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I have been watching and listening to talk about add-on software that will help me fly the heavies. I have seen MCE and FS2C and am torn. I lean toward FS2C but I don't like that it is so expensive and one package will tie me to one plane. I want a software that is programmable (easily I hope) and will work with ANY aircraft I may chose to fly, today or in the future. I currently fly the NGX and the Airbus X right now (which has built-in crew to help out). Looking at the T7 and perhaps later the oldies too like the CLS DC-10, PMDG MD-11 and Level-D 767.

Anyone have a package I missed evaluating? Comments welcome since it's Christmas and I might be able to wrangle up some cash for a present for Daddy.

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Based on your mentioning of the expense of FS2Crew I strongly recommend MCE....It's a great value works on most aircraft and is a super value.  FS2crew is VERY expensive after you buy it about 10 times.  I also strongly recommend FSCAPTAIN if you don't already have it.     


Gotta go for the MCE.  It works on almost every plane and has the ATC voice control which is great for realism.  I tried FS2Crew and it wasn't my cup of tea and was way too expensive seeing that I would have to buy it about a dozen times over for all the different aircraft I fly.  

 

As an aside, I strongly recommend FSCAPTAIN if you don't have it already.  

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I'm drawn to any topic that has F.O. in the title :lol:

 

I second third the recommendation for MCE.

 

Here are my thoughts:  First off, FS2Crew modules are wonderful things (and I'm not out to knock it).  FS2Crew is very rigid.  If your phrasing is even slightly off, the command will not be recognized.  Also, while I understand it is an intentional feature designed to prevent misunderstandings, the command set is very limited and more closely linked to the flight phase.  For example, you can command Gear Up after takeoff, but once you go into the next flight phase, that is not an option.

 

MCE is quite a bit more flexible in this regard.  Plus you can edit the FO flows and checklists.  And as already mentioned, it supports many high quality planes in one package, including the PMDG MD-11.  They don't have the 777 yet, but I'm pretty sure it's a given that they will soon.  You can also communicate with ATC, as mentioned above.  Another good thing is that they are very responsive to customer input.  If you find a problem with something, chances are quite good that it will be taken seriously, and fixed within the next build, which seem to be released every few weeks.  FS++ is on my list of favorite developers, because instead of telling the customer they're a dumbs***, they listen to what you're saying and check it out.

 

The downside of MCE is that sometimes the voices can be a little robotic because they are generated, rather than just canned responses.  I don't find this to be much of a problem. 

 

 

While I'm typing this, I see that Olli has mentioned FDC.  I actually run FDC on a networked computer and have it doing the Cabin Announcements only, since it does a good job recognizing the flight phase, while MCE does the main crew interaction.  I do this because MCE cabin crew are on the floozy side.

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Phillip,
 
Thank you kindly for your recommendation of FSCaptain!
 
I would like to point out for dolph98's attention that the FO feature of FSCaptain does not actively do anything beyond handing the seat belt signs, and advising the Captain of certain airline-required actions (landing lights off/on when crossing 10000ft, exceeding safe airspeed, taxiing off the runway, trying to land without lowering the gear, etc.)
 
However future versions of FSCaptain will (optionally) give the FO more to do.  Handle the gear... maybe manage the lights and possibly raise the darn flaps on his own!
 
Do note as well, if I were selected as your FO in FSCaptain I would likely be sarcastic if you do something such as leave the taxiway or runway in an aircraft not suited to "drive on the grass." :rolleyes:
 
I am also lucky enough to be one of the voices for Multi Crew Experience - so I can wholeheartedly recommend it as a "works in every aircraft that I have" active FO.  (I receive no renumeration for such... other than the likelihood that they will read one of my whinges   :lol:  )  
 
The MCE developers are right-on boffins when it comes to controlling many varieties of aircraft.
 
My MCE persona sounds like a cross between a sarcastic chipmunk and a grumpy Dalek.  Make of that what you can.   :wink:
 

 

I do this because MCE cabin crew are on the floozy side.

