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Hi guys looking to get back into fsx after a few years away. I have read through some posts and know I can build a better system myself. But.......... Would rather just buy somthing already made. I am looking at the x51 Alienware. Would this run smooth with a few addons

 

Intel® Core™ i3-6100 (3M Cache, 3.70 GHz) Processor

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NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 745 with 4GB DDR3

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Look online for a Dell XPX730x tower system...see if you can get one with the i7-975/980 Extreme CPU...and then, just shop for the latest GPU that you can afford.

 

Trust me...if you can even get one of these beasts....it will be the last tower you will ever buy.  It is ATX-Motherboard-extended capable...and right from the last day of production, had killer specs that will garner you easily, 30-50 FPS in any M.S. based flight sim, with anything at or above the class of a GTX680 graphic card.

 

You can easily overclock on air...4.1 Ghz.  You should also update the BIOS from the Dell version as shipped (Dell BIOS v1.05 or 1.06), to the Alienware A10 that has been created for it.  If you get one of these...PM me...and I will show you how it is done. If you upgrade to the Alienware BIOS...you will be able to have 12 GB's of system RAM, at all the hottest timing settings! 

 

I have one...with the Intel Extreme i7-975 (that's the one you want!!!) CPU, an nVidia GTX680 2GB graphics card, and all my three hard drives, are W.D. Velocirator 1TB 10,000 RPM units.  If you get the above decked out....you will have a killer flight simulation platform.  For USB 3.x...just add a card for that...and then you will have the latest and greatest USB speeds.  Did that as well.

 

The Dell XPS730x, is a total server-grade build, including all server-grade fan cages, with multi-level insertion, that covers each cage element.

 

Being on the ATX-extended size standard, and not Dell propriety, you will be able to upgrade anything within this monster tower, including the PSU, if needed at any future time. They do NOT build tower cases like this anymore. This tower was Dell's last masterpiece of quality and engineering, before they sold themselves out by dropping their own (X)tra (P)erformace (X)treme line-up, for Alienware.  The Dell XPX730x....well...It is the Man of Steel...of towers....and I kid you not.....

 

Check 'em out...and then make your best deal.

 

Google The Dell XPS730x and read up (and view pics), all you need to. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_XPS_730x

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=The+Dell+XPS730x&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source?%7D&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2-J_YyY_KAhWJ2T4KHb_lBJYQsAQIRw&biw=1536&bih=860

 

 

 

Important note: ...you must get the 730X model...not one only monikered as 730.

 

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Thanks guys for spending time helping. I can't find the xps on the uk fell site ses. Charlatan I didn't even notice it was discontinued http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Next+Day+Gaming+PCs/GLADIATOR+AMD+FX-8350+%2F+GTX960+Next+Day+Gaming+PC+?operation=shoppingBasketAdd&productId=63434&context=systems but noticed this is amd rather than Intel does this make a difference? Clocked to 4.2ghz

 

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Second one would be ideal but is discontinued

Best I can find, pre-overclocked to 4.4ghz

 

http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/warbird-h230-quad-core-i5-6600k-gaming-desktop

I've been to their Store off Tottenham Court Rd, Central London, and will vouch that they do make quality hardware. But maybe it'd be worthwhile looking elsewhere for a better graphics card that will take you a long way ahead.

 

Also go check out Scan if you live nearby as they also make quality customised set-ups. When I was in there a few days ago buying a GTX970 GPU, I noticed some fab-looking beasts they have pre-built. And they win loads of Awards too.

And as has been suggested, elsewhere, if your budget can stretch to it, opt for an Intel CPU.

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Trust me...if you can even get one of these beasts....it will be the last tower you will ever buy.  It is ATX-Motherboard-extended capable...and right from the last day of production, had killer specs that will garner you easily, 30-50 FPS in any M.S. based flight sim, with anything at or above the class of a GTX680 graphic card.

I think the above is what we refer to as "hyperbole"!

 

Of course it wont be the last tower he ever buys. The latest and greatest is greater than your definition of greatest, in terms of both power and features.

 

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Look online for a Dell XPX730x tower system...see if you can get one with the i7-975/980 Extreme CPU...and then, just shop for the latest GPU that you can afford.

