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I have to ask what is Microsoft idea behind not allowing users to control updates in Windows 10?

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 Why disallow turning off updates? Some updates are important - particularly security updates.

 

The flight tracking software I work on for FSX doesn't allow the user to skip updates, as we used to have way too many tickets regarding issues that were resolved MONTHS ago. While not as applicable to something like Windows, it could be another reason that they don't want you to turn them off.

 

As far as I can tell this is Windows 8.2 ... 10 would indicate some significant change, so where is it?

 

Have you used it?

 

New start menu, Cortana integration, same OS on desktop/phone/tablet/etc, compatibility of desktop/Universal Apps on all of those devices, notifications center, completely new settings menu, virtual/multiple desktops. Not HUGE changes, but fairly notable changes. It's about the separation from the past and showing that it's its intended lifespan/update style is to be much different.

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 Why disallow turning off updates? Some updates are important - particularly security updates.

Nobody is talking about how security updates are installed. For all I care, those can be installed automatically.

 

I'm just frustrated at the fact that what used to be "Optional updates" are now considered "security updates", and will be installed automatically. 

 

Windows Updates... It's in the name! Updates for Windows. That's it. Windows Updates doesn't need to manage my Saitek drivers, or my laptop's trackpad, or my Nvidia drivers!

 

I did read it.

 

1. Don't get home edition. 2. The computer WILL NOT reboot itself after installing updates on it's own. 

 

Please look at my signature.  That's only a small fraction. 

1. Pro edition will only DEFER updates, and for a limited time. After a while, they'll install automatically also.

 

2. I know it won't. That's what I said.

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I am not sure what you are talking about, but I feel that I could confidently say the OS won't install updates without first notifying you and asking you to reboot. Not arbitrarily doing it on its own and rebooting in the middle of whatever you were doing. 

I know that. I'm expecting something similar to 8, where you get a dialogue 15 minutes prior to the automatic restart/update. Imagine that you're nearing TOD after a long 15 hour flight from Chicago to New Delhi, when all of a sudden you're told you have 15 minutes to save your work before an update installs. Even though you have plenty of time to save your flight, many people would prefer to finish up what they're doing and restart in their own time. Again, it's not the end of the world, and I along with all future Windows 10 users will learn to adapt, but IMO one shouldn't have to plan what they're doing based on their computers schedule. 

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Please look at my signature.  That's only a small fraction. 

 

Ah a fellow Cisco person. I'm going for my CCNP. I tell you, it's effin easy compared to Juniper. But, when it comes to firewalls, as I'm more a security geezer, Palo Alto is my main choice.

 

However, back on topic, are people around here really suggesting Windows just reboots when it's done installing updates? As in, just  "Hey rebooting bye bye" no sorry don't believe that, is there evidence to support this. Installing is one thing, rebotting your computer in the middle of what you're doing is another

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I'm glad no one here has had windows blue screen after an update.

 

I never install any updates security or otherwise until they have been vetted by the community.  Too many buggy updates have been released, and then you have push advertising which seems possibly the real reason for forced updates.  Meanwhile, Cortana, etc, all just ways to leak your personal usage data back to MS.

 

As far as hacking updates, does the phrase "this windows is not genuine" strike a chord?

 

You can buy a blu-ray reader, but to actually play blu-ray protected content you either need to buy player software or ripping software (and the piracy hawks here will tell you you are stealing if you rip BDs).

 

I'm still waiting for the fine print on the  upgrade.  Can you get an iso? I bought a 3-pack win 7 HP upgrade sku when 7 first came out, one of those licenses is uninstalled.  Can the 10 upgrade be applied to it in the future?  Does the 7 upgrade have to be installed first and activated (I assume to make it "genuine")?  Same thing if you want to reinstall in the future.  Have to install 7 first?

 

scott s.

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I'm still waiting for the fine print on the  upgrade.  Can you get an iso? I bought a 3-pack win 7 HP upgrade sku when 7 first came out, one of those licenses is uninstalled.  Can the 10 upgrade be applied to it in the future?  Does the 7 upgrade have to be installed first and activated (I assume to make it "genuine")?  Same thing if you want to reinstall in the future.  Have to install 7 first?

