Oh Alain and Jeff, like you both, but since when is a bit of irony an admission of guilt.

 

I do not admit any form of guilt, or if you believe only in black and white, then I admit no guilt whatsoever.

 

As to the jabs at morality, I had better let that pass. Moral police are the bane of this world and the cause of great harm in their inflexibilty.

 

I would urge you to stop patrolling these pages in your righteousness, it is up to us individually to check the documentation and decide for ourselves.

Oh Alain and Jeff, like you both,

 

:friends:

put black letters across the products advert stating CANNOT BE USED WITH P3d

 

In the case of Scenery Solutions and Flight 1 products, the product descriptions on the Flight 1 site (http://www.flight1.com), and on the DVDs, clearly state which flight simulator platform or platforms it is for. It is therefore unnecessary, and frankly a little silly, to suggest that they also need to list all the flight simulator platforms it is not for.

 

Jeff

I would urge you to stop patrolling these pages in your righteousness, it is up to us individually to check the documentation and decide for ourselves.

 

Sorry, but because of what seem like frequent cases of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the license agreement associated with the products, whenever I see a question or debate about whether Ultimate Terrain products can be used in Prepar3d (or any other flight simulator platform for that matter) I will point out that the current license for Ultimate Terrain products for FSX does not in any way provide for a license to also use them in Prepar3d (or any other flight simulator platform).

 

At some point this may change once it has been determined with the data providers of the commercial GIS data which Scenery Solutions licenses for use in its FSX products, that they can be used to develop products for other flight simulator platforms. We hope so, but currently parts of these agreements have strict requirements that limit the usage of the data only for entertainment use.

 

Jeff

Oh Alain and Jeff, like you both, but since when is a bit of irony an admission of guilt.

 

I do not admit any form of guilt, or if you believe only in black and white, then I admit no guilt whatsoever.

 

As to the jabs at morality, I had better let that pass. Moral police are the bane of this world and the cause of great harm in their inflexibilty.

 

I would urge you to stop patrolling these pages in your righteousness, it is up to us individually to check the documentation and decide for ourselves.

 

What a pedantic argument from developers. I can only presume they intend to release a "P3D compatible" (largely identical) version at a later date for which they will charge extra.

 

As for the jab at your morality...How utterly redundant. If you had a lack of morality you'd go and pirate the software.

 

How disgraceful and pedantic to see a developer attacking their own customers.

 

Sorry, but because of what seem like frequent cases of misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the license agreement associated with the products, whenever I see a question or debate about whether Ultimate Terrain products can be used in Prepar3d (or any other flight simulator platform for that matter) I will point out that the current license for Ultimate Terrain products for FSX does not in any way provide for a license to also use them in Prepar3d (or any other flight simulator platform).

 

At some point this may change once it has been determined with the data providers of the commercial GIS data which Scenery Solutions licenses for use in its FSX products, that they can be used to develop products for other flight simulator platforms. We hope so, but currently parts of these agreements have strict requirements that limit the usage of the data only for entertainment use.

 

Jeff

 

Hi,

 

 

If you want people aware of this, why not have Avsim create a sticky for you? that way you're adhering to any legal obligations, and aren't also annoying your customers. Many, many people are swapping over to P3D, surely it's not a good idea to constant remind people of their inability to use your addons with the most up to date software?

 

I understand you feel that people need to know - but not repeatedly!

If you want people aware of this, why not have Avsim create a sticky for you?

 

They already do as noted in this link in the first message in this sticky at the top of this forum.

 

I understand you feel that people need to know - but not repeatedly!

 

... but if people repeatedly keep asking the question, do they not want it answered? Unfortunately not everyone who comes into this, or other forums, checks old posts or uses the search facility to see if the question has been asked and answered previously. I am not going to stop providing support to them just because I answered the question previously. I don't know of any other developer who would do that either.

 

Jeff

This is beginning to get bizarre.

 

"The EULA doesn't mean what it says, it means what we want it to mean." Somehow I don't think that's been tested in court.

 

If there's a blanket Flight1 ban on use of any of their products in P3D, then a lot of people need to rethink using OpusFSX.

