February 4, 201214 yr Hello captains,Not entirely PMDG related, but yeah I'm only flying PMDG planes... And I'm seeing this stutters in PMDG planes only (because they are recourse heavier than the default ones I guess...)I got a Crucial M4 128 GB SSD as you can see in my system specs. I totally unexpected, I did notice a performance increase of around 10%. I think that's because my old HDD was only 5400 RPM and that was slowing down my system a lot . Load times did increase around 50%, but it's not lightning fast or something. Windows load up quite fast also, within 8 seconds after the "Starting Windows..." message appears I'm in I'm at the desktop already.After having bought this SSD, I hoped that all stutters were gone, but no. Frame at Aerosoft EHAM hops around between 33 and 38 all the time, causing some stutters. It's not that bad, but it's just stills there. I have already set up Ryan's NVIDIA inspector guide using the 8xS setting, this reduced it a little but it's still there. I've setup my FSX.cfg already at the venetubo website, using conservative optimization preferences (what's better: normal or conservative?). I heard that some kind of Bufferpools setting might reduce stutters. I'm currently using this:[bUFFERPOOLS]UsePools=0RejectTreshold=131072I know that it's recommend to use UsePools=1 and then setting a specific poolsize, but no matter which setting I use, UsePools=1 is always reducing my FPS quite a lot. Any recommendations on how to reduce stutters? btw, I'm not using an FPS limiter.EDIT: in the BIOS, my SSD is set to AHCI mode. I can also set it to RAID and IDE mode. But what do all these settings do and what makes FSX fun the fastest?Thanks a lot, Edited February 4, 201214 yr by arjenfsx Arjen Vandervelde
February 4, 201214 yr Commercial Member Stutters would have really nothing to do with an SSD. SSDs cut load times, but the stuff causing stutters is likely how the graphics are rendered, and that's all GPU and stuff being pulled out of RAM. I hope you didn't think an SSD would cure them. You need to tweak the FSX cfg better or your GPU better to get rid of those. Try messing with the settings of both, and run Bojote's FSX tool. Edited February 4, 201214 yr by scandinavian13 Kyle Rodgers
February 4, 201214 yr Author Stutters would have really nothing to do with an SSD. SSDs cut load times, but the stuff causing stutters is likely how the graphics are rendered, and that's all GPU and stuff being pulled out of RAM. I hope you didn't think an SSD would cure them. You need to tweak the FSX cfg better or your GPU better to get rid of those. Try messing with the settings of both, and run Bojote's FSX tool.Strange, cuz I got told that SSD's would prevent stutters a lot because they don't get fragmented. And btw, as I already said in my original post I did run bojotes tweaking tool already. Just a few questions: I dunno what the correct setting is for bufferpools. And also, I'm currenlty using AHCI mode for my SSD, is RAID mode or IDE mode better? Which one will run FSX faster? (less stutters) Arjen Vandervelde
February 4, 201214 yr Hi arjenI notice your mother board has 2x6gb slots is your ssd in one of those ??it will speed it up load time but not FPS or stuttering.you will notice that you don't see scenery taking so long to load.Just bought an Agility 3 ssd ,my 2nd one and so knew what to expect.My advice when you get some money to upgrade,get a new video card.that's going to be my next pruchase .probably the new AMD 7980best wishes steve-0 REX SKYFORCE 3D steve howlett
February 4, 201214 yr Author Hi arjenI notice your mother board has 2x6gb slots is your ssd in one of those ??it will speed it up load time but not FPS or stuttering.you will notice that you don't see scenery taking so long to load.Just bought an Agility 3 ssd ,my 2nd one and so knew what to expect.My advice when you get some money to upgrade,get a new video card.that's going to be my next pruchase .probably the new AMD 7980best wishes steve-0Yes it's in the light gray 6GB slot. A new video card? Lol this thing is just new! Around 2 weeks old and giving me great FPS. I don't think a GTX 580 will make a difference at all (cuz it doesn't). Not sure about the AMD 7980, but I don't have the money for that... And it probably won't make a difference at all in terms of FPS. Because FSX is so old, it doesn't take much advantage of those newer graphics cards.So do you know any other ways to reduce stutters? Like something with bufferpools? Cuz I dunno which settings to use... Arjen Vandervelde
February 4, 201214 yr I would see what processes are running when fsx is active.Antivirus's are one the the causes of stutteres.some of them read every file that is being used.i was a long time user of AVG free.i now use Avast free it has a silent gaming mode.also see what other stuff is running in the background you'll be suprised at the amount you can turn off when using fsx.freeing up a lot of memory.wasn't knocking your card,but the higher the spec the better your results will be inside fsx.you probably gain 3-4 fps for me that a 20% increase. cheers steve-0 REX SKYFORCE 3D steve howlett
February 4, 201214 yr If you're getting 33-38fps then just lock your frames at 30 & be dome with it. Kenneth Weir My Saitek yoke mod i7 2600k @ 4.7 8GB Gskill CAS7 2x GTX580 SLI Surround + GT520 Accessory Win7x64
