June 27, 201510 yr Real Engine 1.4 (Goggle, dload at Sim Outhouse) is sweet mod that will make you a better manager of your engines. I'm late to the party on RE, but thought I'd post info I found on the C404. This is the table from Teledyne: I'm working on the entries for the C404 for RE, but there are a few I have no clue what they should be, Like Maximum Continuous MP lean, or rich. Max Cont RPM lean, or rich. And all the METO settings. Anyone familiar with typical operating temp, and or behaviors for this ac?? The parameters set by Alebeo are a little off.. max RPM is 2700 for example, and MP is 36,5, not 40. My RE Par File: [Config]MaxValues=57[Floats]// *** MP RPM Limitations ***// Engine MP/RPM Limitations ON by defaultValue_00=1.// Engine Roughness before Failure ON. Values: between 0=OFF and 1=always rough. Intermediate values are the probality the// enngine will run rough before failure. The engine may also fail directly.Value_01=0.8// Maximum Continuous MP with Lean Mixture (in Hg)Value_02=35.0// Maximum Continuous RPM with Lean Mixture (rpm)Value_03=2700.// Maximum Continuous MP with Rich Mixture (in Hg)Value_04=35.0// Maximum Continuous RPM with Rich Mixture (rpm)Value_05=2700.// METO MP (in Hg)Value_06=35.// METO RPM (rpm)Value_07=2500.// METO Time-to-fail (min)Value_08=15.// Take-Off MP (in Hg)Value_09=36.5// Take-Off RPM (rpm)Value_10=2700.// Take-Off Time-to-fail (min)Value_11=5.// *** Engine Power Limitations ***// Engine Power Limitations ON by default ?Value_12=1.// Engine Roughness before Failure ON. Values: between 0=OFF and 1=always rough. Intermediate values are the probality the// enngine will run rough before failure. The engine may also fail directly.Value_13=0.8// Rated Engine Power (HP)Value_14=375.// Maximum Continuous Power with Lean Mixture (%)Value_15=75.// Maximum Continuous Power with Rich Mixture (%)Value_16=75.// METO Power (%)Value_17=85.// METO Time-to-fail (min)Value_18=30.// Take-Off Power (%)Value_19=83.// Take-Off Time-to-fail (min)Value_20=5.// *** Mixture State ***// Engine Failure by Mixture ON by default ?Value_21=1.// *** Mixture Lean/Rich Limit// Mixture Lean Limit ON by default ?Value_22=1.// Mixture Rich Limit ON by default ?Value_23=1.// *** Spark Plug Fouling ***// Spark Plug Fouling ON by default ?Value_24=1.// Idle RPM: Below this RPM spark plugs foul. Plugs cleared at >=300 rpm higher.Value_25=600.// *** Gear Overspeed ***// Gear Overspeed ON by default ?Value_26=1.// Maximum Gear Speed Vl (KIAS)Value_27=153.// *** Flaps Overspeed ***// Flaps Overspeed ON by default ?Value_28=1.// Flaps Asymmetric Failure ON ?Value_29=1.// Maximum Flap Speed: Stage 1 Vfe1 (KIAS)Value_30=190.// Maximum Flap Speed: Full flaps Vfe2 (KIAS)Value_31=190.// Not usedValue_32=0.// Not usedValue_33=0.// *** CHT Limitation ***// CHT Limitations ON by default ?Value_34=1.// Max Allowed Cylinder Head Temperature FValue_35=460.// Time-to-fail (min)Value_36=5.// *** Oil Temperature Limitation ***// Oil Temperature Limitations ON by default ?Value_37=1.// Max Allowed Oil Temperature deg FValue_38=240.// Time-to-fail if Oil Temp is exceeded (min)Value_39=5.// *** Oil Pressure Limitation ***// Oil Pressure Limitations ON by default ?Value_40=1.// Max Allowed Oil Pressure psiValue_41=100.// Time-to-fail if Oil Pressure is exceeded (min)Value_42=5.// *** CHT Model ***// Aircraft-specific parameters// Cruise speed KTAS of aircraft at 75% pwr, 0.083 F/A at cruise altitude - to scale results to NACA 1092Value_43=175.// Rated Take-off engine HP of aircraft (HP)Value_44=310.// Supercharger type. 0=none, 0.65=low blower, 1=high blower (may be tweaked)Value_45=0.// Tweaks// Cooling pressure (inH2O) generated due to slipstream of propeller at idle (reference plane) - tweaking parameter to avoid// overheat at idle)Value_46=2.