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FS9 will not load Level D 767 for Win98/ME in case you did not know

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Hello,I was not aware that FS9 doesn't load the levelD 767 for win98/ME until after I purchased the plane tonight. The FAQ states that the plane will not work with win98/ME but I could not read the FAQ until after purchase. This is the first add on I've purchased that FS9 refuses to load at startup.I'm testing the Flight1 refund process now...pmiller

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Pmiller,On the Flight1 purchase page it says very clearly under the heading "FS compatability/system requirements":"Windows XP is the official operating system that is supported for use with the 767. Any other operating system is not supported."I don't think it is fair to criticize Flight1.

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Hello,I'm read that on Flight1 that xp is the supported os for767 but ALL other products that I have ever purchased from flight1 (and I have purchased many and like flight1 a lot) that state that XP is the supported OS have always worked on win98. This is the FIRST time ever that FS9 actually has a pop-up box that states that the aircraft will not load into FS that I have ever encountered in all my 15 years of flight simming. I don't mind that it will not run on win98 I just would have liked to see a more clear statement on flight1 like the statement that appears on levelD's FAQ page (which you can't see until you purchase) that states clearly that the 767 will NOT work at ALL in win98... Perhaps that FAQ should appear in the non-registered forum on LEVELD?This is constructive suggestion for the flight 1 and LEVELD, that's all, so others will avoid my experience. I'm not angry I'm just letting others know what happened to me.Pmiller

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Hello,Here is what flight1 has as requirements for the Concorde. This is very clear and I know when I read this that I cannot run this on my PC so I would not purchase:Flight Simulator 2004 Windows

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I think you misunderstood my message. The text I quoted is on the Flight1 PURCHASE page. You must go to this page to purchase the 767. I am not sure how you could claim not to have been aware of this?Unless, of course, you purchased it without reading that page at all:http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=ld767:-hmmm

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I agree that "not supported" is not the same as "won't work". I think your suggestion to revise the wording on the requirements is a good one.Doug

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Hi Guys,I agree, it states This product is only compatible with FS2004, so of course, FS2004 is required. It should also state This product is only compatible with Windows XP instead of; Windows XP is the official operating system that is supported for use with the 767. Any other operating system is not supported.There is a difference between supported and not compatable.Mike

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Maybe someone could explain to me why people would hang on to a 7 year old OS?, I couldnt wait to drop 98/ME.Dan.

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Hi Dan,I have two computers, one has Windows 98 on it and one has Windows XP Pro. I use both computers on a daily basis. I refuse to pay Microsoft for an additional license to run Windows XP Pro on my second system, So I use (without problems) Windows 98 on my second system.Mike

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Maybe it only needs gdiplus.dll (like pmdg & fanda dash8)??I'm still using 98se too!!P

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>Maybe someone could explain to me why people would hang on to>a 7 year old OS?, I couldnt wait to drop 98/ME.>>Dan.Certainly. I have ME. Everything I currently use works on ME so why change? I should add that I'm still on 2K2 so, obviously, a lot of the newer add-ons for 2K4 (if I had it) wouldn't work.I'm not a computer expert at all and am not sure if there is, or isn't, some clever way to install XP over my current ME with no probs at all. If there is, I may be interested. But then again, if everythings working, why change?Dan, don't take this the wrong way, I'm writing whilst fully respecting your opinion.Best!http://online.vatsimindicators.net/916312/3.png

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>Maybe someone could explain to me why people would hang on to>a 7 year old OS?, I couldnt wait to drop 98/ME.>>Dan.I upgraded about 1 1/2 years ago from ME to WinXP Pro, but I still use Win98SE on my 500mhz Laptop, and see no reason to change it.I guess the same analogy and questions could be asked about people using 12 hours to download a product because they still use a dial up connection instead of paying more for something different like broadband, cable, dsl, etc....Some won't pay that money for a better Internet connection, and some don't see value in a new Operating system when the old one works just fine.I was miffed at Microsoft since upgrading from WinME to WinXP caused my MS Word 2000 to no longer work. So I adapted, and now I use the 100% Freeware OpenOffice.org Office Suite for my home and my business. I can still save in MS Formats, and create PDF's as well.I had a few other programs that no longer worked either, but I adapted. I still feel Win98SE was a decent OS, but WinME was terrible and never should have been released, IMHO.SO Dan, I think it all comes down to each person's expectations and what they value as well as their reasons may be different from yours.As for Flight1's Disclaimer on OS, I think they could have phrased it better, and move the statement up to reflect that it is not compatible with other OS, vs not supported, which has very common use definitions.But the person can get a refund, but Flight1 still needs to be more clear in their ads prior to purchase.Regards,Joe****************Grab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

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>I guess the same analogy and questions could be asked about>people using 12 hours to download a product because they still>use a dial up connection instead of paying more for something>different like broadband, cable, dsl, etc....>Not the same comparison.I would have loved to change over to DSL earlier than I did, but it wasn't available here. Cable is low quality.And as I paid by the minute for dialup my

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I made a mistake and used the word discount when I meant Refund.Once you get WinXP Pro, let me know and I can help you out with hardware Profiles and stuff I learned over at Black Viper.I think the comparison is valid because it is still an expectation driven decision, in addition to cost. Maybe the $200 for WinXP, that person can't see the value in that, the same as you don't see the value in the English version right now because of cost.Regards,Joe****************Grab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

