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Hello Fellow Flight Simmers,

 

When trying to add Victor Airways or Jet Airways to my flightplans I keep getting a message on the CDU that says "Not in Data Base". The Airways that I'm trying to select are visible on the Flight Simulator map view page. The only one I've ever successfully is UL620 from PMDG 737NGX Totutorial 1. I have installed PMDG's 737-800/900 NGX Base Package SP1c but still, no luck.

 

When I first click on "FMC" on the CDU (Left), I do get a message on the CDU that says "NAV DATA out of date". I'm assuming this may have something to do with my problem. I thought that installing the new Service Pack would fix the problem, but it did not.

 

Can anyone please help with this?

 

Many thanks.

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Hi there,

 

You'll need to update your navdata. You can get this from Navigraph. Basically contains SIDs, STARs, transitions, approaches, airways, waypoints, you name it. Quite an important thing to have and it's good to always keep it up to date. In real life it's updated every month (28 days or so). Download it (payware - if you don't want to buy it there's probably an older freeware version kicking about somewhere), install it and you'll be good to go.

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You should be able to input ALL the ones in tutorial flights - those use the database that is prepackaged with the plane.

 

If you get this message with other tutorial airways, you probably have a corrupted database installation. I guess deleting PMDG/Navdata folder, and using Repair option on the installer should help.

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The reason why you see airways on the FSX flight planner that the NGX FMS does not know about is that those airways do not exist in real life any longer, and therefore does not exist in the external navdata used by the PMDG NGX as well. FSX's built in navigational data is very old now, and contains many fixes, airways and beacons that no longer exist in real life. This is one of the reason its recommended that people dont use FSX built in flight planner for planning flights.

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Stupid question I know, but I don't want to corrupt anything.

I already have upto date databases (or I should say "nearly" upto date as they are a month or so behind) They are for other "products" but can they be used for NGX 737? If so what exactly do I do with them? I don't really want to "duplicate" the same data in several folders, so how do I go about installing the data for the NGX?

 

Thanks in advance.

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You normaly can't use another publishers Navdatabase with PMDG software. PMDG products share the same data base, which you can find in your FSX/PMDG folder. If you use Navigraph you maybe want to download the data base made for PMDG.

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So my existing Navigraph database is NOT compatible with the PMDG NGX 737 database? Well that sucks. I'm not going to buy the same data TWICE just for compatibility, that's just a waste of money.

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Nonono, as I understood Navigraph you only buy the Cyle. You should then be able to download it in all formats they support.

E.g.: You buy cycle 1206 and you can download it for PMDG and all the other Publishers they support. Atleast thats what I understood.

EDIT: Navigraph sells cycles and you can download all the databases (PMDG, CS, whatever) for the cyle i you want.

However you can't use the CS database with PMDG aircraft.

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Sometimes I get that error when I try to start a flight plan with a jet airway. Start your flight plan with a direct to fix that is on the airway then you can input the via airway on the right side. You should have hundreds of airways in the default database.

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I may be wrong on this, but normally you don't enter airways into the FMC.

It won't recognize them. You have to enter the waypoints used in the airway

that you want to fly. It doesn't recognize the airway, say if you tried to punch in

say "J81" or whatever, but all the waypoints that are along that airway are in the

database.

So... The way I see it, upgrading the database will not change anything. It will

still not see the jet airway, if one tries to directly enter it.

If I'm wrong, maybe someone will provide better info. But I do know, I never

directly enter a jet airway when planning a flight. I enter all the waypoints

along that airway. As far as airways and their waypoints, I doubt too much

has changed since the database from last year. So unless it's a new one,

or one that has changed, the waypoints are in there.

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We do enter airways, they should all be recognised. Airways entered on the left (VIA) then last point to go to on that airway on the right.

 

I wouldn't fancy entering every single waypoint on a four hour flight to Fuerteventura... Checking correct airways have been entered is also part of our route check before we set off.

 

Don't know where you got the info of not entering airways in the FMC, but it's not right.

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no you enter airways in the RTE Legs page. Airways go on the left and the fix goes on the right

 

ah Tom beat me to it

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Yeah. A draw with Villa sure makes them look scary

 

Although neither will losing to the pistols er I mean Gunners.

 

Maybe I should change my profile pic, everyone pics on the liverpool fans lol

 

Lee

 

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We do enter airways, they should all be recognised. Airways entered on the left (VIA) then last point to go to on that airway on the right.

 

I wouldn't fancy entering every single waypoint on a four hour flight to Fuerteventura... Checking correct airways have been entered is also part of our route check before we set off.

 

Don't know where you got the info of not entering airways in the FMC, but it's not right.

