<<<>>>Default is better in FS2004 than ever before in my humble view. I have more than 500 carefully chosen add-on aircraft in FS2004, but fly six hours multiplayer a week on the default DC-3. Modified a little, yes, but it's glorious. And a twin!Careful you don't fall into the "I'll never fly default! I'll never fly without a VC! I'll never fly freeware when payware is always better!" camp. Some of the best aircraft out there are freeware. And, if flown properly, one or two of the FS2004 default 'planes and panels are very good indeed.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

Flight1 Cessna 441 FSD Piper Navajo PantherFlight1 Cessna 421 eagleFSD Seneca VFSD Piper Cheyenne 400All good aircraft,but my favorite is the Cessna 441.

>Flight1 Cessna 441 >FSD Piper Navajo Panther>Flight1 Cessna 421 eagle>FSD Seneca V>FSD Piper Cheyenne 400>All good aircraft,but my favorite is the Cessna 441.I was about to post the exact same thing, minus the Cheyenne (I don't own it).

Forgot to add the PMDG Beechcraft 1900.Not a big learning curve to fly,but a great visual aircraft inside and out.Its just a great plane to have some fun with.Happy LandingsKLBE

>Forgot to add the PMDG Beechcraft 1900.Not a big learning>curve to fly,but a great visual aircraft inside and out.Its>just a great plane to >have some fun with.>I have heard that this plane is not so realistic in implementationand uses default panels.Also how good is the documentation for this plane?

The manual is only 14 pages not a big deal but it gives the specs and some simple lessons.Just fun to fly and get from point a to b in a hurry.

You mean it uses default gauges not panels. It was never meant to be a 100% simulated aircraft although it does fly on the numbers. IMO for the $$$ it's a very good deal. But hey there are many great freeware planes in the library to choose from it's all about downloading and testing....[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/betaimg.jpgAMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

I was following this thread for some time now without posting. I can't believe that noone has brought up the Cessna C310 CM from Dreamfleet. I have em all (421, 441, Bill Lyons little Piper, FSD Cheyenne, FSD Seneca) except the latest FSD stuff as I will never give them a dime again for personal reasons.Believe me: Especially if you like hand flying and a nice model Dreamfleet's CM beats them all by a wide margin. Although everything is a matter of taste of course. The CM has a retrofitted turbo charger, so it can go up to 28000 ft. But if you don't like that it can easily be changed to an aspirated engine without the turbo. You then have a plane that is ver forgiving and at the same time very interesting to fly. It even is capable of bush flying if you have the skills. I do that a lot in the Gorender sceneries.Just my 2 cents,Alex

Where can I find this Cessna C310 CM?I have considered the FSD Cheyenne. ONe thing about the FDS plane istheir simulation of damage and maintenance. What do you think about the FSD Cheyenne?

Where can I find this Cessna C310 CM?I have considered the FSD Cheyenne. ONe thing about the FDS plane istheir simulation of damage and maintenance. What do you think about the FSD Cheyenne?

The Cessna can be found under www.dreamfleet2000.com.I never liked the FSD damage simulation. It caused me a lot of problems with engines that could only be revived with a reinstall. I guess that is fixed now. I also did not find it too realistic with engines blowing up after 20 seconds of slamming the throttles. The Cheyenne was a very nice plane at the time it was released for FS2K2, but it is kinda old now and not really up to the high standards of today IMHO. I guess if you want to go with FSD you should take a look at the more recent releases.Alex

If you don't mind slow, and basic avionics: for me it's the Lyons' Apache. It just has a great, authentic feel to it. On top of that, there are all the add-on's, adventures etc. and it's as cheap as it gets for payware.

The information you are relaying here is incorrect Alex. While the damage model has been refined, you had the ability to just shut it off completely from day one if you experience problems with it. Then it will operate just like a conventional FS aircraft.http://www.fsd-international.com/team/TD_forum_sig.gif

>The information you are relaying here is incorrect Alex. >While the damage model has been refined, you had the ability>to just shut it off completely from day one if you experience>problems with it. Then it will operate just like a>conventional FS aircraft.>But don't the convential FS aircrafts do have som damage modelling?How has the damage model been refined?Do I understand things correctly if I assume that you can't removedamage from aircraft from within FS, but have to reinstall the plane?If so that is really stupid. What if you crash?

I have blown the engines in my cheyenne by forgetting to pull back the condition lever. The plane was repaired using the manager utility that comes with the plane. Kind of fun, and makes you pay much more attention to the engines and their proper management - very realistic in my opinion. The plane does not have to be reinstalled after such an occurance - that is totally inaccurate.Best,sg