Looking forward to the update then. I really hope LM fixes these problems. I'm still not completely happy with XP10 yet and wanted to give P3D a shot. Basically I would like to have it like how it was in FSX, photoscenery looked great in that which I'm sure we both can agree. I've seen your screenshots when you were running that setup and it looked very nice. If LM can fix these issues, I will stay with P3D, if not I have no choice but to switch to XP10. 

 

I've come to the point where I think I rather fly with photoscenery vs ftx global+vector setup. The only downside of that is we get no night lighting or autogen, which I really hope they can bring that into photoscenery somehow. I'm sure its possible because I've seen it done before. Only if the scenery developers can somehow manage to work together and get missing features added. The 2 need to somehow merge in order to get the best of both worlds.

I have just run a comparison test between FSX and v2 using the same saved flight files, testing at different LODS and have found that P3Dv2 does indeed render at a lower LOD even at the same radius setting. So, setting both to 6.5, turning wide view aspect off with a zoom level of 1.00 shows an improvement in clarity to the mid to far distance in FSX. I also ran FSX at a LOD of 9.5 which sharpened up the mid and very far distance that bit more, though in motion it was impossible to see the change from 6.5... maybe on a big monitor it would be more obvious, but you would need to look hard, or zoom in a lot more...

 

P3D's lighting tends to give the scenery more contrast, which help to make the distance look a little clearer than it is, plus autogen is rendered much further from your aircraft, which helps if you have a product that places agn over photoscenery, like RevolutionX for Horizon's GenerationX.

 

I use a wider field of view, as I like to have a broad view of the scenery, plus I use weather settings that are realistic for our conditions, so using anything more that 30miles visability is not something you often see in real life... 10 to 20 is more like it. The new volumetric fog if used as a low level layer 0 - 500 MSL set at 5miles of less, gives a very real density to the atmosphere that occurs closer to the ground, thus hiding the terrain to some degree.... that is generally how I fly, but if you want ultra crisp, clear conditions, then it would be good if LM extended to LOD slider to at least 9.500000... maybe with a memory performance warning.

 

Some heavy crops.

 

P3Dv2 LOD 6.5

FSX LOD 6.5

FSX 9.5

Sorry to say this, but I don't like them all.

P3D v2 looks nearly the same like the others. I can't see any problem. I've to say that I don't like the photo sceneries very much.

Spirit

Sorry to say this, but I don't like them all.

Spirit

 

Well, they are not images to look good, or be liked, but, to show the difference in LOD's between platforms. No scenery is going to look good when isolating such a small portion of mid to far distance.

 

I CAN show it looking stunning, but that is not the point.

The clarity has some potential to improve. Look at this example here: http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showpost.php?p=880410&postcount=244

The clarity has some potential to improve. Look at this example here: http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showpost.php?p=880410&postcount=244

 

Indeed!...It all depends on the level of zoom though... you can make the scenery look sharper by zooming out, which is something I've always done. The quality of the scenery makes no difference to the way the sim displays it, in term of the different LOD's.

 

Some of the Horizon scenery is at 60cm per pixel, which is higher than the standard 1.2m per pixel of most FSX/P3D scenery... but the only way to make it less blurry in the mid to far distance is to increase the LOD radius, something P3D currently limits.

 

I accept that some people do not like photoscenery, and I agree it has it problems, but then so does landclass... I do find it strange that some feel the need to comment on the fact they don't like it, in a thread ONLY about that medium :(

 

Anyway... :smile:  This is why I like Photo... though I like Landclass too... for me, it doesn't get much better... its the detail, and its all really there :smile2:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The image quality and clarity of these 4 screenshots are excellent. The last picture is as real as it gets. You can win a contest with this shot. Congratulations.

 

I very much like photo scenery too. Nevertheless I also use land class based scenery. Look at these 4 shots made with FTX Australia SP4 scenery: http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showpost.php?p=883595&postcount=386

 

For me it’s not either or it’s rather both.

 

 

The image quality and clarity of these 4 screenshots are excellent. The last picture is as real as it gets. You can win a contest with this shot. Congratulations.

 

I very much like photo scenery too. Nevertheless I also use land class based scenery. Look at these 4 shots made with FTX Australia SP4 scenery: http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showpost.php?p=883595&postcount=386

 

For me it’s not either or it’s rather both.