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Joe,So are so combative in your replies without first getting the full facts my friend."I guess the same analogy and questions could be asked about people using 12 hours to download a product because they still use a dial up connection instead of paying more for something different like broadband, cable, dsl, etc...."In our little country with have a company called BT, the most useless telecommunications company in the world, if I could get ADSL I would upgrade without a moments thought, but because of the fact that the said company in question operate purely on profit, it is not profitable for them to unable our local telephone exchange to take ADSL, and as such is physically IMPOSSIBLE for me to get a broadband connect, not for want of trying I tell you.The fact I asked is because many people seem afraid of change, fair enough I guess, but I believe that XP was such a huge jump for MS that everyone should be reaping the benefits of such a leap in this OS.I wasnt at all gunning for an agruement, something which you do seem to enjoy insighting, it was a genuine question as to why someone would want to miss out on the benefits of upgrading.As too the original question, it is clearly stated that XP is the only supported OS, if there is any doubt in anyones mind as to weather 98/ME would work, then the individual should follow this up before making a purchase.Dan.

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Hi dan,Well, there are other options such as Sattelite which you can do to get higher speed access than dialup. You just choose to keep what you have just like those with Win98 or WinME choose to keep their setup.I see no difference in the decisions.As to your comments about being combative,"So are so combative in your replies without first getting the full facts my friend."Thanks for the personal attack. How about sticking to the topic instead, like I did.?Try Here:http://www.ispreview.co.uk/broadband/sat.shtmlYou see, there are other options available to you, just try thinking outside the box a bit.And next time, don't ask for an explanation which I thought I was giving you. Just make your comment instead. Go back and read what you asked.You Said:"Maybe someone could explain to me why people would hang on to a 7 year old OS?, I couldnt wait to drop 98/ME."Asked and Answered, IMHO.As for other reasons some won't change from ME or from Win98SE, I think program compatibility may be another reason. I still have a few programs that are 5-8 years old that I run. Maybe the adavantage is minimized if one has to go out and buy 5-10 new versions of software once they upgrade. The True cost is not only the OS, IMHO, but everything else you end up upgrading to reap those benefits. When I had a fully paid for version of MSWord 2000 on my WinME system, and I upgrade to XP, why should I have to go out and buy a new office suite or program when the differences in functionality between Word 2000 and Word XP is minimal at best IMHO, for what many people use it for.Sonar5****************Grab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

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As to your comments about being combative,"So are so combative in your replies without first getting the full facts my friend."Thanks for the personal attack. How about sticking to the topic instead, like I did.?, can't see how that is a personal attack , but hey.I infact used Silvermead sattelite "broadband" for a few months, was extremely unimpressed by it, and considering the fact it was costing me upwards of

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OK, I made the change to the page so it is without doubts..."It will not work on Windows 98/Me."

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My question is simple. Why?Why won't your plane work on my 4yr old computer that was shipped with ME? ME OS is only four years old not seven.FS9 works fine with my ME.

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Windows XP has certain features that are not on Windows 98/Me.And one thing to note is that it would maybe have considerably delayed the title because everything needs to be dual tested, dual coded in some instances, and even a simple update may need multiple tests and extra coding.In some cases, the update may work straight away!!! In other cases, it can open a can of worms... You need dual setups possibly, and special notes for each operating system.XP was released on October 25, 2001. That is a very long time ago!So we know there are a few with Windows 98/Me, but the time of having a large group of developers work to support an old operating system is better spent on new features, etc... And it also simplifies support GREATLY. You only have to deal with 1 operating system.

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>My question is simple. Why?Why not simply trying downloading gdiplus.dll from Microsoft ? Usually, it's the main reason modern airplanes wouldn't work, they all use GDI+ and Gdiplus.dll is supplied as standard on XP, but it has to be separately downloaded to be used in Windows 98/ME.regards,

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Hi Chris,Not necessarily true.I updated my Win98SE in January, and it updated through windows update. Now I'm not sure if those files were older or something, but most were security updates.I suspect, and am probably wrong, but I guess if an update applies to multiple OS, they may be allowing updates.I'll plug it in, and check again right now.Ok, I'm back, I ran it under IE, Tools, Windows Update, and it said no critical updates, nine Windows98SE Updates, and one Driver Update, all of which I didn't want installed anyway.SO, I still feel they are allowing updates, I just don't know the specific criteria they are using.I did get Critical updates the last time I ran it though.Regards,Joe****************Grab My FREEWARE Voice recognition Profiles here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=58334]Cessna 172 Voice Profile[/a][a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004misc&DLID=60740]FSD Avanti Voice Profile[/a].You will need the main FREEWARE Flight Assistant program to use it, get it here:[a href=http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=genutils&DLID=39661]Flight Assistant 2.2[/a]

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>Windows XP has certain features that are not on Windows>98/Me.>>So we know there are a few with Windows 98/Me, but the time of>having a large group of developers work to support an old>operating system is better spent on new features, etc... And>it also simplifies support GREATLY. You only have to deal with>1 operating system.>Steve,Thanks for that post. I'm running a cutting edge machine, but chose to install Win2000, as I really dislike the bloat and fisher-price sort of dumbing down with XP. PMDG works fine on the system, I have GDI+ installed.I've seen two reports that LvD works fine with Win2000, do you have any comments on this, official or otherwise?Does anyone else?I'm getting ready to buy it.* Orest-~~~~~~~~~Orest Skrypuchvirtual.united.comUAL1445 Staff ORDFO

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