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LOT emergency landing at Warszawa, Okecie.

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Perfect landing. Even after watching it 3 times it sill is kind of unbelievable how smooth it went.

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Um, spoilers were UP in this last video...Bernt, it the emergency toggle still hydraulic systems dependent? I'm surprised that there isn't a means to unlatch and use gravity drop for the gear...
With the center hydraulic system inop, quite a few flight spoiler panels aren't working (plus the normal flap extension isn't working and the stabilizer trim is 1/2 rate only)That coupled with fact that the air ground sensing doesn't work without the gear means that the ground spoilers are disabled.What you see on the video are all available spoilers. Reverse thrust was out of question so they would have loved to have anything that would have helped in slowing down the plane.The checklist also mentions that with a center hydraulic system failure the maximum (alternate) flap setting is 20 and they did use 30 to help slow the plane down.To know if and when to deviate from an emergency checklist is really good airmanship!The alternate gear extension toggle switch powers a small electric motor which does nothing except to remove the uplocks so that the gear can extend via freefall.I wouldn't be surprised if the cause for this gear up landing was just a loose wire inside the switch or something similar.

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You never train that in the sim
Capt. Wrona said in an interview today he did exercise this manouver 10 times in the simulator

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I hope they now use these guys to fly their President around.scott s..

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I hope they now use these guys to fly their President around
Quite close. LOT Embraer pilots are used for that purpose.

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To know if and when to deviate from an emergency checklist is really good airmanship!The alternate gear extension toggle switch powers a small electric motor which does nothing except to remove the uplocks so that the gear can extend via freefall.I wouldn't be surprised if the cause for this gear up landing was just a loose wire inside the switch or something similar.
Okay, so at least two failures then, both of which affected gear extension. Presumably a hydraulic failure, and then a failure of the alt gear emergency system... It will be interesting to see what the accident report reveals some months down the road.Too bad there is no third, strictly mechanical means to release the uplocks!

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LOT has had some other accidents, according to Wikipedia. Fatal

  • On 15 November 1951 at approximately 09:00 local time, a LOT Lisunov Li-2 (registered SP-LKA) crashed near Tuszyn in bad weather and low visibility conditions, killing the 15 passengers and three crew on board. The aircraft had been on a scheduled flight from Łódź to Kraków.[19]

  • One passenger died on 19 March 1954, when a LOT Li-2 (registered SP-LAH) collided with a hill near Gruszowiec following the blackout of a radio beacon.[20]

  • On 14 June 1957 at 23:10 local time, LOT Flight 232 from Warsaw to Moscow, which was operated by using a Ilyushin Il-14 (registered SP-LNF) crashed during approach of Vnukovo International Airport in bad weather and visibility conditions, killing five of the eight passengers and four of the five crew members.[21]

  • On 20 August 1965 at 13:08 UTC, another LOT Vickers Viscount (registered SP-LVA) crashed near Jeuk, Belgium during a thunderstorm. The four people that had been inside the aircraft on a ferry flight from Lille, France to Wrocław were killed.[23]

  • On 2 April 1969 at 16:08 local time, a LOT Antonov An-24W (registered SP-LTF), crashed into Polica, a mountain near Zawoja. The aircraft with 48 passengers and five crew on board had been operating Flight 165 from Warsaw to Kraków when the pilots lost orientation because of a snowstorm. There were no survivors.[24]

  • On 14 March 1980 at around 11:00 local time, LOT Flight 7 from New York City to Warsaw crashed during a landing attempt at Warsaw-Okecie Airport, killing all the 77 passengers and ten crew members that had been on board theIlyushin Il-62 (registered SP-LAA), including singer Anna Jantar. The pilots had encountered a landing gear problem and started a go-around procedure, during which the no. 2 engine disintegrated, damaging rudder and elevator control lines and causing the Ilyushin to enter an uncontrolled descend.[27]

  • On 26 March 1981, a LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTU) crash-landed near Słupsk following the loss of one propeller, killing one passenger. The other 46 passengers and five crew survived.[28]

  • On May 1987 at 11:12 local time, LOT Flight 5055 from Warsaw to New York crashed in Warsaw, around 5 km from the Warsaw-Okęcie Airport, killing the 172 passengers and 11 crew members on board, what makes it the deadliest accident for both the airline and the country. The aircraft involved, an Ilyushin Il-62 (registered SP-LBG), had encountered an engine explosion, which started a fire in the cargo hold. The pilots had tried to return to Warsaw-Okecie Airport, but lost control due to the extensive damage the elevators had suffered.[29]