 

 

Okay, I've yet to meet her, but I think I'm going to like it....  :dance:

 

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I don't have either but plan to buy FS2crew complete set that includes NGX, RAAS, and Airbus! Price is not bad on Xmas sale. I have looked over MCE but sounds way to robotic for me. I might eventually add MCE for aircraft not covered by FS2Crew like the Q400 and i do respect that MCE does bring s lot to the table. But given the FS2Crew sale it is a no brainier at this point.

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Good stuff, thanks y'all. I am downloading a free demo of MCE as we speak, and looking for a FS2Crew demo.

 

FS Captain looks interesting but is not what I'm after right now, so I will pass. I fly on FlyteLine (FL) and I am wondering how using FL will play with FS Captain - seems it does what FL does except keeps the records for me rather than my keeping notes myself. I love flying for virtual dollars and FL has met my needs very well. (Also a former fan of FSEconomy).

 

Re robotic voices in MCE - I'm used to robotic voices. I have been using RC4 which sets the standard for robotic voices IMHO. When I first got it years ago that was my major complaint. I hated it and looked for ways to make it sound more natural. Of course, I lost. Today, it's normal and business as usual to hear it and I think nothing of it at all so I can live with MCE if it does what I need with the NGX.

 

I checked on FS2Crew and it is $67 'on sale'. Wow. $39 on sale would be more to my liking and budget. I am cheap and just recently (November) shelled out $160 for three planes - the NGX, the AirbusX and a Beech 18. I have to recoup those damages before I spend a fortune on FO software, that's for sure.

 

I run full screen FSX on my hotrod PC and put everything else on the laptop (ASE and Plan-G currently). Whatever I can offload to the laptop will also be a factor in my decision. I'm not sure that process applies to F.O. but I would guess no since my PC has the sound card and mike input.

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The Airbus Extended X offers a locked version of MCE as a separate download. So your trial period can last as long as you want (as long as you use the Airbus for trial).

 

In the Airbus configurator you find a link to the FS2Crew online manuals. Since FS2Crew don't offer a demo version, reading their complete manual online is the next best thing.

 

FS Captain also offer a demo version. It's not time-limited, but limited to three US airports as departure fields. As indicated by Travis already FSC does a huge number of amazing things ... but it's not exactly geared at the F/O stuff.

 

For RadarContact, try the Meatwater replacement voices from the AVSIM library. They are not perfect, but add a lot to the immersion.

 

 

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While I'm typing this, I see that Olli has mentioned FDC.  I actually run FDC on a networked computer and have it doing the Cabin Announcements only, since it does a good job recognizing the flight phase, while MCE does the main crew interaction. 

 

I still use it for "inflight passenger entertainment": wav files User01 through User12 I replaced by sets of mpg songs, converted to wav format and renamed for FDC.

 

I do this because MCE cabin crew are on the floozy side.

 

And so is First Officer Dieter!!!   :LMAO: 

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Olli - yes, I discovered that about MCE. After installation, it said there is no more trial left so I uninstalled and reinstalled the locked Airbus package. No problem. I have known all along that the Airbus's MCE was there once I get used to the jet so will try it sooner than planned, like as soon as I get my other crippling issues with the Airbus straightened out.

 

I have had a host of issues with the AirbusX. This is not the forum to complain or get help with my issues but suffice to say I somewhat regret having purchased it. I have only two flights with it under my belt. Maybe I'll try MCE today with the Airbus's checklist and co-pilot options turned off.

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I forgot to add one friendly word of advice on using MCE with PMDG airplanes.  Always make sure that they are fully counted down and initialized in FSX before starting MCE.  When first using the Demo, I was convinced that MCE was completely broken, until I learned this absolutely mandatory step.

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I have had a host of issues with the AirbusX. This is not the forum to complain or get help with my issues but suffice to say I somewhat regret having purchased it. (...)

 

 

Bring that to the official Aerosoft Airbus Extended forums.

 

I check those forums as frequently as I check AVSIM. Beta-testers and at least two RW Airbus pilots still around there as per today.

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I don't have either but plan to buy FS2crew complete set that includes NGX, RAAS, and Airbus! Price is not bad on Xmas sale. I have looked over MCE but sounds way to robotic for me. I might eventually add MCE for aircraft not covered by FS2Crew like the Q400 and i do respect that MCE does bring s lot to the table. But given the FS2Crew sale it is a no brainier at this point.

