There were a LOT more than 800 beta testers. I was one of the majority who didn't vote for ATC.

 

Hook

Simply not true.

 

Yep it is, just go to the report bug section of the MS site betatesting. Then sort the reports by " the most voted " and you will see that the most voted one ( 797 ) is the ATC.

 

This since January.

I just voted for ATC so now there are 798 votes. :Just Kidding: But just like Hook said, that does not mean there are only 798 + 15 (those who voted down) beta testers out there.

I just voted for ATC so now there are 798 votes. :Just Kidding: But just like Hook said, that does not mean there are only 798 + 15 (those who voted down) beta testers out there.

 

Maybe betatesters are more maybe not anyway thanks for the vote !

 

For sure the blockbuster suggestion of the year among the most voted is for sure the ATC and it beats the second one by hundreds of votes.

 

It would be nice to overtake 800 votes, just to brag here and there B) and to ask MS again why they insist on ignoring the evidence.

fyi, none of you other than the devs can tell how many beta testers there were. Just by looking a the feedback section, you can see how many people voted, not how many people are in the beta. I'm pretty sure that some of the beta testers didn't bother looking at the feedback section other than when posting or looking at their own bugs.

 

And for the sake of it, ATC is the least of worries for the Flight devs atm because they are worried getting stuff out so we can enjoy flying.

 

Mind you, Flight is a game where you enjoy the way of FLYING, not the way of OPERATING AN AIRCRAFT.

 

As a dev said "The game is about the act of flying, not about the act of operating an aircraft". If you want to fly in a simulator that shows you the way to operate an aircraft; please, go get X Plane, Prepar3D, or Flight Gear. This game is not for you.

 

And one last thing, you cannot blame anyone for the way this game turned out. Every game and code is made using "trial and error". You try something, make a mistake, and learn from it. In this case, I don't think Microsoft made a mistake by trying to attract a wider audience. And I'm pretty sure they did well as the release of it on Steam was a hit for about a week.

 

ATC in my opinion is irrelevant at this time of development. AI (not aircraft), ability to start at gates, and the pushback idea is 10x more important at this time.

 

One last question; How many of you Flight Simmers out there have used Flight and loved it? If you did, do you think this has potential to become a great game for everyone out there? The person reviewing the game even said this game had high potential.

Yet another example of why the beta forum should be shuttered. The game isn't in beta anymore. MS should be supporting the game openly for all of their customers, not keeping things bottled up for the few who were lucky enough to get beta invites. I don't see any mention of this on the Steam forums, which does have Dev attendance.

 

Yeah I agree, pretty ridiculous that the beta forum is still the main method of Flight dev interaction with the Flight public on things like this update and the work on TrackIR.

 

So the people picked for the Flight beta got early access to Flight, most of them got some free DLC, and they continue to get better communication and support than us paying customers who were not picked for the beta, paid for the DLC ourselves and have to wait to hear this stuff secondhand, bravo for another excellent Flight decision/strategy.

 

Why not open up the Flight forum to other customers and not just those lucky to get picked for the beta?

You kinda don't get the point John. They are trying to get a public Flight forum ASAP right now. If I'm correct, they are currently using the Steam forum as the public Flight forum. The beta forums now are for interaction with devs and beta testers and it contains some stuff that other people are not allowed to participate in.

 

For example:

 

Unreleased Updates

Unreleased DLC testing

 

Those two are the only things we are not allowed to disclose to you guys as we are the backbone of Flight's success. Testing is done by beta testers and devs. Everything else us beta testers do not and do not want to know about.

 

And by the way, the main method of Flight dev interaction is by Steam and Beta Forums now. Steam is better because you do not need to refresh to see if there's anything new.

most of them got some free DLC

 

If you consider standard rates for computer specialists, that "free" DLC was the most expensive game I ever hope to buy. We worked for it, trust me. Even at minimum wage the DLC was expensive, and that only counts the time I was actively reporting problems, not playing the game to find them.

