This is just many differing opinions on a touchy subject. ANY diverse group will have the same. It's not us, it's not the community nor is it AVSIM, it's just human nature. We have a LOT of armchair lawyers attempting to interpret a possibly intentional ambiguous EULA. That's what "they" pay lawyers for. Somewhere down the line this will be resolved. Just for kicks - read ANY EULA and look for the words "can be used" and "may be used" and "must be used" and consider the implications, under the law, of those differing words. One might consider the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. You are using your own system so do what YOU determine to be the best course for you - then just shut up about it and let others make their own decisions. You are not wrong and they are not wrong.

EULA's aside, I would not install UTX into Prepar3D. There is plenty of evidence in other scenery forums that there are conflicts with UTX and their scenery that is made for Prepar3D. Usually it's texture clashes. Users that had UTX installed along with FSDT and FlightBeam Studios products installed reported problems with their airports. They uninstalled UTX and their problems disappeared. There are also conflicts between Orbx scenery's made for P3D and UTX, missing water bodies etc, etc. UTX is old, scenery made for P3D is not, so it is more likely you will have problems than not. Since UTX is not permitted to be used in P3D you will get no support or assistance. You will be on your own with the problems.

 

As for Prepar3D compliant products I recommend the CLS Bae 146 distributed through JustFlight. I only purchase higher quality aircraft and I find nothing of serious concern with this aircraft and you will get full support on the CLS forums for any issues in P3D. A update was just released recently from CLS for some reported glitches. I believe it is of the same quality and complexity as the QW equivalent if you take developer loyalty out of the equation.

 

I also recommend My Traffic 3D for AI traffic in P3D. I used Ultimate Traffic X with FSX but "G" canned it with the move to Prepar3D. Again its use is prohibited within P3D by Flight1 and aside from flight plans, has not seen an update in many years. My Traffic 3D is fully Prepar3D supported and its developer has released many updates in the last year, including updating and improving many aircraft such as turboprops. More updates in the near future are also anticipated by its developer. If you don't like the supplied aircraft, substitutions you prefer are easy to install. It also includes military and cargo, which Ultimate Traffic does not.

 

My point is why fight the issue. Use products that are permitted and supported by their developers to be used within Prepar3D. You will have a much more enjoyable experience with Prepar3D and you will be moving forward in the simulation environment. Third party developers that have moved on are doing well, that speaks enough for its self.

 

Water takes the path of least resistance. I recommend the same be applied when it comes to supporting third party developers that support Prepar3D. By following this principle, my flight simulation experience is enjoyable and rather problem free. Choose products that are fully supported in Prepar3D and conversations such as this become moot and pointless.

 

Merry Christmas to all!

highiron ,well said ,bang on ,could not agree more ,but would like to see developers dual site products for us to purchase from ,so I do not find my self boycotting a good program due to me not wanting to support a particular company who does not want to support me or P3d ,so you developer guys who have spent time and money to produce P3d compatable products ,please give me choice where I purchase from JUST FLIGHT seem nice poeple to do business with ,as I do not want to purchase from 1 particular company(this would also give developers more info on how well the non P3d interest companies are at promoting there products eggs in one basket and all that) ,on a more positive note maybe we should list and reccomend products that are made P3d suitable and there alternatives so we do not corrupt our P3D sims trying to load crap add ons (not designed to make the best of P3d ),that most likly slow it down or corrupt existing ok files therby giving us hidden issues and a bad P3d experience ,lets get behind suitable P3d developers and help them be succesful ,I bet they would not mind a few hundred more sales from us ,lets face it the poeple that really know if their product will be good with P3d are the blokes who wrote the programs

 

happy new year

peter

Now we need to know what the licensing restrictions are. Was it for a specific platform only? Was it for non-commercial use only? Was it for entertainment use only? The exact wording would affect whether UTX could be used with the academic version of P3D. Speculation is useless here, we need the exact restriction, and the same restriction should be spelled out in the EULA. Of course, this is probably company confidential.

 

You may want to know but you have no need, or right, to know. All you need to know is that the product is licenced for FSX

You may want to know but you have no need, or right, to know. All you need to know is that the product is licenced for FSX

 

I already know all I need to know, and that is that the wording of the EULA does not prohibit the use with P3D. I guess you think the licensing restrictions with the providing company should be confidential as well. This isn't for my benefit, or for yours, but for Solution System's benefit.

 

Hook

Larry, when you go to a after market auto parts department counter to buy a part for your car and the salesman is telling you that the part you want to buy is made to be used on a Toyota only will you ask him to show you where it is written that you can not to use this particular part on other cars not made by Toyota..... you know you won't ???