February 4, 201214 yr Author I would see what processes are running when fsx is active.Antivirus's are one the the causes of stutteres.some of them read every file that is being used.i was a long time user of AVG free.i now use Avast free it has a silent gaming mode.also see what other stuff is running in the background you'll be suprised at the amount you can turn off when using fsx.freeing up a lot of memory.wasn't knocking your card,but the higher the spec the better your results will be inside fsx.you probably gain 3-4 fps for me that a 20% increase.cheers steve-0I don't really have any specific processes running in the background as far as I know. I'm using Microsoft Serurity Essentials as my virus scanner? Is that a bad one? And does it scan all the time even when I do not tell it do scan?And, upgrading to a GTX 580 will not make a difference at all, believe me. I've heard multiple stories about this. Arjen Vandervelde
February 4, 201214 yr from what i've read,turn off essentials.download avast free and run that with malwarebytes anti malware free.that's all i use and never had a problem.also don't know if you use it.i had problem with framerate limiter,my comp didn't like unlimited framerate setting cheers steve REX SKYFORCE 3D steve howlett
February 4, 201214 yr Microsoft Security Essentials has been recommended by PMDG people and that's good enough for me. I think they described AVG etc as "bloatware" and I think they made the point that Microsoft should know best how to protect their own OS.Anyway, I find MSE less obtrusive than AVG and I feel I have more control over its activities. I have to say, though, that I've never had a virus/malware problem with either programme, so I can't really compare their relative effectiveness. Dugald Walker
February 4, 201214 yr yep that's why i got rid of avg.it's such a difficult subject to get a definitive answer for.two people can have the same spec ,but both computers run completely different.i am going to backtrack on essentials..just read that it's very good with fsx and there is a exclude option.i'm off to download it now.steve-0 REX SKYFORCE 3D steve howlett
February 4, 201214 yr I've been using mse for about 8 moths now & have no complaints. It has a small footprint and appears to be effective enough.@arjenSSD's will indeed reduce or eliminate stutters associated with texture loading, but that's it. There are still many other reasons you could experience a stuttering problem. That's why I suggested locking the frames at 30, or any other value close to the minimum you see in the sim. Leaving it unlimited can & generally does (in my experience) give slightly better performance, but every time it fluctuates you're going to see a stutter. Locking at or just below the minimum you get is a good way to smooth it out. Whether using the internal limiter, one of the externals or nvidia inspector's new limiting option is something you'll just have to experiment with to find which works best. Kenneth Weir My Saitek yoke mod i7 2600k @ 4.7 8GB Gskill CAS7 2x GTX580 SLI Surround + GT520 Accessory Win7x64
February 4, 201214 yr Author I've been using mse for about 8 moths now & have no complaints. It has a small footprint and appears to be effective enough.@arjenSSD's will indeed reduce or eliminate stutters associated with texture loading, but that's it. There are still many other reasons you could experience a stuttering problem. That's why I suggested locking the frames at 30, or any other value close to the minimum you see in the sim. Leaving it unlimited can & generally does (in my experience) give slightly better performance, but every time it fluctuates you're going to see a stutter. Locking at or just below the minimum you get is a good way to smooth it out. Whether using the internal limiter, one of the externals or nvidia inspector's new limiting option is something you'll just have to experiment with to find which works best.Thanks Ken.I'm using FPS limiter V0.2, and it does not really eliminate those stutters at all. I have so far found 2 ways to reduce stuttering a lot (and it's almost gone). First of all using 8xS Combined or 8xQS Combined in NVIDIA Inspector helped to reduce stutters. Also changing TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD to 4096 helped a little. I read that this is because FSX can better keep up with itself when it's on 4096. I should just stop noticing stutters and just fly lol. FPS are great, with a minimum of 30 without the mouse cursor displayed there's really not much to complain. Btw, my white buildings problem is still not gone at EHAM. But yeah, it only happens there and nowhere else, I should not pay attention to it and just fly. :)Thanks for all your help guys. Arjen Vandervelde
February 4, 201214 yr Yeah I agree the white buildings are most likely tied to that card or its drivers. If the higher aa settings reduce your stutters you could always try setting it to 16xsupersampling. You'd probably get a rock solid 5fps! Kenneth Weir My Saitek yoke mod i7 2600k @ 4.7 8GB Gskill CAS7 2x GTX580 SLI Surround + GT520 Accessory Win7x64
February 4, 201214 yr Author Yeah I agree the white buildings are most likely tied to that card or its drivers. If the higher aa settings reduce your stutters you could always try setting it to 16xsupersampling. You'd probably get a rock solid 5fps!5 fps? Lol. Btw, those white buildings are not caused by my GPU or it's drivers. Because it also happens with my older graphics card and with all kinds of drivers. Have never hear people telling this problem with a GTX 560TI. Well, the only difference to my card is that my card has more shader units, 448, and more VRAM, 1280 MB. I don't see how those two things can cause white buildings. But luckily it only happens there and nowhere else, and it only happens when I'm a few miles away from the airport, it doesn't happen when I'm closer to the airport or at the airport. For the rest, FSX is working flawlessly. But yeah, this is another topic that me and you have discussed before. I should just accept that there are no solutions for it. Arjen Vandervelde
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