Looks like this a/c will be here for a while.

 

http://www.boston.co...oDgI/story.html

 

http://www.businessw...round-in-boston

The 787's been having quite a few issues lately.

The 787's been having quite a few issues lately.

 

Teething pains--happens with virtually every new airliner. New airliners are released so seldom that such issues are easily forgotten with past airliners. What I wonder about, is how the 787 will hold up after thousands of cycles--will unforeseen issues in its composite construction crop up. OTH, composite civilian aircraft have been around a while. The Allegro I trained in had a metal wing, but a composite fuse. I asked my CFI what would happen to it over time, since it wasn't hangared and kept tied down instead (I live in Arizona, and the sun will melt your skin off if you aren't careful). He told me he did not know--perhaps he would go to preflight one day and only see "puddle of Allegro". That image stuck in my head and made me wonder about how composites will do in the Airline industry.

 

John

New airliners are released so seldom that such issues are easily forgotten with past airliners.

True. Still, it's painful to see such an ambitious, highly anticipated project run into these bumps. I wish Airbus good luck with the A350.

 

see "puddle of Allegro". That image stuck in my head and made me wonder about how composites will do in the Airline industry.

I wonder whether it would be significantly worse for an airline with a dark livery, such as the Air New Zealand All Blacks livery. It's stylish, but is probably not very efficient when it comes to air conditioning.

I wonder whether it would be significantly worse for an airline with a dark livery, such as the Air New Zealand All Blacks livery. It's stylish, but is probably not very efficient when it comes to air conditioning.

 

Not sure if the 787 will come in an 'All Black' livery but that livery is just commemorative and not part of the actual fleet. I would doubt very much that a 787 will come in an All Black scheme because at this point ANZ has been waiting more the patiently for its 787's. Reports from ANZ with the four 'All Black' aircraft is heat hasn't been an issue at all, and at cruise altitude it is too cold to worry about it anyway. The only one that may get too hot is the 777 when it is on the tarmac in KLAX on the ANZ1 route, but it only sits there for a short period of time. Other then that New Zealand isn't really a hot country as we are a 'Temperate Climate'

True. Still, it's painful to see such an ambitious, highly anticipated project run into these bumps. I wish Airbus good luck with the A350.

 

 

I wonder whether it would be significantly worse for an airline with a dark livery, such as the Air New Zealand All Blacks livery. It's stylish, but is probably not very efficient when it comes to air conditioning.

 

Having an all dark livery can have a significant effect, especially if you fly to hot places. The black area of the flag on the Emirates livery apparently caused some problems on the early A380s, all fixed now. When designing an aircraft a black plane sitting under the sun in the desert is one of the temperature extremes considered (the other one being cruise altitude), skin temperature can reach about 80 Celsius.

 

Regarding the OP, the important question of course is, would we have heard about this if had happened to a 767 rather than a 787? Yes the 787 is probably having teething troubles, but if something happens to a 787 the media is also more likely to report on it than if it happens to an older plane. Just because you hear about more 787 issues in the media doesn't necessarily mean the 787 is in fact having more issues.

On that note,Departing JAL 787 is shut down at end of KBOS runway with large fuel leak.

Reports from ANZ with the four 'All Black' aircraft is heat hasn't been an issue at all, and at cruise altitude it is too cold to worry about it anyway.

As you mentioned, aircraft temperature control issues occur less frequently with aircraft operating in temperate climates, but one example of the influence of climate on airline liveries involves US Airways, which supposedly updated its former business-blue livery (which I liked a lot) to its new one due to air conditioning inefficiencies.

 

Other then that New Zealand isn't really a hot country as we are a 'Temperate Climate'

You should be proud to live in such a beautiful country. Auckland and its neighbor, Sydney, must be two of the world's most beautiful, clean, and scenic major cities (at least among the ones I have been to). Too bad they are located somewhat far away from many other metropolises. East Oceania weather also seems to be refreshingly comfortable compared to the horribly humid weather of East Asia.

 

Regarding the OP, the important question of course is, would we have heard about this if had happened to a 767 rather than a 787? Yes the 787 is probably having teething troubles, but if something happens to a 787 the media is also more likely to report on it than if it happens to an older plane. Just because you hear about more 787 issues in the media doesn't necessarily mean the 787 is in fact having more issues.

New manufacturing defects similar to the ones the B787 is currently experiencing are much less likely to be discovered in the B767 due to its age. Obviously, if a serious defect had remained undetected for such a long period, it could be very newsworthy. Otherwise, I would imagine that the media would be less excited due to the logic "if it's an older plane, it's bound to start having more issues".

The 757 and 767 project was pretty straight forward compared to the 787 as those two aircraft are built on a lot of know-how at that time. The 787 is a complete re-invention of the wheel so to speak with new uses in composites and updated engine efficiencies. Not like the old loud and dirty engines they used to produce. But I do miss those 727's

 

I really like the 787's and recognize these problems as issues that will get sorted out. like been mentioned this is expected of any new product line. Also any aircraft really never stops having problems, this is true for every aircraft ever built.

 

<br />You should be proud to live in such a beautiful country. Auckland and its neighbor, Sydney, must be two of the world's most beautiful, clean, and scenic major cities (at least among the ones I have been to). Too bad they are located somewhat far away from many other metropolises. East Oceania weather also seems to be refreshingly comfortable compared to the horribly humid weather of East Asia.<br />

 

Thanks Mate....It is a pretty laid back place, I've been here almost 2 years now from living in North America, Glad I did it, but I still miss the USA and Canada.

There is a good thread over on PPRUNE, page 3,with a photo,and diagram.

http://www.pprune.or...ent-ground.html

To add salt in the wound, there was another failure of a JAL 787. This time brake problems!!

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...-days-1B7906402