When making chnages to a flight plan such as changing runways, I find that both the old and new stays in the Flight Plan page. Yesterday, I changed runways at KLAS and founmd both set of fixes displayed leaving a small mess.

 

How is this managed? Am I doing something wrong?

When you want to select a runway, press the LSK next to the airport. Select the runway, SID, and transition (SID and transition if applicable). Click insert. The departure procedure will be inserted into the flight plan.

 

If you need to change the runway, then click the LSK next to the runway. Select the new runway, SID, and transition (SID and transition if applicable). Click insert. The new runway should replace the old runway.

When I chnage runways, the old runway is still in the list with a route disco. I guess you just clear (CLR) the old runways? just a little confused that the old does not drop from the list. Same thing happens if you chnage the STAR.

I am really unsure but I think that the systems adds the entire STAR so that if you have started flying it you can simply add the entire list in front of the previous and then press direct intercept to the waypoint you want to go to. Anyone having a better way?

 

Manfred

ALWAYS press the LSK next to your transition. It will replace the flight plan from that point down with what you enter for a STAR. If you are changing runways, then go from the IAF and then all you will need to do is remove the IAF from the old approach, and the rest of the flight plan would have been replaced by the new approach.

All of the above is not really the correct way of doing it....

 

When you need to enter in the arrival runway or STAR, you should do so from your last enroute waypoint (this will make sure that your flight plan is in the correct order)

 

Be aware that at some airports such as EDDF for many of the STAR / Approach transitions you dont select the STAR but select the approach and the STAR is part of the transition to the approach.. Otherwise you will end up with a mess in your FMS

All of the above is not really the correct way of doing it....

 

When you need to enter in the arrival runway or STAR, you should do so from your last enroute waypoint (this will make sure that your flight plan is in the correct order)

 

Be aware that at some airports such as EDDF for many of the STAR / Approach transitions you dont select the STAR but select the approach and the STAR is part of the transition to the approach.. Otherwise you will end up with a mess in your FMS

This is pretty much exactly what I said in the post above yours. Pretty much all flight plans have the last enroute point at the STAR transition.

 

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If the OP would like I can send / post on here the information on how to do it all step by step from the FMS guide.

 

But if you enter / change your STAR / approach and transition from your last ENROUTE waypoint you won't go far wrong. As I say if your flying in Europe lots of the procedures are coded so you don't select a STAR but it is an approach transition.

 

Dennis

I got it guys.

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

The other thing you can get into the habbit of doing Brad, is using the secondary flight plan.

 

Before takeoff use it to have the engine out procedure in, you can then overlay the secondary flightplan on the ND.

 

After takeoff you normally make a copy of the active.

 

Then approaching your desination you can use the secondary for a runway change by having it already set up with an alternate procedure :)

 

Or again use the secondary if you maybe has a special procedure at xyz airport for an engine out approach / go around

 

Dennis

When I chnage runways, the old runway is still in the list with a route disco. I guess you just clear (CLR) the old runways? just a little confused that the old does not drop from the list. Same thing happens if you chnage the STAR.

Brad, I too noticed that when I first started inserting SIDs and STARs. Here's what I do. Once I have selected the STAR, I go back through the FP page and clear the waypoints LSK by LSK from where the transition starts. That way I am not adding to the distance with limited fuel, and not going back over the same waypoint, I use the PLN View to check this modified route.

VC10MAN,

 

If you select the STAR or approach from the last enroute waypoint it won't duplicate parts of the procedure. But will effectively remove the old one and replace with your new STAR, Transition, Approach.

 

Then as you rightly say, check the route on the FMS and PLAN against the approach charts, using the Navigraph Data I find it especially important to check speed constraints as these are sometimes not correct in the FMS database.

Love the idea to use the secondary flight plan but key to this thread was learning what fix to select when entering a STAR. I was selecting from the Airport code. That left the airport in front of the STAR that confused me. I now get how the fix page flows.