 

If I bought a product for FS9, and it said, "For Flight Simulator 2004" in the EULA, there's no restriction saying I can't use it in FSX. That's the case here.

 

If you don't want UTX to be used in P3D, you'll need to put it in the EULA. Of course, it might get interesting if you want to take it to court for people who bought the product before you changed the EULA to specifically forbid use with P3D.

 

I don't have P3D and I don't anticipate getting it before version 2.0 is stable. But someone recommended UTX to me. After a bit of research, I find mixed reviews and an odd stance from the developer. If the developer wants to forbid use in P3D, whether it's spelled out in writing or not, I'm going to give it a pass. I might still have tried it even with the mixed reviews, but after reading your posts here (and I have to assume you're part of Scenery Solutions), it looks like a no-go for me.

 

Hook

Jeff, I have nothing but respect for you guys. You make a good product and your explenation of why you just can't sell UTX for P3D is perfectly understandable. However, would academic use not be allowed? In my country most public GIS data is allowed for private and academic use, but understandably not commercial use.

I just don't get this, seriously....somebody from Scenery Solution is here telling you that you are not allowed to use their products with P3D, can't be clearer then that, can it be?....

 

A fast fix will be for Scenery Solution to make an upgrade to their products including a patch disabling (in what ever way that can be) the use of their products with P3D...now what?

 

Here http://forum.avsim.net/topic/388792-user-poll-your-flight-sim-of-choice/ and how many of you P3D users still use FSX...

 

Have you forget what will happen if you want to upgrade to P3D 2.0 and use the full DX11 capability....yeap! you will have to start all over again...

Have you forget what will happen if you want to upgrade to P3D 2.0 and use the full DX11 capability....yeap! you will have to start all over again...

 

Can't wait! As of now P3D has nothing to offer me that I can't have in FSX, so if 2.0 is a real upgrade I'll be first in line to get it. Couldn't care less about backwards compatibility, just as I never cared to use FS2004 addons in FSX.

Can't wait! As of now P3D has nothing to offer me that I can't have in FSX, so if 2.0 is a real upgrade I'll be first in line to get it. Couldn't care less about backwards compatibility, just as I never cared to use FS2004 addons in FSX.

 

Totally agree, lets see when this will happen....

Hey guys, I'm happy to let the EULA debate lie, now that I know that Alain and Jeff are part of the furniture.

 

But are we now to enter a systematic destruction of P3D. Let me repeat, FSX and P3D on a modern powerful computer are much the same. For me P3D requires fewer tweaks and runs smoother not faster (fps is at times a macho count), but for others that is not so.

 

Each to his own: Alain; I apologise that I have forgotten the French equivalent.

Now I find To Each His Own came from a 1964 Olivia de Havilland film - although Wiki says that there is a Latin tag for it as well.

 

A chacun son

Each to his own: Alain; I apologise that I have forgotten the French equivalent.

 

LOL that's ok Ian, you can't be perfect.... :drinks:

If there's a blanket Flight1 ban on use of any of their products in P3D, then a lot of people need to rethink using OpusFSX.

 

No one has said that there is a blanket ban on using Flight 1 products in P3D. Each product page on the Flight 1 web-site and on the product DVDs clearly state which flight simulation platforms it is for.

 

If I bought a product for FS9, and it said, "For Flight Simulator 2004" in the EULA, there's no restriction saying I can't use it in FSX. That's the case here.

 

Not true. If you explicitly state in the EULA which flight sim platform it is for, that establishes the restriction.

 

If you don't want UTX to be used in P3D, you'll need to put it in the EULA.

 

Again, this is not needed. The explicit naming of the flight sim platform it is for in the EULA establishes the restriction. It is unnecessary, and silly, to expect a EULA at the time of drafting to list all the flight sim platforms, both past and present, it is not licensed for e.g. X-Plane, Rise of Flight, IL-2 Sturmovik, etc..

 

Jeff

 

However, would academic use not be allowed? In my country most public GIS data is allowed for private and academic use, but understandably not commercial use.

 

In this case, as noted in a previous reply, UTX products are based primarily on GIS data from commercial data providers, so there is no opportunity to open the debate on academic/private/home/commercial/whatever usage of public GIS data.

 

Jeff