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Flipping coin, 5960X or 4790K?

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Hi,

 

I'm starting to line up parts to build a new FSX/X-Plane machine. So, having read around I'm still not sure on CPU.

 

If I've gotten it right, the base specs are:

The 5960X has 8 cores, a base clock of 3GHz with 3.5GHz turbo mode, DDR4 and LGA2011-V3 socket.

The 4790K has 4 cores, base clock of 4 GHz with 4.4 turbo mode, DDR3 and LGA1150.

 

From what I read FSX doesn't really care about cores and the 4790 does better with FSX, but would the extra cores on the 5960 help when addons like PMDG are thrown into the mix? What about X-Plane? Is the difference noticible enough to sacrifice a little bit of FSX performance for longer-term better usage of the 8 core system by P3D and FSX? I'm going to throw at least one nVidia 790 or Titan into the system. That's another thread though..

 

Thoughts? In this case the $ difference between the 2 (yea, I can practically build a whole system with the difference in price between the 5960 and the 4790) isn't going to be the tiebreaker..

 

Thanks all!

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Hi,

 

I'm starting to line up parts to build a new FSX/X-Plane machine. So, having read around I'm still not sure on CPU.

 

If I've gotten it right, the base specs are:

The 5960X has 8 cores, a base clock of 3GHz with 3.5GHz turbo mode, DDR4 and LGA2011-V3 socket.

The 4790K has 4 cores, base clock of 4 GHz with 4.4 turbo mode, DDR3 and LGA1150.

 

From what I read FSX doesn't really care about cores and the 4790 does better with FSX, but would the extra cores on the 5960 help when addons like PMDG are thrown into the mix? What about X-Plane? Is the difference noticible enough to sacrifice a little bit of FSX performance for longer-term better usage of the 8 core system by P3D and FSX? I'm going to throw at least one nVidia 790 or Titan into the system. That's another thread though..

 

Thoughts? In this case the $ difference between the 2 (yea, I can practically build a whole system with the difference in price between the 5960 and the 4790) isn't going to be the tiebreaker..

 

Thanks all!

The 4790K is a better for FSX and P3D. In the PMDG 777's VC at Flight Beam's KIAD, In the middle of a major thunderstorm, using Rex clouds, and almost every slider full I get around 35-38 FPS the whole time. Even during takeoff and the climb through the clouds once I get to cruise they were through the roof like as in over 60FPS. The problem with the 5960X is that its clock speed is low and FSX doesn't fully use 4 cores let alone 8. In order to run FSX at high FPS you need a cpu that is very fast per core not more cores so you actually get less FPS with the 5960X then you would with the 4790k. I had an AMD 8 core and when I moved to my 4 core Intel I gained about 20 FPS so that proves that more cores don't help in FSX.

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The 5960x @ 4.5 Ghz is faster than a 4790k @ 4,7 Ghz.

It's not only about the clockspeed of your core 0.

 

The extra cores will be used for faster terrain loading...

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Gerard, ar you sure?

agree if you compare to a SandyBridge (2600K)

4690k IPC 2% faster than 5960X and close to 3% to 5930 5820.

and 4.5-4.7 is 4%, ok textureload with Photoscenery is faster but not the framerate.

Have only 3 days testing the Haswell-E no tests of fsx, invited to a major vendor testing new mobos ,mems, cpu and gpu:s

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I thought the 5960X was only 3.5GHz turbo mode?

The thing is that even if the 5960x could load scenery faster it wouldn't be much faster and it would certainly give you fewer FPS as it has a lower clock speed. Is the possibility of slightly faster scenery load worth $700 extra?? To me its not if I had $700 to spend I'd get a huge SSD or a better GPU since the GTX990 is just around the corner and will list for $1000

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The 5960x can be run at 4.5/4.6 GHz vs the 4790 at 4.7/4.8 Ghz,

 

At those clockspeeds the 5960x is faster.

Also has extra cores for faster terrain loading ( read: less blurries, faster autogen/object loading )

 

 

And you can't compare an AMD to an Intel processor regarding Multi core. 

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Reading some reviews on the 5960X to get up to 4.5GHz I'd be looking at say an Asus X99 Deluxe with water cooling?