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2931492/windows-10-upgrade-will-allow-clean-installs-on-the-same-device-for-free.html#tk.fb_pc

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Meanwhile, Cortana, etc, all just ways to leak your personal usage data back to MS.

 

Windows: the NSA edition.  :lol:

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If you want different, install OpenBSD. And even then there are rumours if you watch full disclosure lists

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Ah a fellow Cisco person. I'm going for my CCNP. I tell you, it's effin easy compared to Juniper. But, when it comes to firewalls, as I'm more a security geezer, Palo Alto is my main choice.

 

However, back on topic, are people around here really suggesting Windows just reboots when it's done installing updates? As in, just  "Hey rebooting bye bye" no sorry don't believe that, is there evidence to support this. Installing is one thing, rebotting your computer in the middle of what you're doing is another

Who uses Juniper? CCNP in which track?

 

 

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Windows 10 Pro will only be able to DEFER updates, but not stop them completely. Eventually, they will install automatically.

 

Keep in mind that W10 will FORCE everything that used to be "Optional Updates" in W7/8.1/Vista. That means that your drivers for your graphics card, laptop touchpad, and even MOUSE are going to be updated automatically, with NO option to choose otherwise.

 

That's the problem, though. W10's updates will also include what used to be "Optional Updates" in previous Windows. That means your drivers will be updated automatically.

  

(...)

 

 

Thank you for making us aware of this.

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I will probably stick to Win 7 as long as I possibly can. At least MS is thankfully out of FS business now, one less thing for them to ruin. Generally it's definitely good idea to stay out of anything that reads "Microsoft", apart from XP, Win 7 and FSX.

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I will probably stick to Win 7 as long as I possibly can. At least MS is thankfully out of FS business now, one less thing for them to ruin. Generally it's definitely good idea to stay out of anything that reads "Microsoft", apart from XP, Win 7 and FSX.

Interesting comments. It is really fashionable to keep on bashing Microsoft. You just have to accept the whole pie, not just the pieces you like. What about the Office packages, Server packages etc?

It is also forgotten that MS gave us & the developers the sim 'engines' that Dovetail & LM are developing.

MS has obviously got to be responsible to their shareholders, as seen when they dumped/stopped & closed their Gaming Studio.

 

So, by going the 'downloadable upgrade route, as Steam does with their games, they are obviously saving a huge amount on world-wide shipping & inventory. Thus, no doubt, pleasing their shareholders, as reflected in their share price.

 

So, are updates important? of course they are! Why would we not want our software updated? We are going to allow it anyway, maybe with a bit of PC slowdown when it actually takes place. But, until it happens after the 29th July, we actually do not know how/if we will be inconvenienced. Remember, Windows 10 will be the last OS (so they say), constantly being updated, so we will always have the latest.  -- I'm very OK with that! :hi:

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Interesting comments. It is really fashionable to keep on bashing Microsoft.

 

If they tried to automatically install the latest drivers for my graphics card without my permission, then they should expect to be bashed. Windows updates are one thing. Graphics card/sound card/any other card updates are quite another.

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Do we really know that Microsoft will update any & all graphics cards etc that are not their products? 

 

You are correct in saying that if they update all hardware stuff we have, without any permission from us, will be worth the bash. I wonder what the EULA says about random updates like that? Surley they are not responsible for updateing other manufacturers?

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I guess we shall see when it's released. Trouble with the preview builds is they are not final, so we can't say 100% that the consumer release will be exactly the same. For example the preview builds send data back to MS for analysis, the final version won't. So in terms of how the updates will work exactly, we'll need to wait for reports from users who have used the release version

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Fun thread to read but, it seems as though most of the worry is really getting down to Vid Drivers. I really don't think that a company like Nvidia is going to just say to MS..."Hey we will make our drivers and software and we will let your company decide how and when they will be loaded onto computers" . That just does not make sense. It is easy to get worked up over security and protecting our interest on line. It is has a lot to do with all the news on NSA and the Obomarama Circus going on here in the US. Like all things this too shall pass. The truth is that so long as our computers are running windows and connected to the Net then MS has always been able to load pretty much anything they want to our machines. They only let you and I think that we are in control. LOL!!

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If they tried to automatically install the latest drivers for my graphics card without my permission, then they should expect to be bashed. Windows updates are one thing. Graphics card/sound card/any other card updates are quite another.

