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Hi,

 

I want to my FSX be more alive... so I'm looking software which simulate voices of flight crew (stewardesses/stewards announcements while any phase of flight, including taxing) and passengers aboarding/deboarding, their reactions on pilotage style, etc.

I thought about FSPassengers X, but I think that is to much complicate for my expectation, besides I read many posts where people described their problems with FSPAX and PMDG airplanes together. Secondly, I tried demo FSPAX, and had problem with EZDOK Camera (it doesn't automaticaly start with FSX) - so I had to edit XML file and turn the EZCA autoexec off, then run EZCA manually after FSX and FSPAX started.

 

Anyway... I also found other similiar programs: HiFi XPax, FSCabinCrew and FSCaptain.

 

I think FSCaptain is something like FSPax...but I don't want to buy airplanes, flight in v-airlines, etc. - only voices to experience real flight. So I think only XPax or FSCabinCrew is for me. What do you think? Which of these two is better? ..but maybe voice announcements in FSCaptain are better than XPax/FSCabinCrew?? I'm little confused.

 

Ps. My other addons running with FSX: AS2012, GSX.

 

Important: I generally use PMDG aircrafts (JS41, NGX, 777), so this software must be compatible.

 

Best regards,

Lucas

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Lucas, you posted in a very old thread here ... anyway:

 

For FS Captain you neither have to buy additional planes nor do you have to be a member of a VA. You can fly any plane you want ... and offline. You may find FS Captain more complicated than FS Passengers, though (I think it's still worth the effort!).

 

XPax has a very easy user interface and the passengers (if I remember correctly) react to your flying immediately (sounds and score).

 

I consider FS Captain the better choice, but XPax may suit you more and it is currently sold at really low prices.

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I'm looking software which simulate voices of flight crew

 

I split your post from the old topic.

 

Best regards,

Jim

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I have been using Pro Flight Emulator (PFE) together with FDC Live Cockpit (FDC) for a number of years now and I can highly recommend them. PFE replaces the default ATC and includes many voice sets with different English accents, taxi guidance system both verbal and visual and many other improvements. FDC acts as a copilot, performing checklists etc. also has cabin crew announcements, again with different accents. You can buy them individualy or together. They have been tweaked to work together. n

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(thank you Jim)

 

wow, toriu, too expensive to me :)

I'll wait for opinions about FS Cabin Crew and its comparision with XPax...

Hmm, maybe FSCaptain but I think it is not quite what I'm looking for :/ ..it has crew voices but also has many many features wherethrough is more expensive.

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I would also vote for FSCaptain, considering the high quality add-on planes you have i don't think that the cost is all that prohibitive, you could buy FSCaptain 3 times for the cost of the PMDG 777.

 

In general FSCaptain does work with all of those add-ons, you may need to disable to auto loading features (i do this as a matter of course).

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Ian, exactly... because I spent a lot of money on aircrafts (and other addons lik AS, UTX, REX, etc.) now I'm looking cheapest soft  ...I have to save my budget ;)

 

Ps. ok, but I will think about FSC - good riddance that my wife doesn't know this forum ;)

 

Ps2. From XPax & FSCrewCabin pair, I think I would choose XPax.

 

Ps3. with XPax: do passengers scream while turbulence or big bank angle? ;)

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If, as you say, you generally use PMDG, then by far the best software to make the flight deck feel alive is FS2Crew.  You actually use your voice to talk to the FO and flight attendents. I use it in the 737NGX and can't wait till they make it available for the T7.  It's marvelous......oh I'm gushing now....over and out!

 

Steve

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Thanks for reply Steve. I've heard about FS2Crew - it is nice but this is the most expensive option, because every licence is for one type of aircraft and costs ~30Eur. :(  ..only for NGX and T7, we have ~60 Euros.

 

Hmm, is XPax really bad? - nobody recommend it... ;)

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A crew for every aircraft (purchase once, equip them all) would be MCE (Multi Crew Experience). But there's no immediate reaction by passengers or scores to your flying style. (Your First Officer DOES comment, though!)

 

Both MCE and FS Captain offer a demo version (the MCE demo is time-limited, the FS Captain demo is restricted to three departure airports, but not in time).

 

Sorry, I have no experience with FSCabinCrew.

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Ok, I decided that I'll try demo of FSCaptain :)

(I found info that passenegers scream while step descent or big bank angle - nice... :) )

 

Ps. Do pass. react when in turbulence?

