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  • Commercial Member

So you are saying that the US Appropriations SubCommitee is a hoax?!! Is your head really that deep in the sand?

Did somebody there say "We are planning to use HAARP to cause immense destruction all around the world to our enemies" or something similar? 

 

Yeah, I thought not. 

 

And even if they did why should I care? I'm quite convinced humankind is going to destroy itself in no time anyway so who cares if some crazy government slightly sped up the process?

 

You know, governments aren't to be blamed for all the massive issues humankind is facing, the greed which is part of very basic human nature is. Conspiracy theorists seem to think governments are some kind of big evil while in fact the problem is in all of us. 

  • Moderator

What do I think? I should think it obvious that no aircraft on the planet can simultaneously carry the load of passengers, baggage and/or cargo, the fuel required + reserves, and...

 

...the additional TONS of chemicals that would be required to produce those hypothetical "chemtrails..." :rolleyes:

Fr. Bill    

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Said the work had been completed. Didn't say if that was because it failed so horribly even government bureaucrats weren't willing to throw good money after bad anymore... but I'm definitely willing to wager that was the case.

I find the various conspiracy theories regarding HAARP to be quite amusing. I have worked professionally in the radio communications field for my entire adult life - not only as an avionics specialist, but also as a licensed broadcast engineer. I have also been a licensed amateur radio operator since age 14.

 

The misconceptions that some people have about the ionosphere are truly staggering.

 

Here are some facts. HAARP was intended to investigate techniques of inducing areas of increased ionization in a limited and geographically specific area of the ionosphere, primarily to support long-distance radio communications.

 

HAARP has also been used by scientists in many disciplines in the study of the of the ionosphere itself.

 

At certain radio frequencies, mainly in the HF (3 to 30 MHz) range, the ionosphere acts as a reflective "mirror" permitting radio waves to travel hundreds or thousands of miles between two locations on the earth's surface.

 

This characteristic of the ionosphere has been used for decades - for international shortwave broadcasting, by ships and aircraft to communicate when far from land, and by amateur radio hobbyists like myself.

 

The ionosphere normally will not reflect radio waves at higher frequencies in the VHF or UHF range, though at certain times of the year, sporadic patches of more intense ionization do spontaneously form, which can support long distance propagation of VHF signals that would normally be limited to much shorter distances. This enhanced radio propagation might last for just a few minutes, or perhaps a few hours. When it happens, radio "hams" can often communicate with each other over distances of thousands of miles, using extremely low powered transmitters.

 

Being able to use the ionosphere in this way was of interest to the military, especially for long-distance tactical communications over polar regions. The HAARP project was mainly concerned with finding ways to induce reliable and predictable patches of increased ionization in the ionosphere - similar to what occurs naturally (but unpredictably).

 

The HAARP antenna array does this by bombarding the ionosphere directly above the site with approximately 4 megawatts of intense RF energy in the HF frequency range.

 

Now, to the average person, the idea of generating 4 million watts of energy and directing it into the upper atmosphere may seem quite intimidating - surely injecting that amount of energy is going to have some kind of long-lasting and "nefarious" effect, right?

 

Actually - no. The fact is, the sun itself - through the effect of incoming radiation and solar particles, injects, on average, 30 gigawatts... That is 30 BILLION watts of energy, into the ionosphere on the sunlit side of the earth EVERY SECOND. And that is just the average power flux, on an average day. During times of increased solar activity, the power density injected into the ionosphere every second can be much higher than that - sometimes over 100 billion watts. PER SECOND!

 

By comparison, the paltry 4 million watt output of HAARP is next to nothing. It would be like an ant trying to move an elephant.

 

The misconception that so many seem to have is that the ionosphere can somehow be "damaged" by something like HAARP, which is absurd. The ionosphere is simply a form of plasma - an area of ionized gas atoms - which only exists in the first place due to the continuous bombardment of solar radiation in the upper atmosphere. The ionosphere is not a "solid" that can be permanently damaged or deformed - any more than you could "damage" the water in a swimming pool by jumping into it.

