Thank you very much for the info, love this aircraft and now with such a vc and pressurization system it's truly awesome! However I've never been able to properly fly this aircraft since v1.0 due to the lack of a manual.. I searched on avsim.ru but everything I found it's in russian and the only available english infos are not enough to really appreciate this aircraft in its deep complexity. Do you know about any translated manual or infos on the 134 or there's no chance to find anything for non russian speakers??

 

Thank you in advance!!

Carlo

Thank you very much for the info, love this aircraft and now with such a vc and pressurization system it's truly awesome! However I've never been able to properly fly this aircraft since v1.0 due to the lack of a manual.. I searched on avsim.ru but everything I found it's in russian and the only available english infos are not enough to really appreciate this aircraft in its deep complexity. Do you know about any translated manual or infos on the 134 or there's no chance to find anything for non russian speakers??

 

Thank you in advance!!

Carlo

What sort of manual are you looking for? There exists translated manuals on how to start plane, description of switches. And a small flying guide. Also very basic but yet broken document is too. All in english, but not enough. It's over at project tupolev's if interested.

Wow, outstanding plane!

 

Only issue I see so far is there is no VC lighting. The dome light turns on but cabin doesn't light up at all.

No, it doesn't. So far there is no instrument backlighting. Hopefully in future version will change.

I don't ask for the whole real world pilot operating handbook but I think that at least speeds, limitations, procedures and a little bit of system descriptions are necessary if you want to try flying this wonderful aircraft as it should!! I think a project tupolev like manual would be nice.. but, as you are telling me, maybe there's nothing like that on the internet. I've read a small guide from "ubsoft" about the switch description and I watched a video on yt about the startup sequence but yes, it's definitely not enough. Anyway thank you very much for your answer!!

I don't ask for the whole real world pilot operating handbook but I think that at least speeds, limitations, procedures and a little bit of system descriptions are necessary if you want to try flying this wonderful aircraft as it should!! I think a project tupolev like manual would be nice.. but, as you are telling me, maybe there's nothing like that on the internet. I've read a small guide from "ubsoft" about the switch description and I watched a video on yt about the startup sequence but yes, it's definitely not enough. Anyway thank you very much for your answer!!

 

Here short manual, has limitations, speeds, some system descriptions.

 

http://5gb.net/raajvdlztk0a

 

Here is how to navigate, but the thread is broken and photos missing.

 

http://www.protu-154.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4091

 

It's not enough to fly like a pro for non Russian speaker like with Tu-154B-2 & M. But it does get you in the air.

 

That only video startup tutorial on youtube is really really erroneous and not how you start the plane at all. I've seen real life startups of Tu-134 in real life, and it's heck, so much different. But all that is of course not simulated on SCS. Still, its very complex bird and definitely payware quality.

Hey Tushka thank you very much I didn't know about that!! Yes it's not the real manual but it contains way more infos than any stuff I found before! I hope SCS will include an english flying guide or manual in future releases since it's a pity that non russian speakers are unable to fully appreciate this wonderful rendition of the 134!

Honestly. as a more recent version for Tupolev Tu-134A-3 with VC was developed I would think more manuals would arrive. I do not believe it would be official from SCS but a Russian or a real Tupolev pilot might catch it and translate.

 

Unfortunately, FS9 seems to not be popular and it's weird how this plane did not catch a lot of attention, especially as it has really good VC. I tried to translate official manual myself to get more interest into Russian aviation but my english friend told me that he did not understand anything of my "vocabulary" after translating it... :( So it might take a while.

Honestly. as a more recent version for Tupolev Tu-134A-3 with VC was developed I would think more manuals would arrive. I do not believe it would be official from SCS but a Russian or a real Tupolev pilot might catch it and translate.

 

Unfortunately, FS9 seems to not be popular and it's weird how this plane did not catch a lot of attention, especially as it has really good VC. I tried to translate official manual myself to get more interest into Russian aviation but my english friend told me that he did not understand anything of my "vocabulary" after translating it... :( So it might take a while.

 

I really appreciate your effort in translating the original manual! If you need any help in the translation feel free to PM me all the stuff you want, where possible I'll give my contribution to complete the manual you are working on.

I like this model, as with other Russian models. Don't be phased with the language issue! I have been using this http://5gb.net/raajvdlztk0a as well and best to run on a second screen.

 

Regards

 

Sauviat

If it serves anybody who has issues flying this aircraft here is finally a very detailed startup tutorial with no mistakes (all the previous ones where done by amateurs starting it up very wrongly). The explanations are in Russian but should be enough for non-Russian speakers to understand.

 

http://www.avsim.su/f/obuchayushie-videomateriali-112/scs-tu-134a-3-preflight-preparation--54338.html?action=viewonline

 

If anybody has the old Ariane Tu-134 manuals it could be helpful to post somewhere. Ariane doesn't support this airplane or even mentioned on its homepage hence that old manual could be as a starting ground for building english manual, obviously correcting and adding information. I don't know how detailed it is and it's possible english manual must be built from scratch.

Thanks Tushka for this, I am still struggling with this plane. But it is one of the absolute best!

 

Sascha

Hi,

 

many thanks Tushka, this is extremely helpful. Although I did most of the procedures correct already, I think I have learnt why my BCY sometimes stopped working - overloaded by switching on too many electrical systems too early.

