November 3, 201312 yr Hi people. I'm following tutorial 2 of the PMDG 737 and it tells me to select the rwy 26 LLZ approach. However, in my DEP-ARR page, there is no LLZ approach and there is only RNAV, LOC and NDM approaches. I selected LOC approach thinking it was the same thing but when I got to the part where it told me to set the speed at OEV18, I got lost. There was no OEV18 on my legs page and There was a hold at Rattenburg which I couldn't remove. I'm pausing my flight for now, afraid I would mess up and I really need help!
November 3, 201312 yr I'm not an expert but someone else may chip in, to delete hold just click delete key then line select next to hold LSK 4 to remove. Or you can click the LSK5 and then click LSK4 to move that waypoint up to remove hold. The LLZ OEV is a fix. click fix on fmc and type OEV select LSK 1 left to input it then below it you have......./......... Type /18 which will put a green fix ring 18nm around the airport/rwy this tells you that you are 18nm out this ring is displayed on your ND, when you fly over the edge of the ring your 18nm fom OEV so set speed then. Your approach should be loc rwy 08. Don't select Tulsi3a unless you came from the north I'm pretty sure the tutorial comes from east though. Also there was something missing in the tutorial and needed fixing ill have a look as I edited my tutorial. Hope this helps a bit. Wayne. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD http://fs2crew.com/banners/Banner_FS2Crew_MJC_Supporter.png Wayne HART
November 3, 201312 yr Delete key doesn't work on legs page. Do this: Or you can click the LSK5 and then click LSK4 to move that waypoint up to remove hold. Rostyslav S Wanna fly 737NGX with turbulence?
November 3, 201312 yr If that's the case don't worry it shouldn't go into a hold unless you select it on fmc and confirm anyway. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD I think you need to select rwy 08 on fmc that's only a visual approach anyway otherwise it's Rwy26 in real life I think. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD http://fs2crew.com/banners/Banner_FS2Crew_MJC_Supporter.png Wayne HART
November 3, 201312 yr I just did RW26 this evening (coincidently) and in the FMC it shows LLZ26. I think your AIRAC cycle may be older (or maybe newer). You can check it here... C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\PMDG\NavData\cycle_info.txt I currently have cycle 1212. You can confirm this by looking at C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\PMDG\SIDSTARS\LOWI.txt... APPROACHES APPROACH LLZ26......
November 3, 201312 yr Hi, nowadays there is a RNAV (RNP) approach at rwy 26 LOWI. To perform that you should, at least, know basics about RNAV/RNP approaches. By summarizing they're kind of approaches based on GPS and (eventually DME/DME or VOR/dme area navigation position updating) the FMC of your B737 can then "build" a fictive glide path and loc path and it can be shown on your FD like an ILS based approach BUT your navigation performance must be into the limits required by RNAV/RNP approach chosen (usually 0,3 miles of circular probability error of position: that means that your ANP: Actual Navigation Performance that you can read on your ND must be BETTER or at least EQUAL to that required by the