 

Edit:

I consider, why the FSC is not popular in Poland (I'm from Poland) - I didn't find any thread on polish sim-forums dedicated this software :Thinking:  ...I hope that it works on polish version of OS ;)

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Ps. Do pass. react when in turbulence?

 

I don't believe that they do.  Nor do you get additional points for flying through heavy weather...shame, but the developer is very responsive to additions.  You could ask for this feature.

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Ok, I decided that I'll try demo of FSCaptain :)

(I found info that passenegers scream while step descent or big bank angle - nice... :) )

 

Ps. Do pass. react when in turbulence?

 

Edit:

I consider, why the FSC is not popular in Poland (I'm from Poland) - I didn't find any thread on polish sim-forums dedicated this software :Thinking:  ...I hope that it works on polish version of OS ;)

 

 

No speech recognition, so it should work fine.

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One more question ... are there any problems with FSC when flying on Vatsim via FSInn?

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I consider, why the FSC is not popular in Poland (I'm from Poland) - I didn't find any thread on polish sim-forums dedicated this software   ...I hope that it works on polish version of OS ;)

 

 

Hello Lucass, and thank you for considering FSCaptain.

 

We do have customers from all over Europe, with different regional settings of their operating systems.  If you find that FSCaptain does not work well for you in some regard, then we would like to try and make it work for you.

 

If you would, I would ask that you try our public beta of version 1.5.0 - details of how you can do so are on our forum here.  (You will always be able to use FSCaptain for free on flights originating from KSEA, KOLM and KPDX in the US Pacific Northwest, even if you decide to not purchase a license.)

 

This version of FSCaptain supports FS9, FSX and P3D2, has enhanced "bad weather effects," including support for preflight ground de-icing procedures, and has more thorough logging of events so that in case of a problem we would ask for your FSCaptain program log files to help us debug.

 

Other things that future versions of FSCaptain will support are all designed to allow our Captains the chance to operate their commercial aircraft in-line with more commercial aviation regulations.  Heh heh heh

 

 

 

Lucass, on 04 Dec 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

 

Ps. Do pass. react when in turbulence?

 

I don't believe that they do.  Nor do you get additional points for flying through heavy weather...shame, but the developer is very responsive to additions.  You could ask for this feature.

 

Consider it asked for.  :lol:

 

In our next version (1.6 or 2.0 or some other "crooked number") we will provide a more functional FO as well as reporting of passenger conditions from the chief flight attendant.  We do not want to go the route of providing a "passenger satisfaction index" as that's not very realistic.  So we'll essentially have the Captain ask the CFA how things are going... or we may have the CFA bring a report to the flight deck unbidden.

 

I do not believe that FSCaptain passengers will scream (I always fly safely and have a 100% on time record thankyouverymuch) but if our customers want their pax to scream... well we'll deliver scream-ability. LOL

 

Although I do know that if the Captain performs a smooth landing in bad weather conditions (or after a systems failure, etc.) the pax will give up a round of applause.  AAMOF that happened in real life just a few days ago....

 

 

One more question ... are there any problems with FSC when flying on Vatsim via FSInn?

I don't use FSInn, but we have had users just this week report that the FSCaptain in-sim menu is not available if they have FSInn installed.

 

Personally I don't use the in-sim menu to access FSCaptain (I use keystrokes or the external ACARS device), so that is not a loss for me.  But I will ask the reporters if they can use both FSCaptain and FSInn together.

 Nor do you get additional points for flying through heavy weather

 

 

Just to respond to this point in isolation... in real life a Captain would seek to avoid flying through heavy weather.  He would not want the threat of such to endanger the safety of his entrusted aircraft.  That's one of the reasons FSCaptain introduced a few of its Hazard Pack features - one which could force a flameout of a turbojet engine if the Captain did not take normal ignition precautions, as well as enhancing the possibility of turbulence if flying in a thunderstorm.

 

Plus our enhanced take on dealing with flight surface icing (both on-ground and in-air) which IMO makes FSCaptain a potent adversary for those who like to fly dangerously.  ^_^

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Just to respond to this point in isolation... in real life a Captain would seek to avoid flying through heavy weather

 

You're right of course Travis, but sometimes it's unavoidable, i was flying my Twotter near Wick last week, the weather was terrible, heavy cross winds, poor visibility, rain, i wobbled all the way in but managed (truth be told) a fairly rough landing.  I didn't get the bonus for a nice landing, nor did i deserve that; but somehow i felt disappointed that my white knuckle, anus clenching approach wasn't acknowledged.

