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So is no one using Nvidia Inpsector in 2.2?

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I went ahead and bought 2.2 last night, and even without any addons installed it is pretty awesome! However, in some VCs (like in Carenado/Alabeo aircraft) there are lots of shimmers and jaggies on the gauges... I can force SGSSAA throught NI but the performance impact is pretty major, especially on my 660 Ti.

 

Is everyone just using the built in multisampling? 

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I don't use inspector in V2.2, I tried SGSS but it's very heavy on the FPS. In app settings are fine with great performance.

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Hmmm, well everything is pretty awesome except for the gauges in some of the more detailed aircraft... :( 4x MSAA still produces lots of shimmering and it is rather distracting.

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Hmmm, well everything is pretty awesome except for the gauges in some of the more detailed aircraft... :( 4x MSAA still produces lots of shimmering and it is rather distracting.

Exactly why I'm using NI. Can't tolerate the shimmering VC gauge textures and I dont see much different in performance, at least for the gains in quality.

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Exactly why I'm using NI. Can't tolerate the shimmering VC gauge textures and I dont see much different in performance, at least for the gains in quality.

 

Are you using Supersampling transparency or Sparse Grid Supersampling?

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I saw big performance improvements after I dropped my Inspector profile and just went with in-game settings.  I can live with some gauge and runway-line shimmering.  The only thing that's really bothering me at the moment is the FTX Global lights - in the distance, as they fade in, they're a shimmery mess and it's really a distraction.  So I've just begun to experiment with going back to NI for supersampling (or SGSS if it comes to it).  No results to report yet.  I'd be interested to hear if others have dealt with this particular issue, and if so, how.  

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Hmmm, well everything is pretty awesome except for the gauges in some of the more detailed aircraft... :( 4x MSAA still produces lots of shimmering and it is rather distracting.

 

Having "Mipmap VC panels" on can cut the VC shimmers sometimes.

 

gb.

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I'm using NI just to force 4xSGSS.   Without it the ORBX night lights in the distance are a shimmering mess.  I haven't noticed much of a performance hit because I seem to have plenty of head room on my 680 GTX.  The only time it gets close to 100% usage is when I'm not CPU bound and the frame rates are good.  When the frame rates are lower, I'm CPU bound and GPU usage is only at 50% so the extra AA doesn't have much of an impact.....

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Using the built in 2x multisampling and the 2x SGSSAA seems to still yield good results without destroying performance too badly. I was getting around 20-25 frames at FSDT KJFK with overcast conditions in the Qualitywings 757.

 

Speaking of which, the QW 757's gauges are still pretty legible even without the SGSSAA. I don't know what it is about the Carenado cockpits, but they seem to shimmer more than any addon I have used...

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I'm using NI just to force 4xSGSS.   Without it the ORBX night lights in the distance are a shimmering mess.  I haven't noticed much of a performance hit because I seem to have plenty of head room on my 680 GTX.  The only time it gets close to 100% usage is when I'm not CPU bound and the frame rates are good.  When the frame rates are lower, I'm CPU bound and GPU usage is only at 50% so the extra AA doesn't have much of an impact.....

 

I apologize for the double post, but wow, I certainly know what you mean. I finished downloading my copy of the triple installer for ORBX PNW from the FlightSimStore, and yes the shimmering on the 3D lighting is FAR more annoying than the cockpits...

 

I am thinking it might just be best to save up for a GTX 880 whenever it is released, or maybe wait for better SLI support and get dual graphics cards. I was hoping just the built in anti aliasing would look better, given that is what the majority of 2.2 adopters seem to be using.

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Yeah I'm not shelling out $700 to get the very next generation and an extra 2 FPS.  I'll wait for the 880... My 680 seems to be doing pretty well with P3D v2 and overall I'm quite pleased with the performance.  I have the graphics turned up pretty heavy with tons of AI traffic and I'm still getting good results.

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I recently moved from a GTX 680 to a 780ti.  It didn't help at all with AA (didn't expect it to) but it performs better in many other respects - it chews through clouds and volumetric fog, and it's much better on shadows, though you still have to be selective.  

 

Glad to hear I'm not the only one struggling with the shimmering ORBX lights.  I'll try one of the SGSS settings in NI and see if that helps.

 

UPDATE: Setting 4xSGSS in NI (with no other changes from the global default profile) helped tame the FTX Global light shimmers, but at quite a performance cost.  Tomorrow I'll backtrack to 2X SGSS and see if that might be the answer.  

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I saw big performance improvements after I dropped my Inspector profile and just went with in-game settings.  I can live with some gauge and runway-line shimmering.  The only thing that's really bothering me at the moment is the FTX Global lights - in the distance, as they fade in, they're a shimmery mess and it's really a distraction.  So I've just begun to experiment with going back to NI for supersampling (or SGSS if it comes to it).  No results to report yet.  I'd be interested to hear if others have dealt with this particular issue, and if so, how.  

No problems here with FTX Global lights, a bit shimmery but only in the far distance.

