So, It's really annoying when I am going to autoland the NGX, and I have to enter the waypoint to intercept the runway manually in the FMC everytime..and find it on the map.

 

For example, most of the time, I use Simroutes.com to load the waypoints as a file and load the rte file.

 

This is great, but it's not runway specific.

 

So, the route from KSEA to PANC would be

 

SEATL4 TOU J501 JOH YESKA3

 

But the waypoints for ILS runway 07L are

 

SEATL4 TOU J501 JOH YESKA SIBBS PANC

 

The only way I can find "SIBBS and PANC" is by spotting it on the MAP, and then entering it manually into the FMC....

 

Where can I get these waypoints before I start my flight?

 

Thanks

Check airnav.com and grab the charts. For the US pretty much everything is there.

You may need to learn how to program and save an actual SID/STAR. Then it will be permanently held in your FMC database.

 

Rgds,

 

 

Steve

I don't see anything about waypoints here

 

http://www.airnav.com/airport/PANC

 

or here

 

http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1211/01500ILD7L.PDF

 

You may need to learn how to program and save an actual SID/STAR. Then it will be permanently held in your FMC database.

 

Rgds,

 

 

Steve

 

I know what they do, I just don't know every single sid/star off the top of my head.

Pick the arrival or departure. Not just the plate.

Pick the arrival or departure. Not just the plate.

 

..what

 

Where do you do that?

You need to buy a book on instrument flying. Shop at Sportys Flight Shop online.

 

 

..what

 

Where do you do that?

 

Look at the bottom. Charts are clearly labeled as STARs IAP or Departure Procedures. Pick the one you need.

You need to buy a book on instrument flying. Shop at Sportys Flight Shop online.

 

There has to be an online recourse!

 

Look at the bottom. Charts are clearly labeled as STARs IAP or Departure Procedures. Pick the one you need.

 

this page http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1211/01500ILD7L.PDF has no waypoints or anything from what I see

 

-WAIT nevermind, I see it now.

 

Wasn't reading it clearly.

 

Thanks

There has to be an online recourse!

There is - the Instrument Flying Handbook.

http://www.faa.gov/l...-H-8083-15B.pdf

 

 

 

For what it's worth, you shouldn't have to manually enter in any waypoints into your route (in fact, doing so is not an approved way of flying an approach). To me, it seems like you're trying to do this all backwards. First, if you're flying in the United States, don't use SimRoutes. It still uses STARs that have been out of use for five years, depending on the airport. I'm assuming that's part of your issue if you're finding routes there. Use FlightAware.com instead.

 

As far as the approach goes, why are you entering these manually? Why not go to the DEP/ARR page and load it that way?

 

You might want to run through the tutorials a couple times. Break the habit of RTE files and learn how to do it yourself. You're missing out on a lot of the functionality by forcing yourself to use an outdated and inflexible tool (SimRoutes and RTE files).

 

Don't become a slave to the automation. Make it yours...learn it.

To be fair there are some arrivals or departures that are missing some of the waypoints. Atleast from Navigraph. Not a lot but there are some.

Summer1,

 

When you have a flightplan loaded if you go to the dep/arr page and click on the arrivals page for your destination, it should display, under your destination airport, a list of stars on the left side and a list of runways on the right. Once you are in the air (or activate/execute your flightplan on the ground at the departure airport), the arrival page may not display for awhile -- you will need to wait until you are fairly close to your arrival airport. (Arrivals for your departure airport will display in case you need to go back in an emergency). You should not need to have to manually write and your own STAR or final approach. They are all already in the FMC's database.

 

Once your arrivals are displaying for your destination airport, when you click on a runway on the right it should show the stars available for that runway on the left. But whether you choose a star or not the runway approach procedure should still be added at the end of your flight plan once you click on "execute." Sometimes the runway will have more than one transition listed under it. You will need a chart to decide which transition to choose if there is more than one. Runway approach charts for US Airports are available at Flightaware.com under the specific airport, under "IAPs" as others have said.

 

You may also have a problem if the data in your FMC is out of date, as Flightaware will have up to date information. Then the charts at Flightaware may not agree with the approaches available in your FMC. Up to date data for PMDG (and many other) aircraft is available at Navigraph for a modest fee.

 

Flightaware also has many full flightplans that often include the SID, enroute path and STAR, if you enter in your departure and arrival airports. These plans can be typed manually into your FMC. They generally won't show the departure runway or arrival runway, as these depend upon the wind.