 

 

Do we really know that Microsoft will update any & all graphics cards etc that are not their products? 

Like I mentioned before, this happened to me on both my laptop and my desktop. On both I have a partition with W10 Pro Technical Preview.

 

On my laptop, WU installed trackpad drivers as I was using the trackpad, which caused it to stop functioning while it was updating.

 

On my desktop, WU installed my yoke's drivers and graphic card's drivers right after I installed the OS.

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Can you imagine what will happen when Windows Updates decides to install a graphics card update while you're about to land??? :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

Which is why I'll stick with Win 7 B)

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Like I mentioned before, this happened to me on both my laptop and my desktop. On both I have a partition with W10 Pro Technical Preview.

 

On my laptop, WU installed trackpad drivers as I was using the trackpad, which caused it to stop functioning while it was updating.

 

On my desktop, WU installed my yoke's drivers and graphic card's drivers right after I installed the OS.

Any thoughts that they needed to be updated because Windows updated and  that would have prevented these things from working?

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Any thoughts that they needed to be updated because Windows updated and  that would have prevented these things from working?

They are independent of each other.

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Microsoft are moving to the subscription process for the OS.  I personally don't really care one way or the other, my out of pocket is usually less for subscription based.  No doubt this will lose some customers and it'll certain not be the OS choice for those that steal software but I doubt Microsoft are too concerned about that.

 

For me Windows 10 is DX12, slightly more efficient threading, additional native support for more recent processors/chipsets.  The UI I can deal with, don't like it but I work around it.  As hardware manufacturer drivers mature for Win10 it will improve in stability.

 

As far as security concerns, yes Windows is more secure than OSX ... but I have both OSX systems and Windows system and have never experienced a virus/malware in either for decades.  But I don't visit dubious sights and I don't install dubious software and pirated software.  Most security issues are end user self inflicted.

 

July 29th is public release, but end of June is RTM as I understand it ... my job requires that I install and test on it.  So far the apps I produce seem to be working which is good news.  I'll install Win10 RTM on one of my aux flight sim PC's to see how it fairs with ASN, FS Commander, but not on my main flight sim PC.

 

Is Windows 10 the OS I want, NO!  Is Windows 10 better than Windows 7 ... yes on the performance front, no on the UI/functionality front.

 

I will eventually upgrade all my main Flight Sim PCs to Windows 10, but I'll probably wait a few months before I do so to ensure GoFlight work and more.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Moving to; W10 will be the last OS which is a big bang, as have the others been

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No, they're not.

 

I didn't actually say for Windows 10 but I can see how you might have interpreted it as that ... Windows 10 will be the last non-subscription OS from Microsoft, Windows 11 (or whatever Microsoft decide to call it) will be subscription based.  Just have to wait and see if they do.

 

Windows 10 Pro is $199 or if you get Windows 10 home (for free 1st year, $119 after that) the upgrade is $99.

 

What I think folks NEED to understand for the Windows 10 Home "free upgrade" is that it's an upgrade, it's NOT a full install on a new PC.  If you're planning to build a new PC and want to install Windows 10 (any version) then that is going to cost you either $119 or $199.  Your free Win10 upgrade isn't going to work unless it finds a Win7 or Win8 already installed.

 

Personally I'd never run an OS "upgrade" on any of my PCs because of legacy issues, driver issues, etc. etc. -- I would always go the "new install" route. 

 

Cheers, Rob.

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What I think folks NEED to understand for the Windows 10 Home "free upgrade" is that it's an upgrade, it's NOT a full install on a new PC.  If you're planning to build a new PC and want to install Windows 10 (any version) then that is going to cost you either $119 or $199.  Your free Win10 upgrade isn't going to work unless it finds a Win7 or Win8 already installed.

 

Personally I'd never run an OS "upgrade" on any of my PCs because of legacy issues, driver issues, etc. etc. -- I would always go the "new install" route. 

 

This is not true. Please make a little bit of research before making these claims.

 

Check this out: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2931492/windows-10-upgrade-will-allow-clean-installs-on-the-same-device-for-free.html#tk.fb_pc

 

Of course, they haven't clarified yet if there will be an ISO available somewhere or how exactly the clean installations will work.

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