 

I tested with SGSS 4x and my frames dropped from +/-38 to 25/28 FPS with ORBX PNW in the A2A Cessna. Without an Inspector profile I get a stable 38/40 FPS in the same situation but a little shimmering. I can't find a big difference between 2x and 4x SGSS performance.

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Have mine set to 4xsgssaa in NI and it smooth as silk and visually great. Occasionally get a jaggy runway line but majority of them are fine

 

 

Vic

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Yeah I'm not shelling out $700 to get the very next generation and an extra 2 FPS.  I'll wait for the 880... My 680 seems to be doing pretty well with P3D v2 and overall I'm quite pleased with the performance.  I have the graphics turned up pretty heavy with tons of AI traffic and I'm still getting good results.

Good point. I just added a second GTX680 classified. I am reinstalling my OS and prepar3d at the moment. Will be interested to see what SLI does now and later when it is officially supported.

 

Would one of you mind posting some screenshots of your current working nvidia inspector profiles?

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Have mine set to 4xsgssaa in NI and it smooth as silk and visually great. Occasionally get a jaggy runway line but majority of them are fine

 

 

Vic

 

That's where I'm coming out.  Just ran some more tests - good results with 4X SGSS and although I'm trading off some frames, I'm still running about 30 and performance is smooth.  That's with cloud coverage at maximum, cloud shadows on at 20,000 meters, some other shadows selected, vegetation at dense and buildings at normal.  Traffic at 15 percent via MyTraffic.  Aircraft is the Manfred Jahn C-47v2 - I might have more trouble with a more graphically demanding aircraft (but on the other hand, why fly anything else?  B) )

 

 

Would one of you mind posting some screenshots of your current working nvidia inspector profiles?

 

I've got AA supersampling set to 4X sparse grid supersampling, everything else at default, 780ti and 337.50 beta driver.

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Good point. I just added a second GTX680 classified. I am reinstalling my OS and prepar3d at the moment. Will be interested to see what SLI does now and later when it is officially supported.

 

Would one of you mind posting some screenshots of your current working nvidia inspector profiles?

I'm away from home so I can't post my exact profile, but to get the SGSSAA to work just set the anti aliasing to enhance and select the appropriate sparse grid super sampling option from the transparency super sampling drop down menu.

 

Remember that the SGSSAA setting should match the built in multi sampling setting, so if you're using 4x in game you should use 4x in Nvidia Inspector, etc.

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I can't do without the 4x SGSS to reduce the shimmering cockpits. I just dial back a few other settings to compensate. P3d looks stunning.

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Good point. I just added a second GTX680 classified. I am reinstalling my OS and prepar3d at the moment. Will be interested to see what SLI does now and later when it is officially supported.

 

Would one of you mind posting some screenshots of your current working nvidia inspector profiles?

Please keep me informed, I'm interested to know how SLI performs as well, and whether in the future I'd best upgrade cards or add a second.  For now though I'm very happy with this release and finally can enjoy flying and not tweaking and worrying about hardware.  

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Just a quick follow-up - I misspoke about the Manfred Jahn C-47v2.  It's actually pretty demanding (there's a lot of background processing going on).  It costs me 10 frames compared to the Aircraft Factory Uhu, which performs more like a default aircraft  The Uhu gave me about 40 fps in situations where the C-47 ran at 30, give or take.

 

I get marginally better results with AA behavior flags set to "none" - not sure why, but "enhance" gives me more stutters and slightly more shimming.

 

P3D2 isn't as strange a beast as FSX, but it still has its quirks.

 

It'd be nice if NVidia could give us decent AA results out of the box.

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See also NI settings on picture ...I am absolutely happy with this guide.
 
FXAA off in both P3D and NI
I am with you on this one Harry, it is the best yet as far as I am concerned.  I am using a 40" LED and the picture quality is far superior to anything that I have tried.  Thanks for sharing the link.

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I still use it with this guide

http://simmershome.de/prepar3d-v2-2-guide-installation-und-einstellungen/

 

it is in German, go to position

 

2. Einstellungen

    1. ...

    ...

    5. Getätigte Einstellungen ...

 

See also NI settings on picture ...I am absolutely happy with this guide.

 

FXAA off in both P3D and NI

 

Cheers,

Harry

 

Thanks for the link Harry, this is similar to what I've been trying to use and it does yield great visuals.

 

 

I get marginally better results with AA behavior flags set to "none" - not sure why, but "enhance" gives me more stutters and slightly more shimming.

 

P3D2 isn't as strange a beast as FSX, but it still has its quirks.

 

It'd be nice if NVidia could give us decent AA results out of the box.

 

I will try removing the "enhance" behavioral flag and see how it affects things.

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Good point. I just added a second GTX680 classified. I am reinstalling my OS and prepar3d at the moment. Will be interested to see what SLI does now and later when it is officially supported.

 

Just a quote from Beau over at P3D:

 

" If you have multiple monitors and multiple views, then you'll generally be better off driving a display from each video card than using SLI."

 

http://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=6352.0

 

gb.

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