 

Trust me...if you can even get one of these beasts....it will be the last tower you will ever buy.  It is ATX-Motherboard-extended capable...and right from the last day of production, had killer specs that will garner you easily, 30-50 FPS in any M.S. based flight sim, with anything at or above the class of a GTX680 graphic card.

 

You can easily overclock on air...4.1 Ghz.  You should also update the BIOS from the Dell version as shipped (Dell BIOS v1.05 or 1.06), to the Alienware A10 that has been created for it.  If you get one of these...PM me...and I will show you how it is done. If you upgrade to the Alienware BIOS...you will be able to have 12 GB's of system RAM, at all the hottest timing settings! 

 

I have one...with the Intel Extreme i7-975 (that's the one you want!!!) CPU, an nVidia GTX680 2GB graphics card, and all my three hard drives, are W.D. Velocirator 1TB 10,000 RPM units.  If you get the above decked out....you will have a killer flight simulation platform.  For USB 3.x...just add a card for that...and then you will have the latest and greatest USB speeds.  Did that as well.

 

The Dell XPS730x, is a total server-grade build, including all server-grade fan cages, with multi-level insertion, that covers each cage element.

 

Being on the ATX-extended size standard, and not Dell propriety, you will be able to upgrade anything within this monster tower, including the PSU, if needed at any future time. They do NOT build tower cases like this anymore. This tower was Dell's last masterpiece of quality and engineering, before they sold themselves out by dropping their own (X)tra (P)erformace (X)treme line-up, for Alienware.  The Dell XPX730x....well...It is the Man of Steel...of towers....and I kid you not.....

 

Check 'em out...and then make your best deal.

 

Google The Dell XPS730x and read up (and view pics), all you need to. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_XPS_730x

 

https://www.google.ca/search?q=The+Dell+XPS730x&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:%7Breferrer:source?%7D&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2-J_YyY_KAhWJ2T4KHb_lBJYQsAQIRw&biw=1536&bih=860

 

 

 

Important note: ...you must get the 730X model...not one only monikered as 730.

 

Ses

 

Utter rubbish.  Why would he want to buy a technology from 4 or 5 generations ago?

Thanks guys for spending time helping. I can't find the xps on the uk fell site ses. Charlatan I didn't even notice it was discontinued http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Next+Day+Gaming+PCs/GLADIATOR+AMD+FX-8350+%2F+GTX960+Next+Day+Gaming+PC+?operation=shoppingBasketAdd&productId=63434&context=systems but noticed this is amd rather than Intel does this make a difference? Clocked to 4.2ghz

 

Thanks again guys

 

That is also discontinued ;)  It is also garbage, avoid AMD like the plague for Flight Simming.

 

 

I've been to their Store off Tottenham Court Rd, Central London, and will vouch that they do make quality hardware. But maybe it'd be worthwhile looking elsewhere for a better graphics card that will take you a long way ahead.

 

Also go check out Scan if you live nearby as they also make quality customised set-ups. When I was in there a few days ago buying a GTX970 GPU, I noticed some fab-looking beasts they have pre-built. And they win loads of Awards too.

And as has been suggested, elsewhere, if your budget can stretch to it, opt for an Intel CPU.

 

The one I linked to can be customised to whatever you like, including a 970.  They are a good £200 cheaper than scan's equivalent too.  A 970 can be added for £80 and £8 for the recommended PSU upgrade to run the 970.

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flight sim, with anything at or above the class of a GTX680 graphic card. 

 

 Being on the ATX-extended size standard, and not Dell propriety, you will be able to upgrade anything within this monster tower, including the PSU, if needed at any future time.

 

Except the most important thing, the CPU of course.

 

 

They do NOT build tower cases like this anymore. This tower was Dell's last masterpiece of quality and engineering,

 

Err... Dell might not but everyone else does. You are 5 years behind the times my friend. :smile:

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Thanks guys for spending time helping. I can't find the xps on the uk fell site ses. Charlatan I didn't even notice it was discontinued http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range/Next+Day+Gaming+PCs/GLADIATOR+AMD+FX-8350+%2F+GTX960+Next+Day+Gaming+PC+?operation=shoppingBasketAdd&productId=63434&context=systems but noticed this is amd rather than Intel does this make a difference? Clocked to 4.2ghz

 

Thanks again guys

Yes, the Dell XPX730x was discontinued the same year that Dell bought Alienware. You'd have to find one on the second hand market...but trust me..it is worth the effort...as well as cost savings to you.