  • On 2 November 1988, LOT Flight 703 had to execute an emergency landing on a field near Rzeszów following an engine failure, killing one passenger. The other 24 passengers and four crew on board the An-24 (registered SP-LTD) survived, though most of them received serious injuries.[30]

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  • Only one day later, on 29 March 1950, the airline lost another aircraft (a Lisunov Li-2, registration SP-LBA) in a crash.[33]

  • On 19 May 1952, a LOT Li-2 (registered SP-LBD) was damaged beyond repair in a crash landing near Sowina.[34]

  • On 15 March 1953, a LOT Douglas C-47 (registered SP-LCH) crashed near Katowice.[36]

  • On 14 April 1955, another LOT Li-2 (SP-LAE) crashed near Katowice, with none of the 15 persons on board being killed.[37]

  • On 11 April 1958, a LOT Convair CV-240 (registered SP-LPB) crash-landed near Warsaw and was damaged beyond repair, after it had lost one propeller in mid-flight. There were only four people on board who had operated a training flight with the aircraft; all of them survived.[38]

  • On 25 August 1960, a LOT Li-2 (registered SP-LAL) crashed near Tczew.[39]

  • On 16 December 1963, another LOT Li-2 (registered SP-LBG) was damaged beyond repair when it overshot the runway upon landing at Warsaw-Okecie Airport. The twelve passengers and three crew on board survived.[40]

  • On 24 January 1969 at 17:30 local time, a LOT Antonov An-24 (registered SP-LTE) collided with trees during a landing attempt at Wrocław in poor visibility conditions, and crashed. The aircraft had been operating Flight 149 from Warsaw with 44 passengers and four crew members on board, all of which survived.[41]

  • On 19 April 1973, a LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTN) crashed during a training flight near Rzeszów.[42]

  • On 23 January 1980, a LOT Tupolev Tu-134 (registered SP-LGB) was damaged beyond repair when it overshot the runway upon landing at Warsaw-Okecie Airport and erupted in flames.[43]

[edit]HijackingsDuring the Cold War, when Europe was divided by the Iron Curtain, several LOT planes were hijacked and forced to land in a Western country, predominantly in Germany and especially in West Berlin, because of it being situated like an island in the Eastern Bloc. The hijackers were usually not prosecuted there, but could claim for political asylum, along with all other passengers who wished to do so.

  • On 16 December of the same year, another aircraft on the same route was hijacked, this time it diverted to Bornholm Airport in Denmark. Of the 15 passengers and three crew members on board, 16 decided to claim political asylum.[48]

  • On 16 October 1969, a LOT Antonov An-24 (registered SP-LTK) was hijacked by two passengers enroute a flight from Warsaw to East Berlin and forced to divert to Berlin Tegel Airport, serving West Berlin.[49]

  • On 5 June 1970, a LOT An-24 with 24 people on board was hijacked during a flight from Szczecin to Gdańsk and forced to land at Copenhagen Airport, where police forces stormed the airplane and arrested the perpetrator.[51] Only four days later, on 9 June, another hijacking attempt occurred on a LOT flight from Katowice to Warsaw, but the two persons involved could be overpowered.[52]

  • On 7 August 1970, one passenger on board a LOT An-24 flying from Szczecin to Katowice forced the pilots to divert to Germany. As he did not specify his demands any further, the aircraft landed at Berlin Schönefeld Airport in East Germany, where he was arrested.[53]

  • On 26 August 1970, three persons onboard a LOT An-24 on a flight from Katowice to Warsaw demanded to be taken to Austria. The pilots returned to Katowice Airport instead, where the perpetrators were arrested.[55]

  • On 24 April 1977 another LOT Tu-134 (registered SP-LGA) was hijacked, this time on a flight from Kraków to Nuremberg in West Germany. The pilots returned to Kraków-Balice Airport, where the aircraft was stormed and the hijacker arrested.[57] Another hijacking attempt could be put down on 18 October of that year on board of a LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTH) enroute from Katowice to Warsaw.[58]

  • On 30 August 1978, LOT Flight 165 enroute from Gdánsk to East Berlin was hijacked by two East German cititzens who forced the pilots to land the Tu-134 involved (registered SP-LGC) at Berlin Tempelhof Airport in West Berlin. Next to the hijackers, another six people decided to claim political asylum, thus making it one of the largest successful escapes over the Berlin Wall.[59]

  • On 4 December 1980, a LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTB) was hijacked during a flight from Zielona Góra to Warsaw and forced to land at Berlin-Tegel Airport.[60] The same aircraft was involved in another hijacking attempt on 10 January 1981, when four passengers demanded to be taken to a Western country during a flight from Katowice to Warsaw. This time, the pilots continued to Warsaw-Okecie Airport, though, where the perpetratos were arrested.[61]

