in the set-up software that comes with the wheel. Same as with the joystick. My joystick was calibrated so badly the elevator trim was so far out of adjustment it was useless. My problem was nothing to do with NGX. The problem is with the joystick. I can't see any problems if you set it up properly. I doubt they will have instructions in Hebrew, but you never know. Good luck.GarethSPAIN
"Saitek Trim wheel" (the Cessna stand alone version) i had in mind.thanks man for the explanation.

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guys, FSUIP doesn't supposed to be working with NGX as for binding controls.PMDG stated this number of times.you need to look for other means of binding, e.g. via Saitek profiler of directly with FSX settings.
I use FSUIPC to bind up and down of an axis lever for the landing gear, also for button presses for heading and speed rotary knobs and works fine for me, only issue is if you get the dreaded NGX dll crash on loading and have to disconnect the controller until the flight has loaded then reconnecting it wont invoke any assigned FSUIPC settingsGuys excuse my naivety but does the pilot actually touch the trim wheel beside the throttle quadrant? I'm sure in the past I heard some pilot comment once that it would take the fingers off you as it spins so fast if the autothrottle is engaged?I thought it was set in the CDU and can be controlled manually via an up/down thumb switch on the yoke? I have a switch on my Saitek yoke and I use my left thumb to adjust if hand flying, the right hand is then free to control the throttles. I appreciate in General Aviation the trim wheel is manually rotated but didnt in commercial airliners

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well it is unsupported , that doesn't necessary means doesn't work, but if it doesn't work, you shouldn't expect it to work.that is what the Disclaimer means.

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