Quick question, does anyone have an average figure of fuel uplift Using a single hose in kgs per minute, GPM, or pounds?

 

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I googled the answer and the closest answer i came up with is 15minutes to refuel a 733 to 14000kgs. Im almost sure the number would be different for a 738 but atleast it gives a ruff idea of the refuel rate. Im really curious though, why do you ask?

 

gideon belle

Well, if hose and pump are same, the rate should be same no matter if it's 733 or 738. By your informations thats about 155kg/s

Thanks for the quick response guys. The problem I had is the real world figures can vary quite a bit depending on equipment. Was hoping someone here who has worked at various airports could give an average estimate.

 

Am using some freeware software called fuel loader by a company called Simulation Hardware. It allows you to refuel in real time over a network and customise the transfer rate. A bit like the MD11 built in fuelling process.

 

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Thanks for the quick response guys. The problem I had is the real world figures can vary quite a bit depending on equipment. Was hoping someone here who has worked at various airports could give an average estimate.

 

Am using some freeware software called fuel loader by a company called Simulation Hardware. It allows you to refuel in real time over a network and customise the transfer rate. A bit like the MD11 built in fuelling process.

 

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NICE!! Just as i thought. I've been prowling the net looking for where I can download that program for a hot minute. Can you point me to where I can download it?

 

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gideon belle

I can send it to you, don't think it can be downloaded anymore. Send me a pm and I'll zip it up for you later today.

 

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Awesome, looking forward to that.

 

best regards

 

Gideon Belle

 

The problem I had is the real world figures can vary quite a bit depending on equipment.

 

Bingo.

 

With so many different trucks in use, it's hard to say.  A lot of the ones I used at DVT and BCB varied widely. What would take me a full 4 hours at BCB would take me about 1 at DVT, just because the trucks were a lot newer.

 

I'm not sure what you'd get on your dedicated pump trucks (the ones without a tank on the back that just suck from the ground well), but running at full bore one of our trucks would push about 100GPM.  That's only for the single point, though (which is what you'd use on a large aircraft anyway, but I figured I'd point it out).  Over wing, you'd have to use less, as the backsplash would get pretty nasty.

 

I'm betting the dedicated pump trucks will throw fuel on a little faster.  I'll ask one of the dispatchers if they know at my meeting in a few hours.

 

Just in case my phrasing doesn't make sense, when I say dedicated pump truck, I'm talking about one of these guys:

Folks,

here it's an example referred to a a 18000 liters of tank capacity (4755 USG) refueller adv

 

A 18,000L rigid refueller mounted on an ERF 6x2 chassis

The refueller is equipped with 2 x underwing hoses and 1 x overwing 

hose, single meter and filter monitor, enclosed in a weatherproof cabinet

The refueller conforms to latest European Standards EN12312-5 and JIG 

10 requirements 

Height: 3,400mm (excluding beacon)

Width: 2,900mm

Length: 10,650mm

Rigid ERF-ECT 10.35RDB3 6x2 right-hand drive, MAN D20 engine, 

manual gearbox, 260KW, 353hp, Registered May 1st 2005, gross weight 

26,000Kg, extended cab, ZF gearbox

2,000LPM through 2 x underwing reel hoses if used simultaneously

1,000LPM through 1 x underwing reel hose

300LPM through 1 x overwing reel hose

300LPM through 1 x underwing hose

1,500LPM

Gorman Rupp 06C Self-priming centrifugal pump (PTO driven)

Filter water monitor, carbon steel to API/IP 1583, max flowrate of 

2,000LPM

Avery Hardoll BM series bulk meter equipped with Veeder Root EMR3

electronic register and mechanical rate of flow indicator calibrated in litres 

and litres per minute 

Avery Hardoll BM series defuel meter equipped with Veeder Root 

mechanical register and mechanical rate of flow indicator calibrated in 

litres and litres per minute

Aviation hoses meeting EN1361 type ‘C’

2 x Ø50mm x 30m long

1 x Ø38mm x 30m long

 

Best Regards

Andrea Buono I 

Folks,

here it's an example referred to a a 18000 liters of tank capacity (4755 USG) refueller adv

 