  • Another LOT aircraft (an An-24 registered SP-LTI) was forced to land at Tegel Airport on 21 July 1981, after having been hijacked during a flight from Katowice to Gdánsk.[62] Again, on 5 August of that year, another hijacking attempt occurred on board the same aircraft on the same flight, but the perpetrator could be restraint and arrested upon landing at Gdańsk Airport.[63] Only some days later, on 11 August, another hijacking attempt on the same route was taken down, again on a LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTT).[64]

  • On 22 August 1981, a hijacker succeeded in his demands that the aircraft involved (a LOT An-24 registered SP-LTC) be diverted to Berlin-Tegel Airport from its original route from Wrocław to Warsaw.[65] On 18 September of the same year, twelve passengers rioting on board another LOT An-24 (registered SP-LTG) on a flight from Katowice to Warsaw and demanded the aircraft to divert to West Berlin. A Soviet Mil Mi-8 tried to intercept the aircraft before landing at Tegel Airport, but failed to do so.[66] Two similar attempts failed over the following days: On 22 September four passengers tried to highjack a LOT flight from Warsaw to Koszalin, but the pilots returned the An-12 (registered SP-LTK) to Warsaw-Okecie Airport instead, were the perpetrators were arrested.[67] On 29 September, one hijacker demanded the LOT flight from Warsaw to Szczecin to divert to West Berlin; again the pilots landed the An-12 (registered SP-LTP) in Warsaw.[68]

  • On 30 April 1982, eight passengers forced a LOT An-12 (registered SP-LTG), that was operating a flight from Wrocław to Warsaw, to divert to Berlin-Tegel Airport.[69]

  • On 9 June 1982, two highjackers on board a LOT flight from Katowice to Warsaw demanded the pilots to divert to West Germany. Instaed, the aircraft landed in Poland were the perpetrators were arrested.[70]

  • On 25 August 1982, two passengers forced the LOT flight from Budapest to Warsaw, that was operated using an Ilyushin Il-18 (registered SP-LSI) to divert to Munich Riem Airport.[71] A similar incident occurred on 22 November of that year, when the flight from Wrocław to Warsaw (operated by the An-24 registered SP-LTK) was forced to land at Berlin-Tegel Airport.[72]

  • On 25 February 1993, a man forced his way into a LOT ATR 42 at Rzeszów-Jasionka Airport during the boarding process for Flight 702 to Warsaw, threatening to detonate a hand grenade. Police forces stormed the aircraft in which there was a total number of 30 people at the time of the assault, during which the perpetrator (who turned out to be unarmed) was shot at and could thus be overpowered.[73]

I would definitely not fly with them (well first of all I don't live in Poland, and second is ^^^^^), although the crew seems very intelligent.

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I wonder how you say Sully in Polish?Braun
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LOT has had some other accidents, according to Wikipedia.
Most airlines have. A point of interest here is the difference between accident/incident levels during Communist times (1945-1989) using mostly Soviet equipment and post-Communist times - fleet modernisation moving to Boeing, ATR and Embraer. I'm no statistician/safety expert so cannot comment myself, but would be interested to hear from a qualified person what this may/may not indicate.

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LOT has had some other accidents, according to Wikipedia.
The link wuld have been sufficient. It isn't really acceptable to cut-and-[paste large sections of other people's material. Apart from anything else it's a breach of the forum rules.

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it may be a breach of rules, but it shows quite well that only with soviet equippment all fatal crashes and most of the not lethal ones have happend.What is not as public is, how many critical situations have been solved in air in cruze by LOT pilots with modern aircrafts, compared to other airlines.I'd love to find and read those stories more.

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Oh dear. And now a LOT B734 has had to return to a foggy Warsaw with a broken cockpit window. Time to replace those ageing 734s?Polish only: http://www.tvnwarszawa.pl/informacje,news,awaryjne-ladowanie-z-quot-przyczyn-technicznych-quot-,315893.html?token=16705fc9a6a8ca48cc8df589646c9621


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I am a real 767 pilot (and surprised that such a fault can happen on a 767) and I'm very impressed. This landing was absolutely 100000% perfect.
How are engines managed after touch down in such an event? Do pilots cut off fuel as soon as the a/c touches the runway to minimise the likelihood of engine fire etc.?

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That would be the best thing to do. 'Theoretically' it would be even better to shut down the engines a few seconds before touchdown, but in that case timing the correct flare and achieving a very smooth touchdown would be much more difficult.

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