Can you please direct me to any place in the default scenery of P3D that is superior to FSX - default. I haven't seen that and would really like to since I've done numerous screenshot comparisons and found none so far, except for Norfolk, Virginia.

 

Pretty much all of it is superior to the default FSX. The built-up areas especially. Night lighting is improved also. I own both, and made certain comparisons. FSX lost big time, and has now been completely uninstalled.

 

 

 

And in particular, UTX adds and corrects an awful lot of stuff necessary for basic VFR flight outside of more developed areas. Roads, rivers, lakes, shorelines. Unless P3D corrects these I'd still call UTX a must add.

 

Scott

 

I've never used UTX for VFR, so can't comment. I tend to favour Megascenery X for VFR flying.

Mr. McPhail, as noted in the EULA, the decision to what the EULA means lies with the developers and distributors of the products and the appropriate court of law under which it is governed. It is not for individual interpretation by the end-user. As noted, if you have any questions about what is and is not allowed under this EULA (and those other products like GEX distributed by Flight 1) then you can contact the developers and/or distributor. When you do, you will be told that the use of the UTX and GEX products for FSX are currently not permitted in Prepar3d (or any other flight simulator product) at this time, though there may hopefully be new Prepar3d versions of them in the future.

 

Here are two posts from the official support forums which indicate what is currently allowed. For UTX and Prepar3d, for GEX and Prepar3d. I do not see how there can be any misinterpretation.

 

Jeff

I've never used UTX for VFR, so can't comment. I tend to favour Megascenery X for VFR flying.

 

I also use several of the Megascenery X packages, but they're very limited in coverage. If you fly where they cover - great. But the comparison was to defaults.

 

To be clear, I'm not currently using P3D, but unless P3D significantly and broadly upgrades default scenery in terms of accuracy outside of heavily developed areas (something I've never seen in any comparison), I can't imagine how installing UTX wouldn't improve P3D, especially for VFR flight.

 

Scott

Jeff: no I simply do not intend to enter this debate. If someone sells me an item in good faith and I use it, in good faith, in my setting the suppliers are well exculpated. And with so many developers and publishers now making installers for P3D there will be a long line at the Courthouse well before any process servers ever get to me.

Jeff: no I simply do not intend to enter this debate. If someone sells me an item in good faith and I use it, in good faith, in my setting the suppliers are well exculpated. And with so many developers and publishers now making installers for P3D there will be a long line at the Courthouse well before any process servers ever get to me.

 

Sooooo.... they could get to you......"somebody just shot himself in the foot."

Well Ian, you talk about good faith when clearly you don't care much about the good faith that developers and distributors put into their product for use in the conditions they determined in good faith to be appropriate for it based on business and legal reasons.

 

So while you don't wish to enter into a debate, your posts clearly indicate the personal code of morality and ethics you operate under.

 

Jeff

here we go again.......

quantumleap please tell me what company you are so I wont purchase any of you companies products,mistakenly thinking in all good faith your company does not really mind me using your Product in My P3d Sim,I could purchase in good faith thinking its not an issue,and then find myself in trouble that's not really good for me is it and not really ethical on your part, Do you really think you are being honest/ethical hiding behind a made up name throwing legalistic crap about ,If you don't want your products being used with P3d simply state your companies name and products, put black letters across the products advert stating CANNOT BE USED WITH P3d etc then do what one other company has done , offer product update and block its use in P3d ,I know where I stand with the other company and after discussing it with 20/30other P3d simmers mates that I know ,we no longer purchase any thing produced under that companies banner ,we never visit there site ,I spent hrs researching there stuff,I had spent approx £500 in a year with that company £500 per person x 30 = ? ,my friends have our own EULA we no longer purchase anything from them ,I do not want to break any law ,you people are doing nothing but whine /try to frighten people ,I think if this is such a problem to certain developers /suppliers then have the balls to stand up and say so! I will help you ,1-Get together ,2=form a committee 3=make a post stating your companies names and products ,Stating that we as a honest /ethical group are so concerned about us allowing our products to be used to maybe break the law ?, we have crippled the following products stopping there use in P3d ,Be honest act honest ,whatever you sell its only a add-on after all nobody really needs it ,after all if we don't buy it you have no problem ,you also have no money ,well that's your real problem

Have a happy Xmas and a wonderful P3d year

Pretty much all of it is superior to the default FSX. The built-up areas especially. Night lighting is improved also. I own both, and made certain comparisons. FSX lost big time, and has now been completely uninstalled.