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Except the most important thing, the CPU of course.

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And why would that be?   You'd only have to upgrade to the latest ATX motherboard that hosts the CPU socket and series that you'd want.... But actually, one of the best Intel series ever produced, was the Extreme i7 series in the 975 and 980 die. I think that Moores Law died with their birth....

 

 

 

Err... Dell might not but everyone else does. You are 5 years behind the times my friend. :smile:

I have not see a case that is equal to the strength and weight specs of the Dell XPX730x cases that were fabricated in Japan, and then sent over for populating.  The thing is a beast, and incredibly well made and finished, inside and out.  I'll rebuid with this cabinet, until dust takes me... :)

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Oh right, so you are talking about the enclosure are you, not including the componants inside.

 

Again, not true, there's a plethora of top-notch PC enclosures out there.

 

And I'm not sure why weight convinces you it's an awesome enclosure. Weight is a disadvantage unless you have a fetish for the bench press and stack your steroids.

 

A well desighned enclosure is only as heavy as it needs to be. And preferably aluminium because it conducts heat better.

 

Try a quality aluminium enclosure and you'll be reluctant to go back to heavy, crappy steel.

 

Then we have cooling, cable management and a multitude of other aspects you haven't mentioned

 

I have a Lian Li PC-X510... You should check one out in the flesh, it may give you a better perspective.

 

Or Case Labs.... Now they are certainly awesome cases.

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Oh right, so you are talking about the enclosure are you, not including the componants inside.

 

Again, not true, there's a plethora of top-notch PC enclosures out there.

 

And I'm not sure why weight convinces you it's an awesome enclosure. Weight is a disadvantage unless you have a fetish for the bench press and stack your steroids.

 

A well desighned enclosure is only as heavy as it needs to be. And preferably aluminium because it conducts heat better.

 

Try a quality aluminium enclosure and you'll be reluctant to go back to heavy, crappy steel.

 

Then we have cooling, cable management and a multitude of other aspects you haven't mentioned

 

I have a Lian Li PC-X510... You should check one out in the flesh, it may give you a better perspective.

 

Or Case Labs.... Now they are certainly awesome cases.

Everything you mentioned...is already been there, done that, with the Dell XPX730x case and internals....beautifully routed, and managed cables from the factory.tri-level zoned cooling to block heat transfer from one collective function to the other...strategic fan placements, all thermal controlled, variable speed, does their work seamlessly as per system load demand.  PSU cage totally isolated from the rest of the casing, and stationed at the top, to keep its heat from rising onto other internals.  CPU situated at the dead bottom of the case, to be stationed at the coolest environment, etc... An extremely well thought out, premium system, components, as well as physical design.

 

The motherboard, PSU, i7-Extreme CPU family, air-cooler....all top notch from launch....and has never had a failure of any component, since 2009, with on-average usage of 20 hours a day.  All quality components, always producing a quality interaction. 

 

Yes..I highly recommend this be procurred from the second-hand market...for Dell management of the day, were sheer idiots to ever have stopped the XP line of in-house design. It was the one thing they got absolutely right...but the bean counters killed it off with the acquisition of Alienware...but hey...it's my opinion...and not to change your opinion...and was intended to answer the O.P. in alternative thinking....

 

Oh BTW...weight, as per an enclosure, is never a disadvantage with electronics...for a strong and heavy mass will dampen any and all primary and secondary system vibration by rotating parts, while aluminum, not so much.  Aluminum is sympathetic to a vibrational load, and furthermore...98 percent of system heat is evacuated via air flow brought on by movement of the case fans...and NOT by convection through the metal mass of the case, whether it be steel, or aluminum.  That point is mute.  But anyways....

 

Cheers,

 

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Charlotan I seam to be getting most help answers from you and thanks for your time looking at systems. Am I correct saying the I want to upgrade graphics card to the 970 and motherboard on this system https://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Systems/Gaming+Range/Value+Gamer/GLADIATOR+PHOENIX+-+Intel+i3-4170+%2F+GTX950+Gaming+PC+?productId=63103

 

Thanks, Paul

 

No problem mate.