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"I don't use FSInn, but we have had users just this week report that the FSCaptain in-sim menu is not available if they have FSInn installed."

Strange... I've installed demo and I have FSCoPilot -> InnControlPanel in the 'Addons' menu in FS (CoPilot is required soft to work with FSInn). So I started it, then FSInn ControlPanel opened and connected Vatsim with no problem (although I didn't transmit any communicate because ATC was logoff :)

 

It is glad to see that you try to fit this program to customers expectation :)

 

After first look, the soft is quite complicated :) ..so I start to read manual & tutorial :)

 

Ah, one more question - is FSC compatible with new PMDG 777? I don't see it on list in Flight Dispatch/Required section/Aircraft type.

 

..and 2nd question: we know that NGX has possibility to load cargo, pax and fuel via CDU.. so how it works with FSC together? I suppose that I should choose method of loading aircraft and decide how to load the plane: NGX CDU or FSC... am I right?

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..and 2nd question: we know that NGX has possibility to load cargo, pax and fuel via CDU.. so how it works with FSC together? I suppose that I should choose method of loading aircraft and decide how to load the plane: NGX CDU or FSC... am I right?

 

I am afraid i can't help you with the FSINN or VATSIM stuff, i don't use either

 

I haven't tried it with the 777 yet.  I am following a strict rank style progression, so at the minute my pilot is only a Second Officer and can only fly the Twotter or Q400.  Please note this is only how i am using it, the program is not enforcing this.  I do believe that people are using FSCaptain with the 777.

 

I tend to simulate the loading on all aircraft models.  Basically i use FSCaptain to get the payload and passenger numbers and then enter them using the aircraft loading application; FSCaptain then only simulates the loading process.

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For the PMDG B777:

 

I use it a lot in conjunction with FS Captain. A few of the B777 "signals" aren't yet recognized by FSC. The current T7 landing lights "flicker" in FSC, as the custom code of PMDG doesn't quite toggle the default landing lights signal properly (the default variable is read by FSC), but this has been realized by PMDG and they will fix it in their upcoming servicepack.

 

T7 anti-ice works fine in conjunction with the FSC "bad weather beta"!   :biggrin:

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i felt disappointed that my white knuckle, anus clenching approach wasn't acknowledged.

 

Ian,

 

A good landing in an "anus clenching" situation should be acknowledged if nothing more than by praise from your FO and/or applause from your PAX.  I'll see if we can "widen" the criteria for such post 1.5.0.

 

 

Strange... I've installed demo and I have FSCoPilot -> InnControlPanel in the 'Addons' menu in FS (CoPilot is required soft to work with FSInn). So I started it, then FSInn ControlPanel opened and connected Vatsim with no problem (although I didn't transmit any communicate because ATC was logoff :)

 

Lukasz,

 

Another Captain posted in our forum that by changing the order in which FSCaptain and FSCoPilot appeared in the dll.xml file, there was no interference in the simulator menu system.  It's a bit odd, but when there's old and new software trying to co-exist, there can be little problems here and there....

 

 

 

It is glad to see that you try to fit this program to customers expectation :)

 

After first look, the soft is quite complicated :) ..so I start to read manual & tutorial :)

 

We really do want to be able to co-exist with all other add-ons and aircraft - why not, eh?  Co-existence is a wonderful thing when it comes to add-ons....

 

The Administration / Dispatch side of FSCaptain does look "Windows 98'ish" while the newer ACARS looks... well... like an ACARS from the 1990s...  :rolleyes:   and while on the introduction FSCaptain does seem a bit overwhelming, it can quickly become second nature to whatever flights you want to make. (Just a few years ago I was an FSCaptain demo-user just like you.)

 

 

 

Ah, one more question - is FSC compatible with new PMDG 777? I don't see it on list in Flight Dispatch/Required section/Aircraft type.

 

Ah... a simple question which gets a complicated answer. :lol:  Welcome to the world of "FSCaptain interfaces."

 

First, there are Captains who regularly fly the PMDG T7 with FSCaptain.  That's good in itself.