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The 5960x can be run at 4.5/4.6 GHz vs the 4790 at 4.7/4.8 Ghz,

 

At those clockspeeds the 5960x is faster.

Also has extra cores for faster terrain loading ( read: less blurries, faster autogen/object loading )

 

 

And you can't compare an AMD to an Intel processor regarding Multi core.

 

If you see the link above, the 4970 is about a percent better than 5960 even when over-clocked in CineBench single threaded. It is no competition at stock speeds.

 

Also see this link for over-clocked single thread comparison, Dolphin benchmark, and 4960 is ten percent better - http://www.anandtech.com/show/8426/the-intel-haswell-e-cpu-review-core-i7-5960x-i7-5930k-i7-5820k-tested/3

 

And I was not comparing AMD vs Intel for single core performance, only that too many core, Intel or not, do not have much impact on terrain loading.

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FS is not only about single core speed.

A high clockspeed is indeed very important, but also is cache.

 

Regarding the terrain loading you are not correct. The more cores you have the faster the terrain loading.

If you have a 4 core processor , just disable 2 of them and see what it does to your FS, especially terrain loading.

 

Both 4790k , 5820k, 5930kk and 5960x can be OC and are able to handle FS.

It is the terrainloading ( blurries ) that makes the difference.

 

If you have a Multi monitor setup terrain loading is very important.

That is why I upgraded from 4 to 6 cores

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The 5960x can be run at 4.5/4.6 GHz vs the 4790 at 4.7/4.8 Ghz,

 

At those clockspeeds the 5960x is faster.

Also has extra cores for faster terrain loading ( read: less blurries, faster autogen/object loading )

 

 

And you can't compare an AMD to an Intel processor regarding Multi core.

Your right you can't compare AMD and Intel in multi core as AMD is better at it. I lost performance in BF4 when I went Intel as BF4 will use all 8 cores. When I switched to Intel I gained about 20 fps in p3d and FSX as they need single core performance. Also scenery loading is faster on my 4 core then I was on my 8 as Intel's per core performance is better. FSX can use 8 cores but not effectively. For the price point I think the 4790k is the winner as even if you could load scenery twice as fast it wouldn't be worth the extra $700 since my 4790k does a great job of loading everything already and I've never had a blurry with it even running a .1 fiber time fraction. I don't use photo scenery as I don't like but maybe the 5960x would be better if you used a lot of it.

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@GS, Single core performance is what drives FPS in FSX/P3D. Here 4790 has the 5960 beat fair and square.

 

Second, I have experimented plenty with AMD FX8350 and i4700mq regarding using multiple core for terrain loading. Net is that I use a mask 84. I did not see any difference in using more. These results may vary for person to person based upon the overall system, so it's a subjective argument.

 

So OP can choose higher FPS with 4970, which is an objective argument, vs better terrain loading on 5960, which is a subjective argument.

 

Even without considering the price difference, I would not be buying the 5960. It has more cores and lesser performance.

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Honestly I think that the decision should be made based on what you use the machine for. For example, if I were in your place (price not being an issue...that's an amazing place indeed) I would probably choose the 5960, but that's because I use my PC for other tasks like music production, occasional video transcoding, and other things in which the cores/cache make a MUCH bigger difference than the clock (though I'd probably get a water cooler and overclock it to death). In this case, from my limited knowledge the bulk of FSX performance is based on clock speed and single-core performance, so if all you use the machine for is FS than by all means, get the 4790.

 

Getting a high-end graphics card with an ample amount of VRAM I think will help texture/add-on performance more than additional CPU cores/bigger cache.

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I7 4790K is the best i Built it in my new system with a GTX 780 3 gig and also used a Z97 Gaming 5 motherboard MSI, I love the new RIG and getting awesome performance like the other guys with FTX Global and Vector and FTX Australia Regions and airports i dont see below 26FPS flying into add on airports, FSX standard airports i see about 35-40fps and this is with sliders to the right and flying the PMDG 737-800

 

I water cooled and overclocked the I7 4790K to 4.5ghz and was steady at didn't go over 60 degrees i could of went more but was happy with the results with FSX 

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I just wanted to thank everyone for their input. I ended up going with the 4790K and 16G of RAM and a GTX 980 video card. I haven't assembled the system yet but it's definitely going to be better than my old 2009 system no matter which way I went :)

 

Thanks again

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