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Upcoming PMDG 777

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Admittedly there probably this isn't an easy answer for my question, if there is one yet. Having skipped the 737NGX from PMDG in favor of the iFly 737 with an  installer for P3D, I'm considering purchasing the upcoming T7 from PMDG and using the migration tool that's been used quite effectively for the NGX. PMDG doesn't allow this but doesn't prevent it either. Does anyone know if a preventative measure will used by PMDG to disallow the installation of the T7 in P3D. If so, I may be exploring X-Plane sooner than I had originally planned, and go for the Vmax 777-200. My intentions have been to stick with one sim, but I simply must have at least one of these 777's in my hanger, and not a Captain Sim's.

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I have moved to X-Plane10 too, while also on DCS-World.

 

I did have the Migration tool, it worked, but it's definitely a violation of the EULA, and not something I want to do.

 

P3D is great, v2.0 may be interesting but, for the time being, I will not invest further in 1.4, nor in add-ons not fully P3D v1.4 compliant.

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My initial feeling is if they did not code the NGX to not work with P3D, why would they put the effort into coding the 777 to not work with the sim. I could be wrong though.

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I will not invest further in 1.4, nor in add-ons not fully P3D v1.4 compliant.

These were my thoughts as well, although I did use the tool for UTX/GEX as I had barely used those programs in FSX, just wanted my $'s worth. I bought the iFly 737NG and two "supported" airports from FSDT to fly a regular VA route with. While setting up my "FIRST" flight with my new "all developer supported sim", the Couatl engine on FSDT's KJFK version 2 crashed with the iFly 737 loaded. I tried default aircraft and had no problem. I then ported over a Carenado plane and it had no problem. I contacted support for FSDT and after some trials it was confirmed that the iFly 737 was causing the crash of Couatl, can you say "no refund!" (of the scenery from FSDT) Over to Flight1, they too recreated the crash of the scenery. I then got a support Email stating that they used a fresh copy of both products and did not experience a crash, they're now pointing the finger at yet another product. I then uninstalled UTX/GEX to see if they were the problem, they were not. So here I am with one commercial aircraft for P3D and two high detail airports and 1 month later have yet to complete an airline flight. Both developers pointing fingers elsewhere. So you see, right now, I couldn't care less about EULA's, I just want a working sim. FSX is another very long story, I think we all have those, but I've left it behind.

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Jimmy64,

 

I've had the opposite experience with P3D, I have FSDreamteam airports which are officially supported by P3D, AS2012 SP2 which also is officially supported. As long as you find A/C that are either made for P3D or the developer allows their use in P3D then it truly is a whole new sim. As far as flight1 products, they specifically code their products not to work in P3D even with migration tools. Whether users like or dislike this it is their decision. They say that sometime in Q1 of this year GEX for P3D should be coming out through Flight1tech.

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As long as you find A/C that are either made for P3D or the developer allows their use in P3D then it truly is a whole new sim. As far as flight1 products, they specifically code their products not to work in P3D even with migration tools

The reason I bought the iFly is that it is allowed on P3D

 

http://www.flight1tech.com/Products/AircraftSimulations/737NGforPrepar3D.aspx

 

I didn't want to use the migration tool. I actually was trying to prove that I could move to P3D and not miss a beat, and have developer support.

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@T_Bergman

 

Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy P3D. I have Carenado planes with ORBX scenery and REX Extreme textures and OPUS for weather. I much prefer using it to FSX. My issue is flying for my virtual airline. I regularly fly, KJFK to KLAX. These airports have VATSIM controllers most of the time I'm in the cockpit and it adds to the realism for simulating commercial flight. I'm catching flak from my VA buddies for abandoning FSX in favor of P3D, especially now that I'm not doing my route.

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"The reason I bought the iFly is that it is allowed on P3D"

 

But there is now  a problem ... The iFly737NG for P3D (payware) is stick at version 3.1 (since Feb 2013 I believe).

 

Their versions 3.1.1 and 3.12 (with many fixes) has only been released for their FS9 and FSX iFly737NG's.

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For VATSIM, I am using SB4. Its plug and play and I still get to enjoy the benefits of having ATC.

 

I am not knowledgeable about the ifly 737 for P3D, but in terms of patches, this may be something that could be requested/investigated on their forums. I can't see why a developer would only update the "entertainment" version.

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"The reason I bought the iFly is that it is allowed on P3D"

 

But there is now  a problem ... The iFly737NG for P3D (payware) is stick at version 3.1 (since Feb 2013 I believe).

 

Their versions 3.1.1 and 3.12 (with many fixes) has only been released for their FS9 and FSX iFly737NG's.

 

Yep! That's why I returned mine :-/

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I am not knowledgeable about the ifly 737 for P3D, but in terms of patches, this may be something that could be requested/investigated on their forums.

Normally this is how things should work, but in this case, support is only offered through a ticket with Flight1 tech. The iFly 737 for P3D is not supported by forums like the FSX version is. One is rather rudely asked to take the issue elsewhere. The rest of the flight sim community can't follow the progress. I can't even begin to tell you how many issues I've solved, just by reading forums! In fact, FSDT support was also reticent to offer public support, they wanted to handle the issue via Email. At any rate, both developers are looking at the problem, but I've been told that it will take considerable time. So once my bank account can handle another assault, I'll get the Airbus X Extended for P3D so I can do my route. Hopefully, it won't have issues!