 

However FSCaptain wants to know lots of things about the aircraft being flown.  Are the Landing Lights on or off?  What about the Nav Lights?  What about the Seat Belt and No Smoking signs??   The windshield heaters?   Engine Anti-Ice?  Etc. Etc.  It's all to track what you - the Captain - are doing in your flight.  Are you flying a turbojet through a thunderstorm with your engine ignition systems off?  Say goodbye to one of your engines....  :blink:

 

Many years ago Microsoft defined certain variables within Flight Simulator which any aircraft could take advantage of to operate certain "aircraft systems."  In the past few years though, many third-party aircraft developers started using their own "home grown" systems to track the same aircraft systems.

 

So Dutch (the FSCaptain developer) devised a mechanism to translate some third-party aircraft systems to the "Microsoft standard" system.  We have handled several aircraft from (in alphabetical order): Aerosoft, CaptainSim, Coolsky, FeelThere, iFly, JustFlight, Leonardo, Majestic, PMDG, Posky, QualityWings and SkySim.  Some of these have been supplied to us gratis from their developer in alpha and beta forms, but most we have had to purchase when they were released to the public.

 

But we have not yet worked with the PMDG 777.  Why??  Simple... since its release neither Dutch nor I have had time to purchase and use it. Over the past few weeks we've added support for many new weather engines, support for Prepare3D-2, and a complete set of procedures to simulate Ground De-icing and Anti-icing.

 

Now... we will purchase a copy of the PMDG T7 and establish an interface with it in the next few weeks.  (Certainly before the end of January.)  But until then, Captains can inhibit the sensors that look for the particular systems which it simulates "outside the box"... such as the Landing Lights which Oliver has noted.

 

 

 

 

 

.and 2nd question: we know that NGX has possibility to load cargo, pax and fuel via CDU.. so how it works with FSC together? I suppose that I should choose method of loading aircraft and decide how to load the plane: NGX CDU or FSC... am I right?

 

As Ian and Oliver have responded... it's up to how you want your aircraft to work - after all, you're the Captain of your aircraft, aren't you?  ^_^

 

We are re-writing our documentation and adding a few new (shorter) documents here and there.  I'll try to sum up this area in just a sentence or two....  1.  FSCaptain wants to increase the representation of "realism" in the area of flight simulation.   2.  Loading one's aircraft (with Pax, Cargo and Fuel) is one area where FSCaptain can attempt to automatically handle everything on either an abstract scale or with Detailed Loading of individual aircraft stations - or where FSCaptain can allow the Captain of the Flight to step in and manually manage the entire load process through the Payload and Fuel dialogs in FS9/FSX/P3D.

 

What that means is you can specify which of your aircraft will use the FSCaptain auto loader and which should be handled manually or through the aircraft's own "Load Manager."  (And even then in the case where you want to bypass the FSCaptain loading mechanism, you can have FSCaptain simulate the loading process so it will take "actual time" to perform your aircraft load.

 

Finally, I would like to note something that Ian referenced:

 

 

 I am following a strict rank style progression, so at the minute my pilot is only a Second Officer and can only fly the Twotter or Q400.  Please note this is only how i am using it, the program is not enforcing this.

 

Ian,

 

This is what we like to point out to potential Captains... because as you know with FSCaptain, you are the Captain.  You can fly any aircraft at any time which is possible in your simulator.  If you want to take a demo flight from KPDX in a Cessna Caravan to CYYC and then immediately hop into an A380 or a B777 at the gate at KSEA for a trans-Pacific flight to Asia - do it!

 

Then again, if you want to apply your own personal restrictions - "I can only fly from the airport at which I last landed"  or  "I can only fly pistons or single engine turboprops" - that's great.  FSCaptain wants to allow you to simulate your flights as authentic as you want them to be.

 

FSCaptain will never enforce any rule to restrict what you can fly - you're the judge of that. (And as a Captain of nearly 3 years of service... you know it.)

 

 

 

[...] but [...]

 

Thank you for that most eloquent comment Oliver!.. because since I had just mentioned "judging" I need to add that if anyone selects me as your FSCaptain First Officer, I will gladly sit in your right-hand seat and guide you to make correct decisions... as well as sarcastically note every mistake that you ever make.   :lol:

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For the 737ngx I love fs2crew and it has cabin sounds. You can use the voice or button feature. I also fly with fscaptain at times to see how I am flying (sometimes I run both together!). FScaptain also has cabin announcements. Fscaptain you can try for free to see if you like it. There is more setup with fscaptain before a flight than with fs2crew. Fs2crew is a virtual flight officer. Fscaptain is more of a simulation of being a captain and how you perform on your flight. Both have cabin announcements and do different things. Try the fscaptain for free to see if you like it and look on youtube for videos of fs2crew. Fs2crew actually helped me a lot in learning the cold and dark startup sequence for the 737ngx. There is an issue with fscaptain and fsinn, although you can still run it. There are some fixes I just have not had time to try them out yet. Fscaptain is doing interesting things with icing and adding features to help with immersion and I have been pleased with it so far and it seems they have plans to continue to expand on their features, so it may be a good long term investment as well. Both programs will really increase your experience while flying.  