 

Thank you RelaxX... and great FTX AU pics.... yep I'm all for having both too.

 

A bit OT but Earth Simulations are working on a new full UK photoscenery at 30cm per pixel, and full building/tree Autogen, which will look amazing. Its aimed at the professional market, but will be available for the home market too. As its for the pro market I assume (can't get on their site atm) its for P3Dv2, but this will raise concerns about memory usage... 30cm is a huge jump from 1.2, so I hope LM are able to ease the VAS issues, so it can cope with such products. Better buy some more storage too

 

Having been running some side-by-side comparisons between FSX and P3D with photoscenery the past couple of days I can say for certain that I get better texture loading, and suffer fewer blurries, in P3D. In FSX there are times when patches of scenery never fully resolve, or do so very late, whereas in P3D I always get crisp, full resolution, terrain around my AC, though I do see the terrain update ahead of my position ... bear in mind I'm not flying fast jets here. This is running AM=14 which without that line I do get noticeable late loading.

A bit OT but Earth Simulations are working on a new full UK photoscenery at 30cm per pixel, and full building/tree Autogen,

 

There are some preview screenshots HERE for anyone interested in following our progress with this project.

There are some preview screenshots HERE for anyone interested in following our progress with this project.

 

 

Its looking amazing Darren {or Vicky} B)

 

Will this be a full P3Dv2 product?... and is there an ETA?

 

Is this all new data, inc. Scotland?... GenX Scotland is a bit colourless in places (I know its not the most vivid landscape), and would I love to see it done better. Horizon was not the same after you left :wink: and your water masks (& everything else) are the business :Applause:

 

I assume, due to the size, this will be a physical release?

 

Sorry for all the questions :blush:

 

I'm currently running RevX as I really wanted buildings as well as trees... I do have Treescapes too and note the tree density is not as good as yours, so I am keen to see your full agn project.

There are some preview screenshots HERE for anyone interested in following our progress with this project.

 

Will this include southern Ireland??

 

Lyn

Will this be a full P3Dv2 product?... and is there an ETA?

 

It will be P3Dv2 compatible, Can't provide an accurate ETA sorry, but the 3D will be available ahead of most of the photo scenery areas  ( should you only want the 3D )

Is this all new data, inc. Scotland?... GenX Scotland is a bit colourless in places (I know its not the most vivid landscape), and would I love to see it done better. Horizon was not the same after you left  :wink: and your water masks (& everything else) are the business  :Applause:

 

The screenshots in the link are all taken in Northwest Scotland,  The source data for Scotland is in fact the same as GenX, but we've done a lot of work to improve on it, as I hope you can see from the screenies. Data for England and Wales is all new and is receiving the same treatment as Scotland to bring it to life. 

 

I assume, due to the size, this will be a physical release?

 

3D will be available by download, but yes, due to the huge sizes involved in producing 30cm photo scenery on this scale it will most likely be a physical product only.  Blueray, or SSD perhaps. The final methods have yet to be confirmed. 

 

Will this include southern Ireland??

 

 

Sadly no...at least not before the main UK has been completed when we'll perhaps be able to look at Eire. 

Thank you very much for the reply, which is most interesting... I have since been able to view all the screenshots and see it is certainly a step-up from what we have already... it looks simply stunning!.... B)

 

I will keep a close eye on development... we UK flyers are very lucky, with something to cater for all tastes with an abundance of options.

 

I'm not sure how many people have Blu-Ray drives, and it seems optical drives are used less and less. I've seen other scenery supplied on hard drives, so that could be a great option, depending on cost... I guess it would fill a lot of DVD's

 

Do you know roughly what the total size for the UK will be at 30cm PP?

 

 

Thanks again - I can't wait to see more.

 

PS.. shame about Ireland... I don't mind the abundant green of the current photoscenery, but I would love to see it done really well...

Do you know roughly what the total size for the UK will be at 30cm PP?

 

 

We won't know for sure till it's done, but to sure...it's going to be big. VERY big! 

 

The scenery is 16x more detailed than the current GenX for England & Wales. So for a rough comparison. GenX volume-1 weighs in around 22GB (at 1.2m per pixel imagery)  The same area as 30cm will increase to a whopping 352GB. at least.  :excl:

 

 

The same area as 30cm will increase to a whopping 352GB. at least. :excl:

 

WOW!... now that is huge.

 

Thank you.