I have the 737ngx fs2crew but I may buy this package while its on sale for all the other products I don't have. I find the fs2crew product for 737ngx to be well worth the money given the amount of time I spend flying. I want to get the emergency package as well, so that I can simulate failures with a copilot. Have recently picked up the airbus, but given that it comes with a copiloit and cabin announcements I am still trying to decide if I want to upgrade to fs2crew. 

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One of the things I didn't like about the NGX Emergency FS2Crew was that the only voice set it works with is the Australian First Officer.  Other than that, it's really cool. 

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Thanks Olli. I do have an active post about my full-screen issues on their forum. I actually didn't mean that I truly regret the purchase, but I am not the happiest camper yet. Time will tell.

 

So after NOT using the built-in checklist and co-pilot features, and NOT using FSX's pushback feature since each time I do it ends up in a crash, I am at FL370 in the Airbus using MCE.

 

This is actually cool man! Had to do a few things myself (maybe until I train it us recognize my voice better) but all in all, this is a pretty good experience with the Airbus. When it started he kept rambling about the crossfeed but it finally stopped. I remember reading about that somewhere. Anyway, it seems better as if there is someone there to talk to. I like this!

 

I will now surf to find out what limitations there are with the NGX using MCE. Still going to have to cough up some mula either way but I do like MCE's price best of the two.

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I don't know how it works with MCE but one HUGE flaw of fs2crew is sdk error usually followed by messed up checklists when You load previously saved flight. Except for that - software is über cool and if You are considering it for PMDG I give my recommendation.i bought full Christmas pack with NGX emergency (didn't use it yet though, need to master base first) and airbusX version. It isn't that expensive for how it delivers. Voice recognition problems is a myth if You read manual which covers this issue and made few speech recognition trainings. I adore natural voices and in this case fs2crew is the KING.

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I have the 737ngx fs2crew but I may buy this package while its on sale for all the other products I don't have. I find the fs2crew product for 737ngx to be well worth the money given the amount of time I spend flying. I want to get the emergency package as well, so that I can simulate failures with a copilot. Have recently picked up the airbus, but given that it comes with a copiloit and cabin announcements I am still trying to decide if I want to upgrade to fs2crew.

 

You might want to check out FroogleSim's YouTube video on the Airbus extended and fs2crew. I believe his summation was that fs2crew adds an element of realism to AEX.

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Thanks Olli. I do have an active post about my full-screen issues on their forum. I actually didn't mean that I truly regret the purchase, but I am not the happiest camper yet. Time will tell.

 

So after NOT using the built-in checklist and co-pilot features, and NOT using FSX's pushback feature since each time I do it ends up in a crash, I am at FL370 in the Airbus using MCE.

 

This is actually cool man! Had to do a few things myself (maybe until I train it us recognize my voice better) but all in all, this is a pretty good experience with the Airbus. When it started he kept rambling about the crossfeed but it finally stopped. I remember reading about that somewhere. Anyway, it seems better as if there is someone there to talk to. I like this!

 

I will now surf to find out what limitations there are with the NGX using MCE. Still going to have to cough up some mula either way but I do like MCE's price best of the two.

You will find that MCE and the NGX is great value thanks to the SDK. You can create your own emergency flows and procedures yourself. It already came with engine and apu fire procedures, and I know some people have create hydraulic and pressurization emergency procedures with it as well. One package, and you can do so much with it. I use it on the Simcheck A300 (it actually gives you an active flight engineer with voice control) and the Coolsky DC9. I just tested it on the Captain Sim 727 and he can set heading, altitude and radios straight off the pack. And of course, the Majestic Dash8 is another great interaction.

 

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You might want to check out FroogleSim's YouTube video on the Airbus extended and fs2crew. I believe his summation was that fs2crew adds an element of realism to AEX.

Ive watched the videos already. I'm not really sure its enough of an improvement over the default co-pilot to justify the expense. I am still learning the airbus so I will wait and see if its a plane I stick with flying over the long term. 

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+1 More vote for mce.

 

Can't fly without it anymore.

 

If you want you can copy emergency scripts from the Ifly into NGX as per aircraft (identical planes).

