Hi, I usually load NGX Short state, and start the Captain/PF Pre-flight flow, I skip the optional ‘RUN PF’ (step 1) of that flow and directly start with step 2 and continue. Since I don’t execute ‘RUN PF’ it seems the pre-flight time remaining (T+) countdown never gets initiated which results in First Officer/PNF Pre-Flight Main Procedure not triggered consequently. Per flow documentation, First Officer/PNF Pre-Flight Main Procedure gets triggered at T+18.So what is the correct workflow, is this by design? Is there a way to manually start T+ countdown? If the optional ‘RUN PF’ is skipped, then there is no way for first officer/PNF to run his/her Pre-flight Main Procedure?Thanks for your help,PJ

Hi PJ,Since you're not running the Pre-Flight events, no countdown timer will be visible. So it's by design.If you want to use the Short State Panel, just setup the overheard yourself in this case (setup the FMC, etc.)Then run the Pre-Flight checklist.You could even skip the Pre-Flight Checklist using the arrows and skip directly to the 'Before Start Procedure'.Cheers,

So I have done this already(skipping the Run PF like you describe) and that works fine. However, the FA won't make her boarding announcement then and the ground crew doesn't come with the load sheet nor ask for boarding etc. Is there a way to get them to do that? I am using the button version.Thanks,Kevin

So I have done this already(skipping the Run PF like you describe) and that works fine. However, the FA won't make her boarding announcement then and the ground crew doesn't come with the load sheet nor ask for boarding etc. Is there a way to get them to do that? I am using the button version.Thanks,Kevin

No there isn't, you can skip the preflight events and have the preflght events too :S

That seems to me like there should be that option some how. I'm not a real 737 pilot, but I've flown a lot and used to work for an airline with 737's so I've been onboard quite a few times during pre-flight in between short hops and I don't recall that they have to go through testing everything to that extent on every flight. Like does the FO need to do a walk around between each leg? The IRS alignment should only need to be done once a day too, correct? Testing all the fire alarms etc is all a one time thing too, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong? But, if not, for short panel state and quick turns, we should have the option to get all the other events that happen minus all the events such as the ones I mentioned above.It just seems like there should be an option or way to not have that all as "canned" procedures that have to happen in order to get your FA to do the welcome announcement and the ground crew to operate doors/jetway and bring you the load sheet, etc. I'm not by any means saying I know this to be the way. Maybe all that is done per leg and I've just never noticed before but for as much as I've flown, you'd think I would have seen/heard that somewhere along the way? Any real world 737 pilots(especially SWA) that can verify what's done and what's not on short turns?

That seems to me like there should be that option some how. I'm not a real 737 pilot, but I've flown a lot and used to work for an airline with 737's so I've been onboard quite a few times during pre-flight in between short hops and I don't recall that they have to go through testing everything to that extent on every flight. Like does the FO need to do a walk around between each leg? The IRS alignment should only need to be done once a day too, correct? Testing all the fire alarms etc is all a one time thing too, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong? But, if not, for short panel state and quick turns, we should have the option to get all the other events that happen minus all the events such as the ones I mentioned above.It just seems like there should be an option or way to not have that all as "canned" procedures that have to happen in order to get your FA to do the welcome announcement and the ground crew to operate doors/jetway and bring you the load sheet, etc. I'm not by any means saying I know this to be the way. Maybe all that is done per leg and I've just never noticed before but for as much as I've flown, you'd think I would have seen/heard that somewhere along the way? Any real world 737 pilots(especially SWA) that can verify what's done and what's not on short turns?

Yes the F/O needs to do the walk-around every leg,..being someone that worked for an airline you should know this :( . No the IRS should be aligned every flight, we don't do a "full alignment" every flight though, we do a "quick alignment" for normal turnarounds and full allignments for over-water operations etc. At any rate,..the F/O does not align the IRS in FS2Crew anyway. The fire tests etc are done whenever there's a crew change or it's the first flight of the day. Regardless to weather the aircraft is loaded in that panel state or not you're still coming to the aircraft for the first time and you are required to do a full preflight. When you do a flight, run the shutdown checklist and skip to preflight again and the F/O will do a "turnaround flow" same as he does in the real world.You can't not run the preflight events, and expect to have the preflight events too :(. Real world flying is serious business and people have to follow procedures,they can't follow them half way, they must do them by the book or else something could go very wrong. FS2Crew follows the flow that a real world airline follows, nothing more nothing less , so everything you see is actually done.