// Cowling efficiency: Kcowl (default: 1)Value_47=0.9// Cowl flaps efficiency: Kcf (default: 1)Value_48=1.// Minimum F/A mixture ratio with full rich mixture - mixture lever at 100% ( default: 9.5)Value_49=9.5// ObsoleteValue_50=0.// ObsoleteValue_51=0.// ObsoleteValue_52=0.// Calculate Oil Temp variable based on CHT ?Value_53=1.// Max Allowed CHT deg F - for scaling of Oil tempValue_54=460.// Max Allowed Oil Temperature deg F - for scaling of Oil tempValue_55=240.// CHT Model Calculations ON by default ?Value_56=1.[LVars]// MP RPM LimitationsLvar_00=RE1_MPRPM_ONLvar_01=RE1_MPRPM_RoughnessONLvar_02=RE1_MPRPM_MaxContinuousMPLeanLvar_03=RE1_MPRPM_MaxContinuousRPMLeanLvar_04=RE1_MPRPM_MaxContinuousMPRichLvar_05=RE1_MPRPM_MaxContinuousRPMRichLvar_06=RE1_MPRPM_MetoMPLvar_07=RE1_MPRPM_MetoRPMLvar_08=RE1_MPRPM_MetoTTFLvar_09=RE1_MPRPM_TakeOffMPLvar_10=RE1_MPRPM_TakeOffRPMLvar_11=RE1_MPRPM_TakeOffTTF// Engine Power LimitationsLvar_12=RE1_Pwr_ONLvar_13=RE1_Pwr_RoughnessONLvar_14=RE1_Pwr_EngineHPLvar_15=RE1_Pwr_MaxContinuousPwrLeanLvar_16=RE1_Pwr_MaxContinuousPwrRichLvar_17=RE1_Pwr_MetoPwrLvar_18=RE1_Pwr_MetoTTFLvar_19=RE1_Pwr_TakeOffPwrLvar_20=RE1_Pwr_TakeOffTTF// Mixture StateLvar_21=RE1_MixtureState_ON// Mixture Lean/Rich LimitLvar_22=RE1_MixLeanLimit_ONLvar_23=RE1_MixRichLimit_ON// Spark Plug FoulingLvar_24=RE1_PlugFoul_ONLvar_25=RE1_PlugFoul_RPM// Gear OverspeedLvar_26=RE1_GearOverspeed_ONLvar_27=RE1_GearOverspeed_Vle// Flaps OverspeedLvar_28=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_ONLvar_29=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_AsymmetricFlapsFailureONLvar_30=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_Vfe1Lvar_31=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_VfeFullLvar_32=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_Vfo1Lvar_33=RE1_FlapsOverspeed_VfoFull// CHT LimitationLvar_34=RE1_CHT_ONLvar_35=RE1_CHT_MaxCHTLvar_36=RE1_CHT_TTF// Oil Temperature LimitationLvar_37=RE1_OilTemp_ONLvar_38=RE1_OilTemp_MaxOilTempLvar_39=RE1_OilTemp_TTF// Oil Pressure LimitationLvar_40=RE1_OilPress_ONLvar_41=RE1_OilPress_MaxOilPressLvar_42=RE1_OilPress_TTF// CHT ModelLvar_43=RE_CHTmodel_VcLvar_44=RE_CHTmodel_HPLvar_45=RE_CHTmodel_KsuperchLvar_46=RE_CHTmodel_qcidleRLvar_47=RE_CHTmodel_KcowlLvar_48=RE_CHTmodel_KcfLvar_49=RE_CHTmodel_FullRichMRLvar_50=RE_CHTmodel_KtLvar_51=RE_CHTmodel_MinCHTChangeRateLvar_52=RE_CHTmodel_MaxCHTChangeRateLvar_53=RE_CHTmodel_SetOilTempLvar_54=RE_CHTmodel_MaxCHTLvar_55=RE_CHTmodel_MaxOilTempLvar_56=RE_CHTModel_ON
June 27, 201510 yr Author Disregard, more research needed. Using the teledyne chart (official), the plane is not flyable with provided cfg. CHT air file edit: change the .air file entry for CHT Rate of Change to: 0.120000
July 20, 201510 yr never heard of real engine 1.4. until now. awseome program once configured correctly. thanks for sharing!
January 8, 20179 yr Hello HawkDsl, Considering this post is about 1.5 years old, I'm curious if you were able to make any progress with the Alabeo C404 Titan and Real Engine v1.4. As of late, I've really taken a liking to the aircraft in spite of the standard Alabeo/Carenado negatives. I have the Cessna C404 POH w/ limitations and performance data and I thought I could possibly help out if you still have the interest. The RE v1.4 program looks like a natural for this machine and I thought I would give it a go although the instructions appear a bit daunting. I any case, I thought I would inquire to see if you or anyone else have any updates relative to the RE 1.4 program. Many thanks / Les Parson
February 1, 20179 yr Author Hi Les. Sorry, but I gave up on the C404, and it's parked in my collection of "looked good at the time" hanger. Hope you figured out RE1.4 - It's a great add on for pistons.
