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We wished for a Tristar...such a shame about the response!

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Upon seeing the news on Avsim front page...'Lockheed Tristar released'...I hoped that perhaps the 'Pilots L1011' had been released (they claimed Feb 2005, but then they have 'claimed' released dates for nearly two years!). For lack of anything else, this Tristar model looks from the screenshots to be a fairly good representation. It can be seen at www.l1011tristar.comBut, sadly, my momentary interest was deflated when I noticed who this new release was by...Perfect Flight. For lack of anything else to do, I followed the link to their website, hoping that I may gain some mild amusement from the screenshots of what is no doubt a travesty to both the legendary old lady herself, but also to flight simulation in general. Sure enough, its a joke. The visual model is laughable, the VC unmentionable...need I continue?I would never state my opinions on any freeware release, as it involves hours of hard work by like minded flight sim fans, and the end result, no matter the quality, is free. But as this (and all other Perfect Flight products too) is payware, I feel I can justifiably state that this company are a stain on the face of flight simulation.My sincere condolences if anyone is suckered into buying this product, which would struggle to better even the most basic freeware releases.I hasten to add that I don't own any Perfect Flight releases, so someone could tell me I'm wrong about these models...but I wouldn't believe them.I'll just continue to hope that someday, somewhere, I get to see either a superb freeware L1011, or an equally superb payware version.Till then, I can only dream.Al.

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Let's see, you have never actually bought any of their products and this one was just released this week, ands you are already telling everyone that it is junk and they shouldn't be suckered into buying it. Hmmm.........

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With all due respect, have you seen their other products? I've never heard a good word spoken about their 717, MD-11, or A380. I don't think you actually need to own any of their products. Apart from being common knowledge, just check the screenshots, they speak for themselves. My arguement is, that they shouldn't be able to charge for something that is well below the par of most freeware.I never said people shouldn't buy it. I wouldn't be so presumptuous as impose my own 'buying' standards onto other people, but I just hope that people aren't disappointed with it if they do, as its blatantly another of Perfect Flights sub-standard money grabbing attempts.

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I might suggest reading the page, as NO prize is being given to Perfect Flight, and no where on the page does it indicate this. This is FlightSim.com's monthly FREEWARE contest, which has been held for years. You vote on your favorite freeware download that appeared that month in their library. The developer-winner of the favourite freeware file gets a lovely award plaque (I have two of them for my freeware work). Next, among those who voted, another winner is chosen at random, and this winner gets to choose their prize from those listed on the page.As to the choice of prizes offered, these come from vendors who offer them gratis for this contest.This is all clearly explained on the page. Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

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Ah, thanks Lou, it's all a lingual misunderstanding on my part. You see, in norwegian the word "pris" means award, so I mixed up the terms "prize" and "award". Sorry Flightsim!

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You are confusing 2 companies and projects. Pilots Gmbh is not "Perfect" Flight, the two couldn't be further apart in fact.One is a good company out of Austria, the other a load of crap out of Italy.

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>You are confusing 2 companies and projects. >Pilots Gmbh is not "Perfect" Flight, the two couldn't be>further apart in fact.>>One is a good company out of Austria, the other a load of crap>out of Italy.Hi Jeroen,Coincidentally I was just searching for a good B314 Clipper and noticed that the b314clipper.com site was recommended as having an "excellent" payware B314 Clipper. It says Pilot's GesmbH on the bottom of the b314clipper.com site. Is that the same outfit that is selling the L1011 mentioned above?Eric

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>I feel I can justifiably state that this company are a stain on>the face of flight simulation .......... I hasten to add that I don't own any Perfect Flight releasesNothing like a fair, considered and balanced view!"Tried the new Tristar, Fred?""Load of junk""I thought so too""Ah, you did try it then?""Well no. Just looks like a load of junk. In my view""Yes, my view too, entirely""Did it fly straight?""Don't know actually. Haven't tried it either""Well we're agreed on that then. I must write a review for Avsim and give them the benefit of our expertise ..."Maybe this thread might eventually become useful when someone has actually tried the product!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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"You are confusing 2 companies and projects. Pilots Gmbh is not "Perfect" Flight, the two couldn't be further apart in fact.One is a good company out of Austria, the other a load of crap out of Italy."No, my initial thought on seeing the Avsim news item 'Lockheed Tristar released', made me THINK that perhaps the Pilots L1011 had been released (and indeed it does look very good). But upon further investigation, it was this Perfect Flight release. A company that I am very aware release nothing more than bottom end freeware standard models...but charge for them.On a seperate note, I've read countless testimonials on these, and other forums, from customers regretting Perfect Flight purchases. I don't recall ever seeing them being flamed for opinions such as in most of the replies to this thread. I'll know not to post my 'uneducated' opinions in future. To those who believe that the Perfect Flight L1011 will be a quality product, please, do buy it and dispell my views.

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>You are confusing 2 companies and projects. >Pilots Gmbh is not "Perfect" Flight, the two couldn't be>further apart in fact.>>One is a good company out of Austria, the other a load of crap>out of Italy.For once Jeroen, you gave me a good laugh. Can't agree more.