approach procedure) AND you can follow that procedure by autopilot and/ot manual by using LNAV/VNAV mode ONLY. In particular LOWI rwy 26 RNAV app requires you disengage on your FMC the VOR/DME position update because being the position calculated based on VOR signals less accurate than position calculated by GPS it could interfere with precision required. If you follow the correct procedure RNAV app rwy 26 LOWI it's a "piece of cake". If you want read more about RNAV/RNP approaches you can start by RNAV voice in wikipedia. Ciao Andrea Buono
November 3, 201312 yr Author The thing is, the tutorial tells me to use the LLZ approach. I have Cycle 1310. This is my LOWI.txt file. //LOWI (INNSBRUCK)//Worldwide Navaid Database for PMDG//Exported via DFD v1.0 13.0821//Software copyright © 2013 Richard Stefan, NAVData-Service//Support available via forum at http://forum.navigraph.com////Data provided by Navigraph - www.navigraph.com//This data is copyrighted and may not be used, recompiled, interpreted or//distributed for any purpose without the written consent//of Navigraph.////The contents of this database is dated and must not be//used for real world navigation as it is unlawful and//unsafe to do so.////------------------------------------------------------//AIRAC Cycle : 1310 (19/SEP/2013 - 16/OCT/2013) - Ver.1//------------------------------------------------------FIXESFIX 80DME LATLON N 47 17.78298 E 11 32.51532FIX 90LOC LATLON N 47 17.6445 E 11 34.08648FIX ABNB LATLON N 47 17.31234 E 11 30.1005FIX ADILO LATLON N 47 20.74884 E 10 56.85918FIX BRENO LATLON N 46 58.8 E 11 22.60002FIX CL26 LATLON N 47 20.28684 E 11 51.29004FIX CN26 LATLON N 47 21.33336 E 11 50.89818FIX D065G LATLON N 47 21.5985 E 11 45.6192FIX D073F LATLON N 47 18.86718 E 11 38.66352FIX D136A LATLON N 47 25.002 E 11 57.53484FIX D152V LATLON N 47 25.54998 E 10 35.83332FIX D247C LATLON N 47 16.15164 E 11 25.66398FIX D274A LATLON N 47 17.977379 E 10 56.598237FIX D322A LATLON N 47 18.945472 E 10 57.356751FIX DME10 LATLON N 47 18.33234 E 11 35.34084FIX DME11 LATLON N 47 18.60666 E 11 36.75402FIX DME13 LATLON N 47 19.15434 E 11 39.58086FIX DME15 LATLON N 47 19.70082 E 11 42.40884FIX DME17 LATLON N 47 20.24616 E 11 45.23766FIX ELMEM LATLON N 47 17.13798 E 10 34.24434FIX FL26 LATLON N 47 19.8495 E 11 48.42066FIX FN26 LATLON N 47 20.79036 E 11 48.0675FIX INNNB LATLON N 47 13.80048 E 11 24.1125FIX KOGOL LATLON N 47 37.33332 E 11 23.98332FIX KPT LATLON N 47 44.7465 E 10 20.98998FIX KPT39 LATLON N 47 18.74286 E 11 3.86652FIX KTINB LATLON N 47 12.93234 E 11 1.67034FIX LOC14 LATLON N 47 18.75066 E 11 41.2512FIX LOC17 LATLON N 47 19.41084 E 11 45.55236FIX ML26 LATLON N 47 17.04402 E 11 30.21966FIX MOGTI LATLON N 47 23.33886 E 10 43.01016FIX NANIT LATLON N 47 23.5812 E 12 20.78616FIX OBEDI LATLON N 47 19.67382 E 13 19.78482FIX OEJ LATLON N 47 18.87018 E 11 36.14532FIX RASTA LATLON N 47 29.72568 E 13 22.88202FIX RTTNB LATLON N 47 25.85532 E 11 56.40318FIX SBG LATLON N 48 0.15498 E 12 53.56566FIX TULSI LATLON N 47 42.09648 E 11 47.32548FIX UNKEN LATLON N 47 49.30002 E 12 36.06666FIX WI001 LATLON N 47 25.8555 E 11 56.40384FIX WI002 LATLON N 47 22.6002 E 11 49.50018FIX WI005 LATLON N 47 15.14532 E 11 16.11366FIX WI006 LATLON N 47 18.34002 E 11 5.16336FIX WI007 LATLON N 47 19.203 E 10 58.99902FIX WI008 LATLON N 