 

It is crystal clear to me what Jeff is saying here and what platform UTX is to be used on, YOU just want to use UTX on P3D no matter what, because you already got it and pay for it or maybe because you just don't care and does not want to be told how to use UTX if you buy it....wich one is it?

 

Will it not be easier just to "man up" and say "I know what this product is made for and to be used with but I don't care I'll do what ever I want anyway".

 

Be safe flying.

Alain, I'm not talking about the actual use of the product, only pointing out that such use is not prohibited by the EULA. If they want to prohibit the use outside FSX, it needs to be specified in the EULA.

 

As for your Toyota example, I'm not aware that such car parts are prohibited from use on other makes.

 

But I can give you a real world example of the same thing. IBM licensed its Selectric typewriter technology to Remington, but the flexible metal band that operated the shift function was decidedly substandard. The owner of the typewriter shop where I was doing computer contracting went to an IBM facility to buy some normal bands, which fit the Remington exactly. Near the end of the transaction, the IBM salesperson asked the obligatory question if the bands were going to be used on IBM branded machines. My boss replied, "Of course they are, but you know it's illegal for you to even ask me that." Note: the bands were for Remington machines. If you consider this an ethics problem, be aware that my boss could have made MORE money by constantly replacing the bands with the substandard ones.

 

Software licenses are obviously different, but to paraphrase Will Rogers, "All I know is what I read in the EULA."

 

Hook

Larry, the bottom line is this, for some peoples here, what ever is written or not in the Eula won't change one thing.

 

They will keep arguing not matter what for the reason I explained above, 1: they already have the product or 2: they are thinking about buying it and will use it not matter what the Eula says.

 

For some no matter what will be written they won't' care.

Avsim seemed like the perfect place to learn from those who were doing this long before me.

 

Good to see you again though Bill. Missed your contributions and level headed posts.

 

Kind regards,

Larry, the bottom line is this, for some peoples here, what ever is written or not in the Eula won't change one thing.

 

For those people, it won't matter what you write here. I'm not writing for them, but for the UTX developer.

 

If, at some point in the future, I decide to buy P3D, I'll be checking all my downloads for compatibility, whether real software or licensing restrictions. I will abide by the intent of the software developers concerning use with P3D, and if some products require a license upgrade I'll make the decision at that time whether to use them in P3D. I don't mind retiring a product I don't use much, and for those I can't use in P3D I'll be keeping FSX on my system anyway.

 

But I won't research a product I already own to the extent I will a product that I'm thinking about buying, so any licensing restrictions need to be pretty obvious. For products I'm researching to buy now, I'll be looking at all restrictions. In the case of UTX, I won't be buying it for various reasons.

 

Hook

Fair enough Larry.

Fair enough Larry.

 

I was active in a modding community for The Sims. Most of the people in that community took great pride in the fact that they'd never paid for a single piece of software, ever. They had The Sims 3 two weeks before it appeared on store shelves, so by the time it was available for purchase a lot of the major mods had already been written. There is literally nothing you can say or do to change these people's minds. I was there for the mods, which were very good for Sims 2 but went a direction didn't like for Sims 3, so I started using mods from other developers, who had learned to make better Sims 3 mods than the ones we had for Sims 2. I didn't use any of their pirated stuff, but never bought any payware either; a lot of the freeware available was of higher quality anyway.

 

The only good thing about this community was that their gameplay mods, which tended to be very high quality, were always offered for free, and this extended to the newer Sims 3 gameplay modders as well.

 

If the FSX community was as big as The Sims community, we'd have several freeware versions of the 737 NG that would make PMDG's current offering look like a video game.

 

Hook

only pointing out that such use is not prohibited by the EULA. If they want to prohibit the use outside FSX, it needs to be specified in the EULA.

 

No it doesn't. If it states it's licenced for FSX then that is what it is licenced for. Can you quote the section of the EULA that you claim licences it for P3D?

No it doesn't. If it states it's licenced for FSX then that is what it is licenced for. Can you quote the section of the EULA that you claim licences it for P3D?

 

Can you quote the section of the EULA that states it's prohibited for use on other platforms?

 

Hook

Can you quote the section of the EULA that states it's prohibited for use on other platforms?

 

You seem to misunderstand how licences work. It isn't necessary to state what it isn't licenced for. only what it is licenced for. If it states it's licenced for FSX and no other application is mentioned then that FSX is the only application it's licenced for.

 

Driving licences state the types of vehicles that may be driven. They don't state what types of vehicles can't be driven. you drive a type of vehicle for which you're not licenced the excuse "my licence doesn't say I can't drive it" won't impress the police,