A 18,000L rigid refueller mounted on an ERF 6x2 chassis

The refueller is equipped with 2 x underwing hoses and 1 x overwing

hose, single meter and filter monitor, enclosed in a weatherproof cabinet

The refueller conforms to latest European Standards EN12312-5 and JIG

10 requirements

Height: 3,400mm (excluding beacon)

Width: 2,900mm

Length: 10,650mm

Rigid ERF-ECT 10.35RDB3 6x2 right-hand drive, MAN D20 engine,

manual gearbox, 260KW, 353hp, Registered May 1st 2005, gross weight

26,000Kg, extended cab, ZF gearbox

2,000LPM through 2 x underwing reel hoses if used simultaneously

1,000LPM through 1 x underwing reel hose

300LPM through 1 x overwing reel hose

300LPM through 1 x underwing hose

1,500LPM

Gorman Rupp 06C Self-priming centrifugal pump (PTO driven)

Filter water monitor, carbon steel to API/IP 1583, max flowrate of

2,000LPM

Avery Hardoll BM series bulk meter equipped with Veeder Root EMR3

electronic register and mechanical rate of flow indicator calibrated in litres

and litres per minute

Avery Hardoll BM series defuel meter equipped with Veeder Root

mechanical register and mechanical rate of flow indicator calibrated in

litres and litres per minute

Aviation hoses meeting EN1361 type ‘C’

2 x Ø50mm x 30m long

1 x Ø38mm x 30m long

 

Best Regards

Andrea Buono I

I have no idea what all that up there is, but I worked at ASIG as a refueler on the Southwest line for a number of months...so I guess I'd be somewhat qualified to answer this.

 

A good average for a 737 is around 420gal/min. Sometimes more...sometimes less. Kyle, it doesn't matter whether you use a cart or a truck. The aircraft can only take so much fuel at a time. Our pump trucks were rated at 1200 gal/min, but the max I ever got out of one was 900 gal/min...and that was on a FedEx MD-11 with both hoses hooked up. (BTW, 900gpm is scary...like rocking the truck vibrating the crap out of you scary.) The smaller the aircraft, the less it could take. It also depended on what tanks you had opened. If I was fueling all 3 tanks on a 737, it would scream. As soon as 1 tank would get shut off, the rate slowed. Fueling only 1 tank was incredibly slow. There wasn't much difference in gpm rates on the equipment itself because it is regularly calibrated (like daily.) When you're playing with the airlines, time is money...and the last thing you want is a delay because your equipment wasn't pumping right.

 

Anyways, here's the best (and only) picture I have of us fueling a 737.

 

Hi,

 

In the FCOM SP12.2 it states:

 

Fuel pressure :

Apply from a truck or fuel pit. A nozzle pressure of 50 psi provides approximately 1136 liters / 300 U.S. gallons per minute

 

Maybe this is helpfull

 

Kyle, it doesn't matter whether you use a cart or a truck. The aircraft can only take so much fuel at a time. Our pump trucks were rated at 1200 gal/min, but the max I ever got out of one was 900 gal/min.

 

Cool - thanks for letting me know.  I kinda wish I had ya'll's trucks, but most of the Jet-A I did was over-wing, and I wouldn't have had a need for it.  The odd single-point that we'd get, it would've been nice, though.

1200GPM?!?!? Woah... are you sure?  At 50psi at the manifold you would be maybe see 300+GPM per hose on some aircraft.  Most trucks will only run at 40psi because they fuel several different types from RJs to A320s, 737s and A300s.  Especially if there are any DC-9s/MD80s in the mix because of the manifold construction.

 

It is different for every plane and it differs further depending on what tanks you are fueling. If there isn't fuel going into the center tank the over all rate is lower.  At 40psi this will be just over 200gpm and maybe 20 or so more if going into more than just the wing tanks.  A320s actually seem to take fuel a bit slower than most while 727s take fuel really fast.  Single hosing a 757 is torture because the fuel about as fast as an Embraer (140-150gpm).  I've not got experience with using two hoses...

 

For your program, I would say that 250gpm PER connection is a reasonable number to use on large aircraft.  Most large aircraft have at least two hook ups, 747s i believe have four.