47 16.64268 E 10 59.36034FIX WI103 LATLON N 47 16.27482 E 11 26.7927FIX WI501 LATLON N 47 15.14532 E 11 16.11336FIX WI502 LATLON N 47 18.34002 E 11 5.16414FIX WI505 LATLON N 47 15.14532 E 11 16.11414FIX WI506 LATLON N 47 17.41152 E 11 8.35452FIX WI507 LATLON N 47 18.34002 E 11 5.16252FIX WI801 LATLON N 47 17.5455 E 10 44.32566FIX WI802 LATLON N 47 17.78184 E 10 50.37582FIX WI803 LATLON N 47 18.00984 E 10 56.30136FIX WI804 LATLON N 47 18.23184 E 11 2.22786ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 08RNW 26ENDRNWSSIDSSID ADIL1J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OVERFLY OEJ AT OR ABOVE 7500 SPEED 165 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX INNNB FIX ADILOSID KOGO2J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OEJ AT OR ABOVE 4800 FIX D065G AT OR ABOVE 6700 TRK 065 UNTIL 9500 FIX OVERFLY D136A TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX RTTNB HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 FIX KOGOLSID KPT1Z RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX OVERFLY ABNB AT OR ABOVE 5600 TURN RIGHT DIRECT FIX INNNB AT OR ABOVE 9400 SPEED 154 FIX KPT39 AT OR ABOVE 11500 FIX D152V FIX KPTSID MOGT1H RNW 26 FIX WI505 AT OR ABOVE 3520 FIX WI506 AT OR ABOVE 7000 FIX WI507 AT OR ABOVE 8430 FIX WI802 AT OR ABOVE 11390 FIX MOGTI AT OR ABOVE 13000SID MOGT1X RNW 26 FIX WI501 AT OR ABOVE 3190 FIX WI502 AT OR ABOVE 7100 FIX WI802 AT OR ABOVE 10520 FIX MOGTI AT OR ABOVE 13000SID OBED2J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OEJ AT OR ABOVE 4800 FIX D065G AT OR ABOVE 6700 TRK 065 UNTIL 9500 FIX OVERFLY D136A TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX RTTNB HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 FIX OBEDISID RAST3J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OEJ AT OR ABOVE 4800 FIX D065G AT OR ABOVE 6700 TRK 065 UNTIL 9500 FIX OVERFLY D136A TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX RTTNB HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 FIX RASTASID RTT1W RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB AT OR ABOVE 5000 FIX D073F AT OR ABOVE 6900 FIX RTTNBSID RTT2J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OEJ AT OR ABOVE 4800 FIX D065G AT OR ABOVE 6700 TRK 065 UNTIL 9500 FIX OVERFLY D136A TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX RTTNB HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1SID RTT2X RNW 26 FIX WI005 AT OR ABOVE 3000 FIX WI006 AT OR ABOVE 5450 FIX WI007 AT OR ABOVE 6750 FIX D322A FIX D274A FIX WI008 SPEED 165 FIX WI006 FIX WI005 FIX WI103 FIX WI002 FIX WI001 AT OR ABOVE 11500SID UNKE1J RNW 08 FIX D247C FIX ABNB FIX OEJ AT OR ABOVE 4800 FIX D065G AT OR ABOVE 6700 TRK 065 UNTIL 9500 FIX OVERFLY D136A TURN LEFT DIRECT FIX RTTNB HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 FIX UNKENENDSIDSSTARSSTAR BREN2A FIX BRENO FIX INNNB FIX RTTNBRNW 08 RNW 26STAR BREN2B FIX BRENO FIX KTINBRNW 08 RNW 26STAR ELME1A FIX ELMEM FIX KTINBRNW 08 RNW 26STAR RAST4A FIX RASTA FIX NANIT FIX RTTNBRNW 08 RNW 26STAR SBG3A FIX SBG FIX RTTNBRNW 08 RNW 26STAR TULS3A FIX TULSI FIX RTTNBRNW 08 RNW 26ENDSTARSAPPROACHESAPPROACH LOC26 FIX CL26 AT OR ABOVE 9500 FIX FL26 AT OR ABOVE 9500 FIX LOC17 AT OR ABOVE 8700 FIX LOC14 AT OR ABOVE 7500 FIX 90LOC AT OR ABOVE 5500 FIX ML26 4414 RNW 26 HDG 255 VECTORSTRANSITION