February 1, 20179 yr For those interested: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links_search.php?action=show&keys=1&keyword=realengine_v14.zip NB: You must be a registered SOH member to download files. Thanks! Regards,Victor Quebec
February 8, 20179 yr @Hawk I don't know why your engine data differ from the official Cessna POH but e.g. RPM/MP of the Alabeo 404 exactly match the RW POH which is IMO the valid source.
February 9, 20179 yr I have the RW POH also and made the necessary changes without issue. There have been reports of power loss in the cruise environment with the Alabeo C404. At first, I thought it was the carb heat issue w/ FSX, so i tried the "H" key. That didn't seem to work. After a few minutes, power returns to nomral. I don't thnk this has anything to with the RE 1.4 program, but would sure like to hear comments from others.
February 9, 20179 yr Don't mix up carb ice and prop ice. FSX simulates prop icing as well and if you turn on prop de-ice (also H key in most cases) it takes a few minutes as IRL to remove the ice from the prop.
February 9, 20179 yr So, the H key applies to both carb ice and prop ice? I thought it was only the former. In any case, I don't know if this the cause of the power loss, specific to the C404.
April 12, 20179 yr Hi, I have it working but the CTC gauge does not show up (FSX Baron 58) and only 1 engine appears to be noticed by the programme? I tried to set it up on the Default Cessna C172 but the Gauges on the VC and 2D panels disappeared. Can someone point me in the right direction please, I baffled.... again hehe.. Many Thanks Ro9 All The Best Roger
May 21, 20179 yr Author On 2/8/2017 at 1:36 AM, J35OE said: @Hawk I don't know why your engine data differ from the official Cessna POH but e.g. RPM/MP of the Alabeo 404 exactly match the RW POH which is IMO the valid source. The numbers I got were from the engine manufacture. I've been outa the loop for bit, and now I'm trying the B58.
May 21, 20179 yr The data the engine manufacturer provides and the data from the POH don't necessarily need to be identical. As a pilot (or technician) flying/working on this specific aircraft you should use the data provided by the aircraft manufacturer. Btw, are you sure that you are looking at the info for the correct engine? The GTSIO-520-M is rated at 375hp and the engine you quoted at 310hp.... Edited May 21, 20179 yr by J35OE
October 3, 20178 yr The C404 Tittan has Continental GTSIO-520M engines. The G is for geared (ratio between Prop and Engine RPM: 1:1.5. 375 hp at 2235 Prop RPM = 3350 engine RPM. Unfortunately, the RPM gauge in the plane shows engine RPM and the engine data is wrong. Max speed 3350/min, Gear Ratio 1.5. Prepar3d V4 does not use the hp value at all, but calculates engine power using displacement, MP, RPM and compression ratio (which is 7.5, not 7.3). In order to get realistic performance data despite of the wrong engine speed, the displacement per cylinder has to be higher. It is 90 cu-in, another mistake since 520/6 = 86.7. Gear ratio would bring that to a workaround value of 1.5 * 86.7 = 130 cu-in. However, the rest of the aircraft suits best at about 105 cu-in. Realistic fuel flows and cruise performance. Beta max of prop has to be increased. Pilot licenses: CPL, IRI, C510, MEP, CRI SEP P3D V5 professional CPU: i9-10900K, GPU: RTX 3090, MB: MSI Z490A PRO, SSD: M.2 Samsung 970 EVO Plus (2 TB) + M.2 (1 TB) , RAM: 32 GB (3600 MHz, CL_16-16-16-36), water cooling: Heatkiller IV Pro + MO-RA3 420 LT, Display: Panasonic 58“ 4K
October 4, 20178 yr 2 hours ago, AndiKunzi said: 1.Unfortunately, the RPM gauge in the plane shows engine RPM and the engine data is wrong. Max speed 3350/min, Gear Ratio 1.5. 2.Prepar3d V4 does not use the hp value at all, but calculates engine power using displacement, MP, RPM and compression ratio (which is 7.5, not 7.3). 3.In order to get realistic performance data despite of the wrong engine speed, the displacement per cylinder has to be higher. 4.Beta max of prop has to be increased. 1. Just checked and the RPM gauge in the Alabeo 404 shows prop RPM. 2. Same goes for FSX, P3Dv1 and higher. 3. Didn't notice any noticable differences in performance compared to the POH despite the wrong values. 4. Please note that the blade angle values in the cfg file are meaningless as the prop performance is defined in the air file. It's a bit similar concerning the engine performance.
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