These are all good points and yes, pilots do have a general idea of what approach they'll be using and STARS are always programmed ahead of time for fuel planning and other purposes. Having ridden cockpit jumpseat on many flights, mostly into KORD and KMDW, ATC routinely vectors you off the STAR (and yes back on it) in many cases. I suspect that this would not be the case at a less congested airport. As has been posted earlier, you should program a STAR that makes sense for your direction of arrival. Skyvector and Flightaware are great resources in this regard (for flights within the USA).

 

I wasn't disagreeing with you.  I was only clarifying just to make sure other people didn't assume certain things based on how you had written your post.  You'll note I even mentioned the vector off course and back onto the STAR earlier, too:

 

-In the United States, you file your STAR as part of the flight plan, and you are expected to execute (fly) it as filed.  ATC rarely vectors aircraft off of the STAR unless it is necessary (for sequencing mostly, and even then, they'll likely just place you back on it at a later point), and many of the US STARs end in vector legs so that the aircraft can be sequenced through vectoring.

 

 

 

 

As far as routinely vectoring off of STARs, it depends on the facility, and you have to consider what STAR was being flown (versus the STARs everyone else is flying from that direction).  Traffic load and fleet mixes on those STARs come into account, as well.

 

I wasn't disagreeing with you.  I was only clarifying just to make sure other people didn't assume certain things based on how you had written your post.  You'll note I even mentioned the vector off course and back onto the STAR earlier, too:

 

 

 

As far as routinely vectoring off of STARs, it depends on the facility, and you have to consider what STAR was being flown (versus the STARs everyone else is flying from that direction).  Traffic load and fleet mixes on those STARs come into account, as well.

No offense taken at all. They were all good points I should have made in my original post. Regards

 

 

No offense taken at all.

 

Good to know!  I know my posts can come across pretty gruff, especially when I haven't had caffeine yet that day... 

Hello,

 

I was planning EIDW to EHRD  (FL330)

 

Does this tool takes consideration of STAR with winds direction ?

 

thanks,

Regis

 

There is only one published chart for EHRD. It shows several individual STARS none of which depend on the runway in use.

Hello,

 

I was planning EIDW to EHRD  (FL330)

 

Does this tool takes consideration of STAR with winds direction ?

 

thanks,

Regis

 

When I try it I get:

 

EIDW SID LIFFY UL975 WAL UM16 DOLAS UL603 LAMSO STAR EHRD

 

 

SID > LIFFY. 

http://airh5.x10.mx/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/eidw_charts.pdf

 

CTRL+F and search for LIFFY and it's listed as a departure SID on those charts.

 

LAMSO>STAR.

 

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:otPPQTb1IBUJ:va-transaero.ru/files/charts/EHRD.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgw20cEFIpvtiR1XC8Uy3bLlpSvYji28H1-ZXifSg-zlOUlwgp9jBYNJ5EZuWHAxTsURcQwHttWOWTt8-SNjAtc24OewCQOHUwGGYQK7WroUBuux-zsFSJ_dq_Ymy42vBs8t8I4&sig=AHIEtbQWwAO90kWyqjGoGxKoiqSZAwBgBg

 

 

Again CTRL+F and search for LAMSO it's listed as well.

 

See my earlier post about how to chose the appropriate  SID/STAR. It does give you a SID/STAR just not what type of SID/STAR, as that it self depends on the runway in use etc, it doesn't take into account the winds. Since the initial SID/STAR navigation point won't change due to winds. 

 

F.Y.I The SID to use is after the word SID, and the STAR to use is before the word STAR (make sure you don't include the words SID/STAR in the actual flightplan you compile/file as this leads to errors!).

 

No, rfinder does not give you a SID/STAR at all. But it does make planning easier for you as it consider published entry/exit points so you can easily attach SID/STAR to your route. Of course, as any other generic planner, it's not perfect tool.

 

It does.

 

 

It does.

 

It doesn't

 

For example, you get Liffy exit point, but there are 4 LIFFY SIDs, and rfinder doesn't tell you which one to use.

See my earlier post about how to chose the appropiate SID/STAR. It does give you a SID/STAR just not what type of SID/STAR that it self depends on the runway in use etc.

 

There is only one EHRD STAR starting at LAMSO. It is designated LAMSO 2R (ICAO) and LAMS2R (ARINC). It does not vary with runway in use.

 

EDIT

 

LAMSO 2R terminates at an IAF at MASOS,

There is only one EHRD STAR starting at LAMSO. It is designated LAMSO 2R (ICAO) and LAMS2R (ARINC). It does not vary with runway in use.

 

EDIT

 

LAMSO 2R terminates at an IAF at MASOS,

 

On the chart I linked :

 

 

You would have to assume since there is no mention of runway specific stars on the set of charts, that after ROT you follow ATC vectors to the runway.

 

 

It doesn't

 

For example, you get Liffy exit point, but there are 4 LIFFY SIDs, and rfinder doesn't tell you which one to use.

 

You're half right, but is it so hard to look at the chart after finding out the departure runway and work out which SID to use? The easiest thing to use to work out which one to use is the FMC it self. In the DEP/ARR > DEP page, select the runway and the FMC will exclude any SIDS which cannot be used from that runway, so you only see the relevant ones. 

 

 

On the chart I linked :

 

Which is 10 years out of date.

 

On the current chart LAMSO 2R terminates at an IAF with a hold at MASOS. There is no route shown beyond there.

 

The chart is copyright so can't be reproduced here but it can be found on this site http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/

 

 

Which is 10 years out of date.

 

On the current chart LAMSO 2R terminates at an IAF with a hold at MASOS. There is no route shown beyond there.

 

The chart is copyright so can't be reproduced here but it can be found on this site http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/

 

Ok so it terminates at MASOS, lets say you're arrival runway is 24, on the runway  24 instrument approach chart it shows the route you must take from MASOS to approach sequence.

 

 

 

 

Ok so it terminates at MASOS, lets say you're arrival runway is 24, on the runway 24 instrument approach chart it shows the route you must take from MASOS to approach sequence.

 

It needs to be clearly understood that STARs and IAPs are different and serve different purposes.

 

Also the rules of this site don't permit publishing copyright information without permission - not even if you crop them to hide  "© Air Traffic Control the Netherlands"