RTT HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 TRK 210 INTERCEPT RADIAL 255 TO FIX CL26APPROACH NDM26 FIX CN26 AT OR ABOVE 9500 FIX FN26 AT OR ABOVE 9500 FIX DME17 AT OR ABOVE 8700 FIX DME15 AT OR ABOVE 7900 FIX DME13 AT OR ABOVE 7100 FIX DME11 AT OR ABOVE 6300 FIX DME10 AT OR ABOVE 5900 FIX 80DME AT OR ABOVE 5100 FIX ABNB 4412 RNW 26 HDG 252 VECTORSTRANSITION RTT HOLD AT FIX RTTNB RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 ALT 9500 LEGTIME 1 TRK 210 INTERCEPT RADIAL 252 TO FIX CN26APPROACH RNV08 FIX WI801 AT OR ABOVE 10300 FIX WI802 AT OR ABOVE 9000 FIX WI803 AT OR ABOVE 7500 FIX OVERFLY WI804 6000 RNW 08 FIX WI006 AT OR ABOVE 6000 FIX WI005 FIX WI103 FIX WI001 11500 HOLD AT FIX WI001 RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 LEGTIME 1TRANSITION ELMEM HOLD AT FIX ELMEM LEFT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 150 ALT 13000 LEGTIME 1APPROACH RNV26 FIX WI002 AT OR ABOVE 9500 FIX WI103 AT OR ABOVE 3320 RNW 26 FIX WI005 AT OR ABOVE 2310 FIX WI006 FIX WI007 FIX D322A FIX D274A FIX WI008 SPEED 165 FIX WI006 FIX WI005 FIX WI103 FIX WI002 FIX WI001 11500 HOLD AT FIX WI001 RIGHT TURN INBOUNDCOURSE 226 LEGTIME 1TRANSITION WI001 FIX WI001 AT OR ABOVE 9500ENDAPPROACHES
November 3, 201312 yr Commercial Member The thing is, the tutorial tells me to use the LLZ approach. The thing is, the tutorial was written 2 years ago. If your nav data doesn't match, then you can't expect to be able to follow it exactly. Kyle Rodgers
November 3, 201312 yr Author But I don't know how to set things correctly and I can't continue with my flight from there.
November 3, 201312 yr Commercial Member But I don't know how to set things correctly and I can't continue with my flight from there. Isn't the chart in the tutorial document? Kyle Rodgers
November 3, 201312 yr Author Yes, but it tells me to set a speed restriction at OEV18 and I have no idea where it is!!!!!
November 3, 201312 yr Commercial Member Yes, but it tells me to set a speed restriction at OEV18 and I have no idea where it is!!!!! Find where the chart has a speed restriction... EDIT: Tutorials are meant for you to take the concepts from them and apply them to other flights. Take the concept of what it's talking about and apply it to whatever is different. Things will be different every flight. If you expect them to be exact, you're setting yourself up for failure. Look at how they applied the concept in the picture/tutorial and apply it as you see fit by reading the chart. Part of the reason pilots are still up front in the plane is that they have to apply their own best judgment from time to time. That requires thinking for yourself. Kyle Rodgers
November 3, 201312 yr Hi Justin, I reccomend you to update your LOWI's chart, and, of course, your FMC's database, (i.e. by navigraph service, both charts and database) and study anything about RNAV/RNP approaches, I can assure you that RNAV RWY 26 LOWI APP it's simpler than the old LLZ procedure... Ciao Andrea Hi Justin, look at smartcockpit website B737 NG section there's a good socument regarding RNAV/RNP written by Capt. Bill Royce: Senior Technical Pilot Flight Operations Training, Technical and Standards at Boeing. Happy studying! Best Regards Andrea Buono
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