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>"You are confusing 2 companies and projects. >Pilots Gmbh is not "Perfect" Flight, the two couldn't be>further apart in fact.>>One is a good company out of Austria, the other a load of crap>out of Italy.">>>No, my initial thought on seeing the Avsim news item 'Lockheed>Tristar released', made me THINK that perhaps the Pilots L1011>had been released (and indeed it does look very good). But>upon further investigation, it was this Perfect Flight>release. A company that I am very aware release nothing more>than bottom end freeware standard models...but charge for>them.>>On a seperate note, I've read countless testimonials on these,>and other forums, from customers regretting Perfect Flight>purchases. I don't recall ever seeing them being flamed for>opinions such as in most of the replies to this thread. I'll>know not to post my 'uneducated' opinions in future. To those>who believe that the Perfect Flight L1011 will be a quality>product, please, do buy it and dispell my views. Sounds to me like you have some personal gripe against this company for whatever reason. To start an entire thread about something that you know zero about, and then to be surprised when people comment negatively on your rather obvious lack of credibility on the subject in question, really suprises me.

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Judging by the screenshots at Perfect Flights' website, the model doesn't appear to be any more advanced than the lovely freebie that Mike Stone released a few years ago! And the panel (2d) doesn't 'look' as nice or as well drawn as the freebie from Marco Spada.... OK, so this new one has a 3d cockpit too, but how useful is it? Is it fully clickasble? Are the gauges well focused and smooth? Does it kill frame-rates? It kind of looks OK in the screen-shots, but there does seem to be a fair amount of empty space when compared to even the murky real cockpit shot on what is presumably the products' CD package!The textures on the close-up shots of the exterior look a little woolly too in places...check-out the ATA shot; the logo looks very much as though the texture is actually too small and has lost definition in being stretched to fit!I'm not a person to normally critiscise unduly, especially when I haven't tried the item in question, but bare in mind my aformentioned observations when I say that the advertised appearance of the product doesn't make me want to go and buy it....We could all be wrong and the thing flies like a dream, just like the real thing, but untill I see confirmation of that, my debit card is staying in my pocket! It doesn't even appear to have a working FMC, yet you can clearly see two rather 'dead' looking units on the center console of the 3d virtual cockpit....in a payware model, one should now surely expect such systems, if fitted to the original to be available to the simulated version, otherwise it REALLY has no way to set itself over and above a decent freeware combination! On that note, I believe that the Marco Spada freeware panel allows for the use of the freebie CIVA navigation unit, which, correct me if I'm wrong here, is more appropriate to the L1011 anyway...OK. I've tried to be constructive and objective here in my reaction to this payware release without having yet tried it; observations made when purchasing an addon to see how it will improve over the existing and in many cases excellent, freeware alternatives available....

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"Maybe this thread might eventually become useful when someone has actually tried the product." I would hope that the first person who does lets us know as soon as possible, within 5 minutes of installing it.

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Fully agree that there's a lot of things yet to do in models, but I personally think that does not imply to bash any group regardless of its condition, either freeware or payware.We must remember that our community is enormous, thus likes and preferences of people vary a lot. Perhaps for most of us the standard are groups such as PMDG or Dreamfleet, iFDG or POSKY, whilst for others are Perfect Flight.For me the best criticism for a freeware model is the amount of downloads seen, for a payware model are the editor's reviews that I found very useful in the moment of the decision making in spending money in an add-on.My 0.02 cents,

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I doubt after installing it, anyone would be brave enough to come here and admit it :-)OK, this is bad etiquette (I can't even bloody spell it!) on my part, but seriously, I'm still laughing after looking at the screenshots!! I mean, I released a freeware DC10 panel some 6 years ago (without using default gauges)that looked more realistic than this L1011 does. OK, the model has reflections......and a number 2 engine fan, I mean you only need to have a very slight inkling about aeroplanes, or just look at one photo......####, I nearly fell off the chair again!!Sorry, I really do know better than to appear to be critical....it's very unprofessional - especially as I've not got the product - but I just had to say something.http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

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I really did try to appear unbiased with my response :-bat

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Did you actually read what he posted? He separated Pilots and Perfect Flight pretty well, he even said he thought the Pilots offering looked good in his opinion.Just as well, for anyone arguing that one who hasn't bought it has no right to comment on how it looks (which is a pretty weak argument anyway), all you really do need to see is the screenshots. The second I saw the visible fan in the #2 intake I knew precisely how much research had gone into it...Of course, having never made a TeiStar what would I know about its shape?Oh...wait...nevermind.

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>>Sounds to me like you have some personal gripe against this>company for whatever reason. To start an entire thread about>something that you know zero about, I also know nothing about it. At least I did 5 minutes. But then I did look at the screenshots and must admit they look pretty awful. Am I supposed to give them a benefit of a doubt and assume there is a 'jewel' work hiding right behind those 'lovely' panels. I don't think so.hmm... do I have a personal gripe against this company too??Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

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When I look at any payware release, I consider it's potential value.When the work on the visual model is lacklustre, and there are obvious errors, there is no justification for charging EU 24.00 on it!Standards are high for payware, and a company should be able to justify charging for a product if it falls below standard. If that company were charging EU 5.00 for it I would probably consider buying it, but it's lack of realism would probably subtract from my flightsim experience, so chances are I wouldn't.Such an effort really is treating it's customers with contempt.James

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>If that company were charging EU 5.00 for it I would probably>consider buying it,Hmmm ...even if they paid me $10 I would not install it on my PC *:-*Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2

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I won't even click on there website for fear of getting an ImPerfect Flight cookie installed on my computer.:-hah

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