 

OK.. I think I may see why it would not work when I tried it.. I don't recall entering the last point

on the airway. I was on the "legs" page when I tried to do it.. Pretty sure anyway..

I'll have to tinker with this later.. Most of the time, I'm usually punching in the routes as I get

them from flightware, or wherever. Those don't include the airways used. So maybe that's why

I got in the habit of not punching them in. I know I had tried it before, with the same results as

the OP.. Not in database..

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You sure routes in flightaware dont have airways? I dont fly stateside much, but I recall I almost always used routes...

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I think some do, some don't.. I believe I've seen some show airways before they are "decoded"

or whatever, but the decoded versions are all waypoints.

Maybe one reason it hasn't bothered me much is the majority of my flights are pretty short,

and even punching in all the waypoints is not that big a deal.. But it would be handy to do a

few shortcuts on the long haul routes.

I'll try doing it on the RTE page. I guess that's why I couldn't get them to work. I'm pretty

sure I was trying to punch them in on the LEGS page. That's where I usually edit my plans.

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Hi there,

 

You'll need to update your navdata. You can get this from Navigraph. Basically contains SIDs, STARs, transitions, approaches, airways, waypoints, you name it. Quite an important thing to have and it's good to always keep it up to date. In real life it's updated every month (28 days or so). Download it (payware - if you don't want to buy it there's probably an older freeware version kicking about somewhere), install it and you'll be good to go.

 

Hello,

 

Thanks for you reply. I've joined NAVIGRAPH and have updated my nav data base. Another member forum reply showed me that Airways go on the left side of the ROUTE page, and waypoints (like VOR's etc) go on the right. Thanks again.

 

Jaime

 

You should be able to input ALL the ones in tutorial flights - those use the database that is prepackaged with the plane.

 

If you get this message with other tutorial airways, you probably have a corrupted database installation. I guess deleting PMDG/Navdata folder, and using Repair option on the installer should help.

 

Hello,

 

Thanks for yout reply. I've joined NAVIGRAPH and have updated my nav data base. And I'll definite stay away from the FS built in flight planner. Thanks for the tip.

 

Jaime

 

Stupid question I know, but I don't want to corrupt anything.

I already have upto date databases (or I should say "nearly" upto date as they are a month or so behind) They are for other "products" but can they be used for NGX 737? If so what exactly do I do with them? I don't really want to "duplicate" the same data in several folders, so how do I go about installing the data for the NGX?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Hi,

 

I can't really comment on databases for "other products". The only way I updated mine is with www.navigraph.com .Hope this helps.

 

Jaime

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Sometimes I get that error when I try to start a flight plan with a jet airway. Start your flight plan with a direct to fix that is on the airway then you can input the via airway on the right side. You should have hundreds of airways in the default database.

 

Thanks Fritz,

 

Part of my problem was that my nav data base was out of date. Problem fixed. By the way, the Airways go on the left side on the ROUTE page, and the fixes go on the left. I learned that the hard way :)

 

Thanks again,

Jaime

 

I may be wrong on this, but normally you don't enter airways into the FMC.

It won't recognize them. You have to enter the waypoints used in the airway

that you want to fly. It doesn't recognize the airway, say if you tried to punch in

say "J81" or whatever, but all the waypoints that are along that airway are in the

database.

So... The way I see it, upgrading the database will not change anything. It will

still not see the jet airway, if one tries to directly enter it.

If I'm wrong, maybe someone will provide better info. But I do know, I never

directly enter a jet airway when planning a flight. I enter all the waypoints

along that airway. As far as airways and their waypoints, I doubt too much

has changed since the database from last year. So unless it's a new one,

or one that has changed, the waypoints are in there.

 

Hello,

 

Problem solved. I was trying to enter the airways on the wrong side of the ROUTE page. Airways are entered on the left side, and waypoints (like VOR's, FIXES, etc..) are entered on the right side. It really does indeed work, and is such a time savers. You should try. Good luck and thanks again.

 

Jaime

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We do enter airways, they should all be recognised. Airways entered on the left (VIA) then last point to go to on that airway on the right.

 

I wouldn't fancy entering every single waypoint on a four hour flight to Fuerteventura... Checking correct airways have been entered is also part of our route check before we set off.

 

Don't know where you got the info of not entering airways in the FMC, but it's not right.

 

Thanks,

Updating my nav database and knowing that airways go on left side of the ROUTE page, has really helped. Thanks again.

Jaime

 

no you enter airways in the RTE Legs page. Airways go on the left and the fix goes on the right

 

ah Tom beat me to it

 

Thanks Leel. :)

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Problem solved. I was trying to enter the airways on the wrong side of the ROUTE page.

 

 

Yep, it worked here too once I decided to use the RTE page... :)

Dunno how I missed that. My problem was trying to add them from the LEGS page.

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