 

People ought to be glad there are beta testers here reporting stuff directly to the developers and getting answers that are posted back here. Everyone had at least the same chance of getting in the beta as I did, as I applied late and was surprised when I was accepted.

 

Hook

You got lucky Hook. It was probably because the developers were looking for all sorts of people. The young, the old, the Flight Simmers, the Gamers, etc.

 

And Yes for all of you out there, Hook is right. If you didn't have beta testers helping you with issues, you may have left the game earlier. You may not even be posting on these forums as you think that the developers of Flight are stupid and have no use. As it turns out, the devs are positive and helpful when they can help. At least 3 of them participate in Steam chats and the Steam forum. You guys should be glad that you have these available.

 

Remember FSX when the only way you could contact devs was by e-mail? Sometimes, they wouldn't even bother replying because they don't really care much. In Flight, the devs look at ALL the emails and they at least TRY to respond the best they can. You can even use Steam and they will be glad to help.

 

Remember to ask yourself this question: When was the last time that I got access to the developers themselves other than by e-mail? The answer is a long time ago.

I don't have a problem with you guys being beta testers, I'm actually glad there were quality people like you guys who were picked for the beta, I've heard other reports from people who got picked, didn't like Flight and flew for less than an hour but still got free DLC.

 

My beef is that MS continues to use the limited access beta forum to distribute key information customers care about such as the fact that they may be working on TrackIR support (which I was glad to hear finally) and then leave it up to you guys to share or not share that with the great unwashed masses like me who is buying the DLC and helping to pay for that future development.

 

Now that the product is out of beta, they should be able to have an open dialogue with their customers via an official forum that doesn't require customers to depend on second hand info from outside beta testers, it sounds like Steam may have become that forum, I'll start checking there and hope that they share the same future work info there that they do on the beta forum then, I appreciate the heads up.

then leave it up to you guys to share or not share

 

Anything the devs say that's newsworthy gets quoted directly here. Most of the time the information shows up on the facebook page or elsewhere before it's posted in the beta forum anyway. Often one of the beta testers finds it and quotes it on the beta forum. A dev may or may not comment on it.

 

The Steam forums and chat are probably a more direct route to new information than the beta forum. Since not all of us have access to the Steam chat, we'd appreciate it if interesting stuff was quoted here as well. Same with the forum.

 

Hook

The beta forums now are for interaction with devs and beta testers and it contains some stuff that other people are not allowed to participate in.

 

Those two are the only things we are not allowed to disclose to you guys as we are the backbone of Flight's success.

 

Is it possible for you to sound any more arrogant?

"backbone of flight's success??

 

The peolpe who buy the game are the "backbone of Flight's success"

Mind you, Flight is a game where you enjoy the way of FLYING, not the way of OPERATING AN AIRCRAFT.

 

 

This is not correct IMO because you can somehow use VOR inside Flight and there is plenty of ILS frequencies, just to give you an example. Not to mention towers different frequencies who definitely pertain only to the ATC and its tech procedures.

 

These are clearly features who pertain to how to OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT not therefore to how to move an Icon with the mouse like even traffic lights are able to do in a decent manner.

 

Considering these features are in and they have been put inside by MS we are right demanding a way to use them, otherwise the super wise MS would have wasted a ton of time on developing them all.

you can somehow use VOR inside Flight

 

Go get today's aerocache. It's at the the intersection of three VOR radials, and over water so there are no landmarks.

 

Hook

Go get today's aerocache. It's at the the intersection of three VOR radials, and over water so there are no landmarks.

 

Hook

 

I may give it a try, thanks for the hint.

 

Anyway you have to admit that it is rather contradictory that Flight has tutorials to land an Icon , to take off an Icon therefore essentially tutorials on how to use a mouse while it misses tutorials on how to properly use VOR to VOR guidance using instruments.