 

Nope it's the Yoyotech one you want, http://www.yoyotech.co.uk/warbird-h230-quad-core-i5-6600k-gaming-desktop

 

Personally, if you go with it, spend the £88 as I mentioned to upgrade to the 970 and 600w Aerocool PSU.  Just click on the customise button under the price, and it's fairly self explanatory

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Everything you mentioned...is already been there, done that, with the Dell XPX730x case and internals....beautifully routed, and managed cables from the factory.tri-level zoned cooling to block heat transfer from one collective function to the other...strategic fan placements, all thermal controlled, variable speed, does their work seamlessly as per system load demand. PSU cage totally isolated from the rest of the casing, and stationed at the top, to keep its heat from rising onto other internals. CPU situated at the dead bottom of the case, to be stationed at the coolest environment, etc...

 

 

More hyperbole. Show me a schematic of the enclosure! And you think no other PC enclosure manufacturer has equalled this Dell masterpiece? :wink: It's old hat my friend. As I said...there's a plethora of well designed PC enclosures out there. Your Dell fetish is misplaced.

 

"PSU at the top for example", sorry but this isn't a Dell invention, and it's not revolutionary. All enclosures were made this way. Again, old hat. These days PC enclosure manufactures, as a result of testing with thermal cameras, are aware that a PSU at the bottom of the enclosure isn't an issue, in fact it's way more convenient. It has been demonstrated definitively that any rising heat from the PSU is minimal and doesn't impact enclosure cooling one iota. Do you really believe, that the vast majority of PC enclosures, that now have the PSU at the bottom, are failing catastrophically? Or compromised in any way? Of course not... PC's are running just fine thanks!

 

Multi-zoned cooling you say... again, old hat. There's a multitude of enclosures out there [including my X510] that incorporate this in the design. [Not that it makes much difference].

 

 

 

CPU situated at the dead bottom of the case, to be stationed at the coolest environment, etc...

 

Except that it's a myth. This notion that "hot air rising in an enclosure is an issue" has been demonstrated to be nonsense. If you have airflow through an enclosure, then no there is no catastrophic hot zone due to heat rising, it's nonsense. The mixing of air in an enclosure negates such a scenario. Stagnant areas can of course occur in a positive pressure scenario however. And of course...you may be situating the CPU in what you perceive as a "cooler area" but at the same time you are using a CPU air cooler that's blowing hot air from the CPU into that very zone.

 

 

 

The motherboard, PSU, i7-Extreme CPU family, air-cooler....all top notch from launch....

 

 

If you think the stock cooler competes with the NH-D15, then you are living in another dimension. :smile:

 

 

 

Oh BTW...weight, as per an enclosure, is never a disadvantage with electronics...for a strong and heavy mass will dampen any and all primary and secondary system vibration by rotating parts, while aluminum, not so much. Aluminum is sympathetic to a vibrational load, and furthermore...98 percent of system heat is evacuated via air flow brought on by movement of the case fans...and NOT by convection through the metal mass of the case, whether it be steel, or aluminum. That point is mute. But anyways....

 

Of course weight is a disadvantage. we all move our enclosures around now and again. Of course if you are taking decadurabolin and have 20 inch biceps you are okay!

 

As for dampening any vibrations, you imply that just because it's aluminium it will have vibrations... nonsense! PC enclosure manufactures aren't idiots, the aluminium is thick enough, and the design sturdy enough to prevent vibrations. There has been no annoying vibrations in any of the aluminium cases I have owned. do you think Case Labs and Lian Li and Silverstone sell premium quality aluminium cases that vibrate noticeable? You have some strange ideas.

 

As I said, once you have experienced a well made brushed aluminium enclosure from the likes of Case Labs, Silverstone, or Lian Li... you will probably kiss it and want tyo marry it. You may ask it to bear your children!!! :lol:

 

 

98 percent of system heat is evacuated via air flow brought on by movement of the case fans...and NOT by convection through the metal mass of the case, whether it be steel, or aluminum.

 

 

 

Yes I'm aware of that "Dell Fetish Boy"...but if you love hyperbole, then so do I!

 

Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread. :smile:

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then you are living in another dimension.

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You're very much right...the dimension of system satisfaction.  End of story.

 

Ses.

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:BigGrin:

Yes I'm aware of that "Dell Fetish Boy"...but if you love hyperbole, then so do I!

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Grow up martin-w....your comment above, was infantile.

 

To the O.P.   if you don't find anything you like...I still suggest you give the system I suggested a review.  It will certainly work for you. Enough said.

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