 

I realized that the Tu-134 slowly moves forward even with parking brakes set as soon as the engines are started - this is visible in this video, too. Is this a realistic behaviour?

 

Regards,

Harald

Hi,

 

many thanks Tushka, this is extremely helpful. Although I did most of the procedures correct already, I think I have learnt why my BCY sometimes stopped working - overloaded by switching on too many electrical systems too early.

 

I realized that the Tu-134 slowly moves forward even with parking brakes set as soon as the engines are started - this is visible in this video, too. Is this a realistic behaviour?

 

Regards,

Harald

 

In my case when engines is started the nose pushed down a bit, but gear does not move forward. If you suddenly start rolling after engine start are you sure the hydraulic akkumulator is charged?

 

The plane however, like many others is FS9, is creeping very very slowly forward after engine start barely noticeable is most likely a bug (on FS9), could be wrong joystick throtle settings or plane is very light. Happens rarely in the Tu-154M as well unfortunately.

The plane however, like many others is FS9, is creeping very very slowly forward after engine start barely noticeable is most likely a bug (on FS9)

 

This is the effect I meant. So we can't do much against it.

 

Tushka, may I ask you some questions more about the plane, as you obviously know it from reality as well as from the Simulator?

1. About the Autopilot: Am I right that the autopilot only holds the course I set manually? Or did Soviet Tu-134s have a kind of Inertial Navigation System or something equal to follow a defined course automatically?

 

2. What's the purpose or function of the soft (myahko) VOR?

 

The Navigator's panel of the Tu-134 is still a big mistery for me... I managed to get the VORs to work but can't switch the identifier sounds off etc. It would be nice to have a tutorial video about it. Do you know one? It's no problem if it is in Russian, I do understand the basics. Unfortunately, it's too difficult for me to understand the original (real world) manuals which are available at avsim.su.

 

I ask myself how long Tu-134s will still fly in the real world? Is it true that they are phased out by law in the Russian Federation?

 

Thanks,

Harald

This is the effect I meant. So we can't do much against it.

 

Tushka, may I ask you some questions more about the plane, as you obviously know it from reality as well as from the Simulator?

1. About the Autopilot: Am I right that the autopilot only holds the course I set manually? Or did Soviet Tu-134s have a kind of Inertial Navigation System or something equal to follow a defined course automatically?

 

2. What's the purpose or function of the soft (myahko) VOR?

 

The Navigator's panel of the Tu-134 is still a big mistery for me... I managed to get the VORs to work but can't switch the identifier sounds off etc. It would be nice to have a tutorial video about it. Do you know one? It's no problem if it is in Russian, I do understand the basics. Unfortunately, it's too difficult for me to understand the original (real world) manuals which are available at avsim.su.

 

I ask myself how long Tu-134s will still fly in the real world? Is it true that they are phased out by law in the Russian Federation?

 

Thanks,

Harald

 

The Tu-134 holds course manually, but autopilot can follow the tracks automatically if you navigate with autonomous navigation system, which is an extremely advanced RNAV capable system and very precise. A good navigator can fly more accurately than a GPS.

 

It uses doppler radar equipment DISS that sends radio signals and detects waves from the ground. It also takes aircraft speed in account and can also deviate course due to winds. Accuracy is 0.5% for speed and ±20' for slip measurement. It's modelled in the Tu-134A-3 and is my primary means of navigation as it's a safer feeling to navigate than relying on the GPS (I'm talking about KLN, not Trimble approach). NAS-1 navigation is also available on An-24.

 

Also you can use RSBN (which I guess you're familiar with?) which is also coupling to the AP, along with VOR navigation which might be the best in foreign airspace for SID/STARs.

 

About your second question, which instrument (soft VOR) are you exactly referring to? Could you explain where it is located or a small screenshot of the device/system? As far as I know I'm currently confused.

 

There is an identifier device on navigator panel, where you have to simply rotate the switch to another value shall you not want to listen to the morse sounds of VOR1, VOR2, ARK1 or 2 (ADF). And about tutorial video unfortunately there is none at the moment (in fact full flight is not even available Tu-154). But there are quite a few startup videos, real life navigator explaining navigation etc etc. If there's anything specific I could try looking for it.

 

Tu-134 is still flying in the real world most notably for private operators and VIP. As for Russia most notable airlines are Utair Express and Alrosa however not very active. It's a sad statement that Medvedev personally recommended airlines to switch to newer equipment ditching the old Russian built ones in favor of foreign western manufactured not helping the Russian economy at all. Situation now has improved but this is because of a change in politics.

Tushka, I basically know what RSBN is, but I haven't learnt yet to use it. However I had no idea at all about the RNAV system in the Tu-134. Much to explore when I'm back from my GA trip.

 

The Myagko VOR switch is situated at the lower left corner of the overhead panel. See attached Screenshot from Version 1.2. There's a switch (turned to "vykl"/off in the picture) signed with VOR myagko:

 

 

Private operations are the kind of operations I use the Tu-134 for, too, as I'm not disciplined enough for airline operations. I can understand that airlines want to switch to more modern and efficient equipment - but what about modern Russian planes? Is there no successor to the Il-96 in sight? At least I can watch Aeroflot's SSJ-100 here in Dresden.