That seems to me like there should be that option some how. I'm not a real 737 pilot, but I've flown a lot and used to work for an airline with 737's so I've been onboard quite a few times during pre-flight in between short hops and I don't recall that they have to go through testing everything to that extent on every flight. Like does the FO need to do a walk around between each leg? The IRS alignment should only need to be done once a day too, correct? Testing all the fire alarms etc is all a one time thing too, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong? But, if not, for short panel state and quick turns, we should have the option to get all the other events that happen minus all the events such as the ones I mentioned above.It just seems like there should be an option or way to not have that all as "canned" procedures that have to happen in order to get your FA to do the welcome announcement and the ground crew to operate doors/jetway and bring you the load sheet, etc. I'm not by any means saying I know this to be the way. Maybe all that is done per leg and I've just never noticed before but for as much as I've flown, you'd think I would have seen/heard that somewhere along the way? Any real world 737 pilots(especially SWA) that can verify what's done and what's not on short turns?

Also I feel quite insulted by "Any real world 737 pilots(especially SWA) that can verify what's done and what's not on short turns?" What am I ? I'm the one who wrote all the procedures for FS2Crew, is my word not good enough ? Also, FS2Crew wasn't made to follow a specific airlines SOP so SWA or not wouldn't be of any help. But, and airline pilot could tell you yes,..it's true.

That seems to me like there should be that option some how. I'm not a real 737 pilot, but I've flown a lot and used to work for an airline with 737's so I've been onboard quite a few times during pre-flight in between short hops and I don't recall that they have to go through testing everything to that extent on every flight. Like does the FO need to do a walk around between each leg? The IRS alignment should only need to be done once a day too, correct? Testing all the fire alarms etc is all a one time thing too, isn't it? Maybe I'm wrong? But, if not, for short panel state and quick turns, we should have the option to get all the other events that happen minus all the events such as the ones I mentioned above.It just seems like there should be an option or way to not have that all as "canned" procedures that have to happen in order to get your FA to do the welcome announcement and the ground crew to operate doors/jetway and bring you the load sheet, etc. I'm not by any means saying I know this to be the way. Maybe all that is done per leg and I've just never noticed before but for as much as I've flown, you'd think I would have seen/heard that somewhere along the way? Any real world 737 pilots(especially SWA) that can verify what's done and what's not on short turns?

What was your job at the airline by the way ?

So, first of all, I will do my best to refrain from answering in the way these answers seem to be directed. I can sort of see that I maybe didn't do the best job of stating my position. By no means did I mean to insult or even remotely seem to come across as an expert or anything on my part. I'm the first to admit when I don't know something and I guess I didn't do the best job of saying that in the previous post. I'm sure you know waaaayyyy more than I do when it comes to this stuff. And, I'm extremely sorry as I didn't pay enough attention to the fact that you are a RW 737 pilot. So, from that, I am sorry. There definitely was never meant to be any harm or insult. I was simply trying to ask questions to learn and I'm sorry if that came across as an attack. I do think you jumped the gun a little there though in the attack back and I'm not too impressed with that. I'm so sorry that I don't have the level of knowledge that you have and again, while I understand the fact that since you are a 737 pilot, did it really warrant this response without allowing me to clarify?So, past all that, what I should have said in my previous post then was that I don't always approach each flight as the first flight of the day or a change of crew or anything. I pretend to start a day out somewhere and end somewhere else after several legs in between. So, I may fly today that is my origin flight for the day or whatever you call it(again, I'm sorry if this is attacking your intelligence here. I don't know as I'm not a pilot so please try to forgive me and realize I'm not at your level). So after my first flight of the day, I may not fly again for another week but I simulate the next flight being a continuation of that day I started the week earlier. This means that this new flight is actually a quick turn from the origin flight. Basically, I restart my computer between each leg for performance reasons with FSX. So, every leg I fly is either simulating a quick turn or the first flight of the day. For first flights of the day, I can see running the PF setup. But for the quick turns in between, I was wondering if all the same things still need to happen? And, based on that, I just was hoping or thinking that maybe there should be an option to get the FA and ground crew to still do their certain events without needing the whole PF events. You said yourself that the fire tests etc don't happen every leg unless crew change or first flight of day. So, how can I get the FA/ground crew to still do their normal pre-flight events without having to do all the PF setup stuff every leg? Does that make sense? Is it asked in a way that doesn't insult your intelligence?Whether I was wrong in my wording or not, please accept my apologies for the mis-understanding. I really did not have any intent to insult. I apologize for this post seeming a little peeved on my part but I still do feel that it didn't warrant this kind of attack back. I've been impressed with this product. It's something that you never know you need until you have it and I can't imagine flying without it now. Bryan has been excellent in his support and hopefully responses like this to idiots like me aren't made like this all the time.Thanks.

