February 17, 201214 yr Hi,My copy of XP10 arrived this morning, and i've been having a play around with it and so far I love it. I also bought the Carenado F33 Bonanza as I'd heard it was good, and have been busy buzzing around the airports that were included with the version I got (the Aerosoft one).I've noticed something a bit wierd, in circle view in flight or on the ground, the aircraft appears to be shaking/shuddering. At first I thought it was turbulence but I switched all the weather to clear and no wind and it's still the same. Frame rates were not an issue, I was seeing 55+!Anyone else know anything about this or experience it?It's the latest beta (10.04 beta 4) and it was the same in the out-of-the-box 10.03RC3. Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
February 17, 201214 yr Commercial Member Go into your settings menu->Operations and Warnings and set your "Flight models per frame" to 2 and then try again.Please post back if it works.
February 17, 201214 yr Author Just tried that. Still the same. Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
February 17, 201214 yr Commercial Member Might have to file a bug report. If you do, make sure you're as specific as possible.
February 18, 201214 yr I noticed this as well when I first installed. For me, it appears to have stopped. I don't know if it was something I set, or changed though. Try my settings and see if it goes away... http://forum.avsim.net/topic/362924-better-performance-with-x-plane-1004-beta-4/ Edited February 18, 201214 yr by Murray_CHYZ
February 18, 201214 yr I've had this when using HDR rendering and the 4xfsaa (thats the highest AA setting). I don't know if you are running the highest AA but if you are it could be that. Donald E. Donovan Flying is the 2nd greatest thrill known to man The 1st is landing.
February 18, 201214 yr Author Interesting you guys have seen it too. If you take off, go into circle view and zoom close up to the tail you can see it most prominently that the aircraft is shuddering (not turbulence related). I'm currently not using HDR, as it's too much of a performance burden, but I'll have a play with the AA settings in the morning (its 1am here in the UK)! Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
February 18, 201214 yr Author Hmm.. well it's unaffected by AA setting.It does seem to be connected to frame rate, but not necessarily low frame rate, just the fact that the frame rate is always changing. If I display the frame rate at the top and pan the view around, the frame rate adjusts as it draws whatever it is that's in the new view. Depending on what that is, the frame rate can change quite significantly. I've noticed it's when the frame rate changes that the aircraft starts shuddering. This change can be as little as 1fps. You can see this on the ground to some extent - go into outside view and zoom close to the aircraft. Pan the view slightly, and notice the aircraft shakes as the fps adjusts. Then it should stop shaking. In the air because the scene is constantly changing the fps is much less stable and is changing constantly, hence the continuous shaking. Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
February 18, 201214 yr Just did your test Tom, and I have it as well. Sitting at the terminal, shut the aircraft engines off, set weather to nothing, no wind, nothing, went to chase view, zoomed into the tail section on the F33a and it was "shivering" like it had a cold. My fps at the time were 125-145. Tried a bunch of different rendering settings, nothing made it "go away". It would stop if I didn't move the view at all for a second or two. Slightest movement of the view, and the "shivering" started again.Glen Gigabyte z590 UD - i5 11600k 4.9 GHz - 64gb 3600 MHz ram - RTX 3070 ti - multiple ssd - 34" 3440x1440 100 Hz Curved - Saitek Yoke Pedals Throttle Quadrant x2 - TM T16000m x2 Throttle - Win 11 Pro
February 18, 201214 yr I guess the problem you're experiencing is not what I was experiencing Tom. The "shaking/shivering" effect I had was with all planes and all the time.
February 18, 201214 yr Author What Glen reports is exactly the same as what I'm seeing. I guess it's good it's not just me! Tom Wright, UK PPL(A) SEP + Night Rating + IMC/IR(R) Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz RAM | 16GB RTX 4080 Super | 2x 2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2 | Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Sidestick + Quadrant | Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals | WinCTRL Airbus FCU + EFIS + MCDU
February 18, 201214 yr It's definitely not just you! It's exactly the same for me, too.And I'm experiencing this since XP9 and now with XP10. I have the ''flight models per frame'' set to 2 and tried higher levels, it doesn't go away. It's most pronounced in chase-view [shift-8] for me.
April 18, 201214 yr Hi Tom, thanks for your post, in this way I found out more simmers have this issue (and I became mamber of Avsim immediately ;) I noticed similar behaviour and remember it was 'suddenly' there. Must have been some keys I pressed (not on purpose). Seems I may have another option to check: I am flying X-plane 10 on a Mac and under menu selection 'view' there is an option called "toggle Cinema Verite"- I clicked it once and the shaking is gone. Hopefully it resolves the issue for you and others too. Happy landings!
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