 

The ionosphere pretty much disappears every single night on the dark side of the earth, and during intense solar flares, it can be almost completely obliterated for a period of time. Those of us who are "ham" radio hobbyists will often be the first to be aware that this has occurred by the sudden and complete disappearance of long-distance radio communications in the HF bands.

 

I think the main reason that HAARP is now being discontinued is technology has advanced. The military's need to use ionospheric propagation for tactical communications has been supplanted by satellites and other techniques.

 

I've probably bored some of you to tears with this long dissertation, but the HAARP "conspiracy" has always been a pet peeve of mine. In any case, I just got a call from my maintenance director that we have an aircraft coming in with an inoperative chemtrail dispenser, so I have to run...

Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

 

 


The ionosphere normally will not reflect radio waves at higher frequencies in the VHF or UHF range, though at certain times of the year, sporadic patches of more intense ionization do spontaneously form, which can support long distance propagation of VHF signals that would normally be limited to much shorter distances.

 

I grew up in western Colorado, and as a boy I remember flipping through the TV channels (we could only pick up two VHF channels back then) and stopping on one of the channels that was usually empty.  To my astonishment, it was a station somewhere in Canada.  It lasted about twenty minutes and then rather quickly faded to noise and we were never able to pick it up again.

Richard P. Kelly

I grew up in western Colorado, and as a boy I remember flipping through the TV channels (we could only pick up two VHF channels back then) and stopping on one of the channels that was usually empty. To my astonishment, it was a station somewhere in Canada. It lasted about twenty minutes and then rather quickly faded to noise and we were never able to pick it up again.

Yep, that's classic "sporadic E-layer skip". It would usually affect analog TV channels 2 and 3 most often. The amateur radio 6 meter band is located just below VHF TV channel 2, and seeing distant stations on that channel was a good indicator that the adjacent ham radio band would be open for longer-than-usual distances. We're actually heading into the season where this sporadic phenomonon is most likely to occur - it typically peaks in May and June.

 

Since all US TV stations went digital in 2009, it is much more difficult to see distant stations on the lower channels - the ionosphere distorts the digital data in the signal to such an extent that distant receivers cannot decode it.

 

There has been a lot of theories put forth as to why this summertime increase in ionospheric density occurs. One possibility is that it may be caused by intense thunderstorms, which inject unusual amounts of energy from lightning bolts into the ionosphere. Mother Nature's own version of HAARP...

Jim Barrett

Licensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.

What do I think? I should think it obvious that no aircraft on the planet can simultaneously carry the load of passengers, baggage and/or cargo, the fuel required + reserves, and...

 

...the additional TONS of chemicals that would be required to produce those hypothetical "chemtrails..." :rolleyes:

 

You know the saying: "Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory".

 

But it all works out fine I think. The conspiracy theorists gets ad revenue from their Youtube channels, the people who can't function properly without having something to get upset about gets what they need and the sensible of us gets a good laugh.

Rolf Lindbom

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  • Commercial Member

I do have my doubts about passenger aircraft being used for chem trails. But here in SA we get plenty of em mixed alongside regular contrails so there is more than sufficient evidence to know that something is different between the 2. If I recall correct there is a USAF presence in Botswana just north of us so I wouldn't be surprised if they are using C-135s or other such large military aircraft for this. Also I have yet to correlate one of these aircraft going over here with a known commercial flight.

 

Also the South African weather bureau was public about weather modification trials being done a while back, specifically dealing with cloud generation as well as cloud seeding. This country is kindof a testing ground.

Jonathan "FRAG" Bleeker

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  • Moderator

There are times when I find myself wondering if there is such a thing as a "stupid spray" that's being spread around the planet. It often appears to me that the proliferation of the internet and the various social media outlets has led to a rapid and generalized decline in intelligence, and a concomitant increase in gullibility.

Fr. Bill    

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I don't think there has been a significant increase in human stupidity during the last few decades, it's just that the internet has made it much more apparent.

Rolf Lindbom

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