So, first of all, I will do my best to refrain from answering in the way these answers seem to be directed. I can sort of see that I maybe didn't do the best job of stating my position. By no means did I mean to insult or even remotely seem to come across as an expert or anything on my part. I'm the first to admit when I don't know something and I guess I didn't do the best job of saying that in the previous post. I'm sure you know waaaayyyy more than I do when it comes to this stuff. And, I'm extremely sorry as I didn't pay enough attention to the fact that you are a RW 737 pilot. So, from that, I am sorry. There definitely was never meant to be any harm or insult. I was simply trying to ask questions to learn and I'm sorry if that came across as an attack. I do think you jumped the gun a little there though in the attack back and I'm not too impressed with that. I'm so sorry that I don't have the level of knowledge that you have and again, while I understand the fact that since you are a 737 pilot, did it really warrant this response without allowing me to clarify?So, past all that, what I should have said in my previous post then was that I don't always approach each flight as the first flight of the day or a change of crew or anything. I pretend to start a day out somewhere and end somewhere else after several legs in between. So, I may fly today that is my origin flight for the day or whatever you call it(again, I'm sorry if this is attacking your intelligence here. I don't know as I'm not a pilot so please try to forgive me and realize I'm not at your level). So after my first flight of the day, I may not fly again for another week but I simulate the next flight being a continuation of that day I started the week earlier. This means that this new flight is actually a quick turn from the origin flight. Basically, I restart my computer between each leg for performance reasons with FSX. So, every leg I fly is either simulating a quick turn or the first flight of the day. For first flights of the day, I can see running the PF setup. But for the quick turns in between, I was wondering if all the same things still need to happen? And, based on that, I just was hoping or thinking that maybe there should be an option to get the FA and ground crew to still do their certain events without needing the whole PF events. You said yourself that the fire tests etc don't happen every leg unless crew change or first flight of day. So, how can I get the FA/ground crew to still do their normal pre-flight events without having to do all the PF setup stuff every leg? Does that make sense? Is it asked in a way that doesn't insult your intelligence?Whether I was wrong in my wording or not, please accept my apologies for the mis-understanding. I really did not have any intent to insult. I apologize for this post seeming a little peeved on my part but I still do feel that it didn't warrant this kind of attack back. I've been impressed with this product. It's something that you never know you need until you have it and I can't imagine flying without it now. Bryan has been excellent in his support and hopefully responses like this to idiots like me aren't made like this all the time.Thanks.

Hi Kevin,Firstly let me apologize for my post seeming negatively charged. I wasn't trying to attack you, i did however feel insulted. I accept your apology an hope you accept mine and know they're no hard feelings on my part. It's a forum, and it's here for people to ask questions and learn.We've discussed this before and it's something on the cards for SP2 if it can be done (I think it can be though). One of our beta testers had brought this up but it was too late to add it to SP1. It'll be along the lines of right clicking the "RUN PF" button to start a the turnaround preflight.

Damien,Thank you for the response. I really appreciate the apology back. Definitely no hard feelings on my part either. I think it's just a mis-interpretation on both our parts. That's part of the "fun" of posting on these...It's hard to really convey a meaning when all you have is the black and white words sometimes. :)Thanks for all the work on a great product!! Again, it's become one of those must haves for realism in FSX. An excellent compliment for the brilliant NGX!!! I look forward to SP2.-Kevin