 

Can you please provide some proof of these superiority claims of yours? I just made these screenshots tonight and I can se NO difference between P3D and FSX default scenery other than a slight color cast difference: http://simmerhead.wordpress.com/p3d-vs-fsx/

 

FYI:

1) FSX had lower water settings than P3D, and

2) P3D had higher (4096) texture resolution than FSX (1024),

while doing these screenshots. Otherwise settings were equal.

Can you please provide some proof of these superiority claims of yours? I just made these screenshots tonight and I can se NO difference between P3D and FSX default scenery other than a slight color cast difference: http://simmerhead.wo...com/p3d-vs-fsx/

 

FYI:

1) FSX had lower water settings than P3D, and

2) P3D had higher (4096) texture resolution than FSX (1024),

while doing these screenshots. Otherwise settings were equal.

 

Why would I waste my time? I no longer have FSX on my hard drive and I am not going to install it just to create some screen shots. I have my opinion, you have yours.

 

I am going to enjoy a flight in P3D. The OP asked a specific question regarding UTX and GEX. I suggest we let the thread return to that.

 

 

Why would I waste my time? I no longer have FSX on my hard drive and I am not going to install it just to create some screen shots. I have my opinion, you have yours.

 

I am going to enjoy a flight in P3D. The OP asked a specific question regarding UTX and GEX. I suggest we let the thread return to that.

 

It's not a matter of opinion, but of spreading false information. You are claiming that P3D has superior default scenery over FSX when it in fact hasn't. That is doing a disservice to the simming community.

 

Operating and configuring these sims is hard enough allready. Why would you waste people's time giving them wrong advice?

 

The OP wanted advice if UTX was worth getting in relation to the default P3D scenery, and yes it is worth getting if you want better accuracy of landclass, coastlines, roads, lakes, rivers etc. since P3D offers no upgrading of the default ESP/FSX scenery, except for Downtown Norfolk, Virginia.

It's not a matter of opinion, but of spreading false information. You are claiming that P3D has superior default scenety over FSX when it in fact hasn't. That is doing a disservice to the simming community.

 

Operating and configuring these sims is hard enough allready. Why would you waste people's time giving them wrong advice?

 

The OP wanted advice if UTX was worth getting in relation to the default P3D scenery, and yes it is worth getting if you want better accuracy of landclass, coastlines, roads, lakes, rivers etc. since P3D offers no upgrading of the default ESP/FSX scenery, except for Downtown Norfolk, Virginia.

 

Your opinion versus my opinion. This is what I love about the internet. You come across all kinds of varied people. I offered my opinion to the OP. The OP can choose whether to accept it or not. As far as you are concerned, I think you are taking this a little bit too seriously, and maybe you should get out more. Meet some real people.

Your opinion versus my opinion. This is what I love about the internet. You come across all kinds of varied people. I offered my opinion to the OP. The OP can choose whether to accept it or not. As far as you are concerned, I think you are taking this a little bit too seriously, and maybe you should get out more. Meet some real people.

 

UTX corrects some very specific deficiencies in FSX default scenery, as simmerhead enumerates. I've never seen any evidence that those same corrections aren't valid for P3D. If you have evidence to the contrary...

 

The last bit is completely uncalled for.

 

Scott

If you have evidence to the contrary...

 

The last bit is completely uncalled for.

 

As I explained previously, I have uninstalled FSX and have no intention to re-installing it to prove a point. I have a right to express my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.

 

The last bit being uncalled for? How would you describe the use of language such as "..spreading false information..." or "...doing a disservice..."?

Actually I'd have to say that it's not really a matter of opinion. P3D either upgraded default FSX scenery or it didn't. On their website it claims that millions of sq kms of terrain have been made more realistic. I suppose that could just be a few select areas, but it doesn't look like that default P3D has more accurate roads, rivers etc.....