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Out of interest, what was wrong with your FSX installation? Tbh my FSX runs better than ever.. CTD's are very rare (had one in 2013) I do not own any ORBX scenery however.. but I mainly fly airline ops, and it doesn't really matter that much to me how  the scenery looks from far above, when coasting a long. For low and slow flying I use AeroflyFS :P

 

Not looking to start an debate, but perhaps you are better of returning, if it makes you able to enjoy actually flying ? :)

 

Best Wishes

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Out of interest, what was wrong with your FSX installation?

Having been an FSX user since the beginning, I have a great deal of experience with it. FSX was crashing far too often on my Windows 7 64 bit machine. Trust me when I say that I've applied all the fixes and changes to the cfg file known to the community, far too much for this post. The final straw was one morning, FSX would not even load, and this happened on a two month old re-installation. Flashing runways were also annoying, and I just can't be limited to DirectX 9. It's 2013, the program is outdated and now the developer is out of the game. With P3D, I have a richer environment, smoother frames, DirectX 10, no crashes except for this issue, without any changes to the cfg. This issue will get fixed, and more commercial aircraft are coming, and like this post started, my intentions are to migrate the PMDG T7. I don't care if PMDG doesn't support this as I have found most fixes on forums anyway. They are just protecting themselves for their own reasons and I seriously doubt that I'll get a summons for doing it!  

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@t_bergman

 

I looked at your start-up airline and noticed that you'll be using the J41. Have you migrated the PMDG J41 to P3D? If so, how does it perform?

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Out of interest, what was wrong with your FSX installation?

 

Technically nothing... but Prepar3D does bring some modest improvements to the table which "for the price of an addon" are difficult to ignore.

 

(Sidebar: Isn't it funny how we all now seem to compare the price of the platform against the price of addons? I see it with both P3D and X-Plane. Justifying trying either one because they "only" cost the price of a good addon.)

 

I very recently moved from FSX to P3D and like many others, I find the smooth and rich experience to be perceptively better than FSX. I never had any memory issues or CTD's with FSX, so my move was not inspired by problems, but I did want to evaluate the platform and low and behold (*at least for me), it lives up to it's reputation. I'm disappointed I didn't make the move sooner.

 

I don't have a zillion addons to worry about from a compatibility standpoint, and those that I do have are supported and/or functional in P3D.

 

P3D is certainly adding value to the educational process which is flight simming. Ahem.

 

 

 


With P3D, I have a richer environment, smoother frames, DirectX 10, no crashes except for this issue, without any changes to the cfg.

 

Just as a point-of-order, Prepar3D is strictly a DX9 application. They've refined it to work better and take more advantage of DX9's capabilities, but take note that P3D is decidedly not a DX10 app.

 

As far as the PMDG 777 is concerned, I'm not even entertaining that it would work with P3D. If it does, great, but in my own little mind I'm treating P3D as a great platform for my legacy flying needs - without expectation that it will work with anything new coming down the line. It's a good way to remain sane.

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Just as a point-of-order, Prepar3D is strictly a DX9 application. They've refined it to work better and take more advantage of DX9's capabilities, but take note that P3D is decidedly not a DX10 app.

 

Didn't know that, just an assumption on my part due to the lack of flashing runways and the ability to have light bloom, which looks fantastic in P3D. Not my area of expertise, this is why I'm not a fan of tangent questions that stray from the original post, this discussion didn't begin with a comparison of the two sims. At any rate, P3D is simply a better flight simulator than FSX, in my "not so humble opinion".

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As far as the PMDG 777 is concerned, I'm not even entertaining that it would work with P3D. If it does, great, but in my own little mind I'm treating P3D as a great platform for my legacy flying needs

 Pretty much my thoughts as well, if it doesn't work, it's not the end of the world and I'll still use P3D for flight training (Flight1 G1000 student simulator), VFR flying and some commercial flying simulation. I'll move to X-plane for the T7, which as I stated previously, I simply must have.

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To answer the OP's original question (or an attempt to), no there is no answer as to whether the 777 will work with P3D.  If PMDG is against it they may even put in some features to prevent it.

 

I'll wait about six months or so after the  777 is released anyway to get its reviews, let it go through a few cycles of bug fixes and the like.   I have the CS 777 in P3D working fine for me but I am not a person who likes fully blown systems.   So I am content for now.

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I'll wait about six months or so after the  777 is released anyway to get its reviews, let it go through a few cycles of bug fixes and the like.   I have the CS 777 in P3D working fine for me but I am not a person who likes fully blown systems.  

 

That is good advice. Just curious, can you compare the CS T7 to the iFly 737NG? It's fairly complex, but not PMDG.

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@t_bergman

 

I looked at your start-up airline and noticed that you'll be using the J41. Have you migrated the PMDG J41 to P3D? If so, how does it perform?

 

I have heard that it performs extremely well.

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"The reason I bought the iFly is that it is allowed on P3D"

 

But there is now a problem ... The iFly737NG for P3D (payware) is stick at version 3.1 (since Feb 2013 I believe).

 

Their versions 3.1.1 and 3.12 (with many fixes) has only been released for their FS9 and FSX iFly737NG's.

 

I think there is a misconception here. 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 are BETA updates. They are released to the users to use at their own risk and aren't official patches. Once every thing is all tightened up, I'm sure an official update will be released. For now, what is being sent out are just stable tests so that users can take advantage of those now.

 

The reason why Flight1Tech doesn't release these updates for the P3D version is because it's the commercial side of Flight1. Flight1Tech will not release betas to commercial customers due to a higher level of support required. This is also why the P3D support isn't handled on a forum. They follow their interpretation of the P3D EULA, and until that changes, this won't change.

 

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