For cabin crew i'm using DrV and Dave Herky's sounds.

 

 

John

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I have seen Froogle's flicks. Did some reading and checking and I have made my decision. I have never used voice control so this will be a very new experience. Hope it doesn't become too habit forming where I forget how to fly on my own. Just the other day I was saying to a guy here that I was not ready for voice control. Well, here I go...

 

I bought MCE and am downloading it now. Thanks to all who gave their input. When I saw a video of a guy using it with the NGX, it sold me. He had problems getting it to do the right things sometimes but he didn't say the command clearly and I can understand that unwanted things can happen. I definitely can.

 

So, there I was, at FL370, using the locked MCE with the A321 when my wife was talking to me and I forgot to mute the mic. Well, everything went tango uniform and I couldn't recover. I have no idea what the dude pushed but he pushed it good and I am not trained on the Airbus enough to know what all the warnings meant. All those perty red words and that horrendous noise the Master Caution/Warning was making told me, in no uncertain terms, that we were done for. Couldn't save her, sir! Parachute worked well though.

 

Note to self: Program a button on CH stick for PTT, rather than having open mic from now on!

 

Actually, I'm not really that ignorant but since I have had so few flights in the A321 due to some issues with the software that I haven't ironed out yet, I didn't know what all the warnings were trying to tell me. I looked at the overhead and all seemed fine (nothing glaring as to what got turned off or whatever he did) so I kilt 100 or so souls on that one. Actually, I haven't crashed anything for quite some time and I will not count this one against my record. CTL+c is my friend at such times. Didn't feel like flying her upside down like on that movie 'Flight'.

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I have seen Froogle's flicks. Did some reading and checking and I have made my decision. I have never used voice control so this will be a very new experience. Hope it doesn't become too habit forming where I forget how to fly on my own. Just the other day I was saying to a guy here that I was not ready for voice control. Well, here I go...

 

I bought MCE and am downloading it now. Thanks to all who gave their input. When I saw a video of a guy using it with the NGX, it sold me. He had problems getting it to do the right things sometimes but he didn't say the command clearly and I can understand that unwanted things can happen. I definitely can.

 

So, there I was, at FL370, using the locked MCE with the A321 when my wife was talking to me and I forgot to mute the mic. Well, everything went tango uniform and I couldn't recover. I have no idea what the dude pushed but he pushed it good and I am not trained on the Airbus enough to know what all the warnings meant. All those perty red words and that horrendous noise the Master Caution/Warning was making told me, in no uncertain terms, that we were done for. Couldn't save her, sir! Parachute worked well though.

 

Note to self: Program a button on CH stick for PTT, rather than having open mic from now on!

 

Actually, I'm not really that ignorant but since I have had so few flights in the A321 due to some issues with the software that I haven't ironed out yet, I didn't know what all the warnings were trying to tell me. I looked at the overhead and all seemed fine (nothing glaring as to what got turned off or whatever he did) so I kilt 100 or so souls on that one. Actually, I haven't crashed anything for quite some time and I will not count this one against my record. CTL+c is my friend at such times. Didn't feel like flying her upside down like on that movie 'Flight'.

There is an MCE forum with lots of help, but Dave Herky has mastered the art of using MCE. Look up his videos, and get in contact with him for hints and tips. I learnt lots!

 

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Why, thank you for the tip. I did see a Dave Herky video yesterday and I think it might be the one that clinched the deal.

I truly appreciate everybody's help on this. It's all good and I'll spend most of the day messing with this program (between honey-do requests of course).

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Why, thank you for the tip. I did see a Dave Herky video yesterday and I think it might be the one that clinched the deal.

I truly appreciate everybody's help on this. It's all good and I'll spend most of the day messing with this program (between honey-do requests of course).

 

Welcome aboard Dolph98

 

If you've installed the Ultimate Edition after initially going through the Aerosoft locked MCE edition, you need to restore to factory settings.

 

Click Start->All Programs->Multi Crew Experience->Tools->Restore factory settings.

 

That will force you to go through the wizard again, but you don't have to perform speech training this time.

 

Wizard will ensure pre-made scripts for various aircraft are copied to the relevant folders.

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