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fs9 vs fsx flight dynamics?

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What I would like to know is if fs9 treats cfg entries the same as fsx, for example if I take the flight tuning, contact points, engine data, and airplane geometry from an fsx plane's cfg and put it in an fs9 planes cfg replacing the old entries would it behave like it did in fsx?

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For most planes, yes.  There is a difference in the "feel" of FSX vs FS9, but that is true for all aircraft.

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Ya , I do know that planes can tend to be more touchy in fs9 but what about things like stalls and spins?

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 rwat, i dont think stalls and spins depends on sim version, but how stalls and spins are modeled by developers. Go to RealAir website and download their freeware C172 for FS9. Stalls and spins are well modeled. 

 

i'd like to hear some opinions on this from aircraft developers, i allways had a strange feeling that we have been actually "forced" from FS9 to FSX only becouse their products looks better in FSX :) Most of people moved to FSX becouse of new planes which are not available for FS9. I still use both simulators.

 

I remember someone from PMDG stated once(when they decided not to support FS9 anymore) that except visuals, they can make some more things regarding flight dynamics. Aircrafts definitelly feels different. I'd like to hear something more about this from experts - PMDG, RealAir, A2A...

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That was just an example of airplane behavior that is hard to get right and I do have the freeware realair c172. The reason I was asking this is because I'm considering getting the carenado c185 for fs9 and their are flight dynamics upgrades for the fsx verstion done by a few real pilots. What I want to know is if I put the modified contact points, airplane geometry ect. into the fs9 versions cfg will it behave like these upgrades make it behave in fsx?

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I don't know that, sorry. I think fde will work, but aircraft.cfg differs in fs9.I can't say for sure. I hoppe someone will tell us more :)

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There are differences like the entries for the preset views that put the camera in different positions like at the landing gear or on the vertical stabilizer for example and another difference is the entries for the different paints of a plane. But Other than that they are the same from what I can see so I can use everything else in the cfg, which is the part I need anyways. Thanks for the help and I hope that someone knowledgeable about this will give us an answer. But I think I may get it without a definitive answer anyways idk. I just hate spending more money on planes than the software I'm using them on was worth when it was new back in 2004 lol I'm just a broke 16 yr old :Cry:.

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Hi,

 

This would normally work fine (you might also need to copy the FSX AIR file as well), but if they did something tricky it might not work (not sure what, but these payware outfits often go way beyond the SDK and into unknown territory).

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Yes I am aware that the air file will be nececery as well and I don't believe carenado would be an issue since their main focus is visual appearance though they do pretty good with flight models, but with other company like A2A and PDMG use outside software to create ultra realistic flight models because they don't want to deal with the limitations of MSFS if I understand correctly. (I could be wrong though but this is what I've heard) Though the fsx air files may not work in fs9.

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Hi,

 

rwat, could you please point us to these modified flight dynamics by providing a link or a file name? I'd like to test them with the C185 for FS2004.

Thanks!

 

Harald

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Hi,

 

rwat, could you please point us to these modified flight dynamics by providing a link or a file name? I'd like to test them with the C185 for FS2004.

Thanks!

 

Harald

 

http://www.carenado.com/CarSite/Portal/index.php?accion=update

 

Look for the "C185 FSX - Optional Patch"

 

It appears that the Patch for the FS 2004 version has been removed. I installed the patch for the Bush version when it was available, but didn't notice a big difference. However, after reading some comments from RW pilots flying the Skywagon, I came to the conclusion that the 185 is a twitchy airplane by nature, and that she has to be handled with very soft hands at the flare. Landing speed is critical, and she has to be eased onto the runway or else she'll start to bounce.

 

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Thanks Alan!

 

I found the C185 to react very sensitive particularly to flap movements and looked for a confirmation of this behaviour. Will test the patch.

 

Harald

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I have over a thousand hours in the RW C185 and so when I got the Carenado product, I did some tweaking of the .cfg for FS9. But I have to emphasize:

1. It was the Tundra tires version, so the changed contact points will not work properly with the standard C185

2. I have very limited skills when it comes to this kind of thing, so I would definitely not claim that my changes are the definitive ones.

What I changed was:

1. Contact points for the tundra version were based on the standard one and main wheels were too low. (Because tundra tires have larger radius and Carenado apparently didn't test it with the different version - though they may have fixed it with later releases as I did write to them)

2. Pilot eye point was too low. Though I'm below average height, I could still see more over the nose of the real thing than I could in Carenado's version

3. I can definitely verify, based on some very embarrassing experiences, that the 185 has to be handled right on landing or it will BOUNCE and BOUNCE and probably bounce one more time! LOL But it isn't "twitchy" really - it is lighter on the controls than say the C206 but is a very pleasant aircraft to fly with controls that are responsive but still very stable.

 

To minimize stressing the tail-wheel, normal landing is to do a "wheel landing" with a little bit of power on to give good elevator authority and try to kiss the wheels on in a slightly tail low attitude. (I do mean slightly low - inches - just a little past level with the ground) As soon as the wheels touch or even just before, check slightly forward on the controls to plant the wheels firmly on the ground (avoiding floating which will lead to some comical bouncing) to get rid of some lift while closing the throttle at the same time. This tail up attitude also gives you a better forward view than a three-point landing as well as being more able to handle any wind gusts or cross wind. Hold the tail up until just before you lose elevator authority and then lower the tail-wheel gently onto the ground. Stir well and add a dash of vodka - oops, wrong recipe!) :-)

Cheers

Ian

ps. Same technique is also used for the DC3 - you would almost never do a three-point landing in this aircraft

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Ian,

 

You are absolutely right; I should have said "twitchy on Final" instead of "... by nature". The Skywagon IS very docile in Cruise, and is very stable in both turns and when climbing/ descending.

 

Poor choice of words on my part.

 

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Ian,

 

a perfect tutorial. I bought the normal wheeled C185 when there was a sale recently, and I still regret not to have bought the bush version, too. However I tested this plane at a little airport (Milford sound) and gave 3 notches of flaps. It would have been hard not to land on two wheels...!

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Oh sorry guys maybe avsim blocked the link for whatever reason, just go to the downloads section of bushpounders.com and it is on the top of the list these cfg and air file upgrades were done by the same guy as the update posted on carenado.com I believe, and they are just more accurate as they have flight models for the tundra, float, amphibian ski and normal models and it would be great if you could try these kiwiflyer45 and tell us how realistic they are since you have flown the real thing. (:

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Oh sorry guys maybe avsim blocked the link for whatever reason,

I don't see where anyone edited your post to remove a link.  I know I didn't remove it, at any rate.  If you send me a PM with the link, I'll see if there is any reason why it might not have stuck.

Cheers,

Jeff

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Maybe I backspaced it without realizing it, the source of the link is easy to find so it does not matter anyways. (:

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Hi,

 

the .air file from this download crashes my sim (it's for FS X, isn't it?). Will using the aircraft.cfg modifications alone without using this .air file bring any benefits?

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