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Then again, if you want to apply your own personal restrictions

 

Just on this topic, i would very much like to see some structure being implemented.  I have personally taken the rank structure from BA and applied my own rules, it would be nice if the software was able to do some of this.  So say individual ranks could have certain planes or groups of planes assigned.  I would also like to alter some of the rank progression criteria.

 

 


FSCaptain does seem a bit overwhelming

 

Yes, it put me off at first, i actually went back to FSP for a time after trying the demo.

But after the non-existent support on FSP i got more frustrated and tried the demo again, this time putting in some work.  Now i find it the better product.

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Both programs will really increase your experience while flying.  

 

Red,

 

Thank you kindly for your words of support... and for simply lumping FSCaptain in with such a highly respected utility series.

 

 

Just on this topic, i would very much like to see some structure being implemented.  I have personally taken the rank structure from BA and applied my own rules, it would be nice if the software was able to do some of this.  So say individual ranks could have certain planes or groups of planes assigned.  I would also like to alter some of the rank progression criteria.

 

Ian,

 

That's a noteworthy set of goals.  We will be able to fulfill them - but not with FSCaptain....

 

We're looking at slimming down FSCaptain itself when it's time for a "2.0" release.  The program itself is 4 years old and it's good after such a long stretch to clear things out and move things around.  (Which would give us room to add more in-flight related things.  Hee hee.)  FSCaptain itself would consist of a Dispatch Planner, an Administrator, and an ACARS.  And the ancillary aircraft interfaces, etc.

 

We've made no secret about developing an additional program.  Call it "FSAirline... Tycoon!" for lack of a better name. (And that's a pretty poor name, I must admit.  :wink: ).  What you're thinking of would go into that program - after all why carry around a module of company rank progression rules while you're in flight?  (Yes, today you're flying around with the entire Administrator lurking in the background.  But not in FSCaptain 2.0....)

 

So feel free to email us your personal rules.  We'll solicit such from other users and try to come up with a comprehensive set of guidelines so that any user could create a set of rules to best serve them as they tycoon-ishly run their own FS Airline.

 

 

 

Btw, it looks as if ACME Airline Services' contract with their Senior Flight Attendant - Heidi - is coming up for renewal soon after the first of next year.  Concessions will occur on both sides, as it appears that ACME will require a few more duties from their flight attendants....  :smile2:

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We're looking at slimming down FSCaptain itself when it's time for a "2.0" release

 

Excellent, i look forward to further progress.

 

 

So feel free to email us your personal rules.  We'll solicit such from other users and try to come up with a comprehensive set of guidelines so that any user could create a set of rules to best serve them as they tycoon-ishly run their own FS Airline.

 

Basically i took the main structure from BA and attempted to apply it too FSCaptain (admittedly FSCaptain wouldn't allow some of my more elaborate ideas)

 

So my rank progression:

Cadet (£6hr) Only allowed the C172 - A2A in my case

FE (Flight Engineer) Only allowed the Twin Otter

Second Officer (Base) Allowed the above aircraft and the Q400

SO (Top) Additionally the J41 and the BAe146...I know that the J41 is smaller than the Q400, i just wanted to fly Q400 after buying it.

First Officer (FO Base) Airbus A320 and 737-800 etc  (Aerosoft and PMDG in my case)

FO (Top) Just more money

Capt (Base) The 777...PMDG and the A330 when / if released via Aerosoft.

Capt (Top) More Money...and possibly the 747 (PMDG) when released

Capt (Trn) Even more money

Chief Pilot Even more more money

 

I would have liked to have a training airline so i could take my pilot through PPL PPL+IMC etc...FSCaptain doesn't really allow that because the rank progression is fixed.

 

I have also toyed with replicating the structure but in Nepal or Africa for more interesting destinations and to use the older style Aircraft like the 707 and the PMDG DC6 when released.

 

Anyhoo, that's how i use the software.

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