 

I don't think you need to buy a book -- flightplan entry is certainly covered in the FMC documentation that comes with PMDG aircraft. I only have the FS9 737 Next Generation, but its documentation certainly explains how to enter arrivals.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Mike

There is - the Instrument Flying Handbook.

http://www.faa.gov/l...-H-8083-15B.pdf

 

 

 

For what it's worth, you shouldn't have to manually enter in any waypoints into your route (in fact, doing so is not an approved way of flying an approach). To me, it seems like you're trying to do this all backwards. First, if you're flying in the United States, don't use SimRoutes. It still uses STARs that have been out of use for five years, depending on the airport. I'm assuming that's part of your issue if you're finding routes there. Use FlightAware.com instead.

 

As far as the approach goes, why are you entering these manually? Why not go to the DEP/ARR page and load it that way?

 

You might want to run through the tutorials a couple times. Break the habit of RTE files and learn how to do it yourself. You're missing out on a lot of the functionality by forcing yourself to use an outdated and inflexible tool (SimRoutes and RTE files).

 

Don't become a slave to the automation. Make it yours...learn it.

 

Ok, I will check out flightaware. Looks pretty good.

 

And I have done the tutorial, however I just need the DATA, I know how to input it into the FMC.

 

You may also have a problem if the data in your FMC is out of date, as Flightaware will have up to date information. Then the charts at Flightaware may not agree with the approaches available in your FMC. Up to date data for PMDG (and many other) aircraft is available at Navigraph for a modest fee.

 

 

I have the latest update from NAVIGRAPH. (1211)

 

 

Flightaware also has many full flightplans that often include the SID, enroute path and STAR, if you enter in your departure and arrival airports. These plans can be typed manually into your FMC. They generally won't show the departure runway or arrival runway, as these depend upon the wind.

 

 

I created a Flightaware account, and created a new "Flightplan" for a test from KDEN to KMCI. The legs it gave me are:

 

KDEN MCK PWE RBA JUDAA BOWLR PEGGI HUGGY KMCI

 

​Haven't tested them out, but they still don't give me the runway sid/star specifically

 

Which was my original question.

Ok, I will check out flightaware. Looks pretty good.

 

And I have done the tutorial, however I just need the DATA, I know how to input it into the FMC.

 

 

 

I have the latest update from NAVIGRAPH. (1211)

 

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I created a Flightaware account, and created a new "Flightplan" for a test from KDEN to KMCI. The legs it gave me are:

 

KDEN MCK PWE RBA JUDAA BOWLR PEGGI HUGGY KMCI

 

​Haven't tested them out, but they still don't give me the runway sid/star specifically

 

Which was my original question.

 

I didn't mean for you to use Flightaware to generate flightplans, but rather to find existing ones. Here is one I just copied for KDEN to KMCI from a Southwest flight:

PLAIN4 MCK J130 PWE RBA3

I don't have time to check at the moment, but pretty sure PLAIN4 is a SID from KDEN and RBA3 is a STAR for KMCI.

 

A key point: you need to enter the STAR (and the SID) on the DEP/ARR (Departure/Arrival) page after you have entered your departure and arrival airports A STAR may or may not be for a specific runway. If you enter the above flightplan, including choosing the RBA3 STAR on the DEP/ARR page of your FMC, you should see a list of runways on the right side. When you choose a landing runway, it should add the waypoints right down to the runway and also include the missed approach procedure as well.

 

Mike

A point to bear in mind is that while the majority of major airfields do have STARs, there are a number that don't, or that end prior to the final approach vector. One of my regular routes, EGKK-LOWS finishes at the SBG VOR where you can hold. the chart states that you are not to leave the hold at SBG until ATC give you vectors.

 

As to charts, I don't know about the USA but in the UK we have NATS and their website has free PDFs of all major UK airfields...

 

Here is an excellent example of a situation where good airmanship kicks in, including planning the route properly before you even 'set foot' in the aircraft:

 

If you don't use VATSim/IVAO or there is no controller online when you arrive at an airfield with no STAR, you can easily do what you'd do in real life and fly vectors using HDG and ALT HOLD (as directed by ATC or under your own care) to lead you to final approach at a logical distance and altitude. If there is an ILS, APP mode does not care about waypoints, it will engage and fly autoland purely using this function. The whole point of not using VNAV and LNAV once APP has initiated is to allow the pilot to set altitude and heading in case the need to perform a missed approach arises. So either way it's gotta come off full auto at some point! In the real world (and flying online) a controller will often take a pilot off the STAR and vector them in quicker where possible - so you should always be prepared to fly 'by hand' on HDG mode