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Hi all,

 

Been a long time since I got under the hood, and even then, it was basic stuff... I've never built from scratch exactly, and there are MANY more options now.

 

Can anyone recommend a guide that would be a good reference as to "putting all the pieces together" ?

 

thanks-

Andrew

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Putting them together is the easy bit. Selecting the right bits is crucial.

I would recommend the guides of NickN on simforums.com

 

Here is a taste of what I have achieved following his guides:

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Thanks! 

 

Yeah, that's the thing... guess I should have mentioned I want to optimize for simming :)

 

cheers

Andrew

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Follows NickN's Guides. IMO the very best Build and optimization guide for FSX Available :-)

 

And if you using P3D its easier because nearly all the stuff in the guides that applies to FSX does not apply to Prepared3D V2 or V3.

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Follows NickN's Guides. IMO the very best Build and optimization guide for FSX Available :-)

 

 

 

Maybe once. But always way over the top.

 

Best advice is to keep it simple. His guides were never that. Jam packed with lots of unnecessary steps.

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Maybe once. But always way over the top.

 

Best advice is to keep it simple. His guides were never that. Jam packed with lots of unnecessary steps.

Hi Martin,

 

Any recommendations?

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yeah that's why you will see lots of comments on my YouTube channel from many simmers saying 'Wow, my hardware is the same or better than yours but your performance is far better than mine!'

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yeah that's why you will see lots of comments on my YouTube channel from many simmers saying 'Wow, my hardware is the same or better than yours but your performance is far better than mine!'

 

 

 

Read what I said though. I said "over the top" I didn't say that none of his advice was valid.

 

And how many of those settings and tweaks and procedures were responsible for the superior performance of your hardware? All of them? Five? Six? Eight?... As I said, way over the top.  [in my opinion]. I'm not alone in my opinion.  And I should mention that I get better performance than many too... without his very involved tweaking regime he calls "his bible".

 

He has served the flight sim community well of course, for that I am thankful. This is my opinion, feel free to reject it.

 

The important thing is that you are happy with the advice in his "bible" so all is well.

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And how many of those settings and tweaks and procedures were responsible for the superior performance of your hardware? All of them? Five? Six? Eight?... As I said, way over the top.  [in my opinion]. I'm not alone in my opinion.  And I should mention that I get better performance than many too... without his very involved tweaking regime he calls "his bible".

 

He has served the flight sim community well of course, for that I am thankful. This is my opinion, feel free to reject it.

 

I followed his "bible" and also believe that some steps are way over the top.

 

It's fair to say however that following his guide won't do any harm (at least to me it didn't), and also that there are many very useful tips, particularly regarding the user's approach to installing add-ons and keeping some discipline (no "drunken-sailor" kind of massive add-on installer). To use at the reader's discretion...

 

Also the guide is some years old and things might have evolved.

 

That said, do you know of any alternative guide for starting from scratch? :)

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I followed his "bible" and also believe that some steps are way over the top.

 

It's fair to say however that following his guide won't do any harm (at least to me it didn't), and also that there are many very useful tips, particularly regarding the user's approach to installing add-ons and keeping some discipline (no "drunken-sailor" kind of massive add-on installer). To use at the reader's discretion...

 

Also the guide is some years old and things might have evolved.

 

That said, do you know of any alternative guide for starting from scratch? :)

 

 

Yep pretty much agree with that. And yes, true in terms of the "bible" of his being outdated and not covering the latest hardware.

 

The "harm" if you can call it that is terms of time wasted on many of the steps that are not necessary.

Hi Martin,

 

Any recommendations?

 

 

Can anyone recommend a guide 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, I'm not so sure a "how to build" guide is that important. When I first built, I didn't read any "specific" step by step guide. I researched from many sources. I researched what particular hardware suited my needs, looked at reviews of that hardware, learnt about the capabilities of the hardware, the requirements for that hardware. It was more of an eclectic approach for me. Reviews, articles, magazines like "Custom PC" here in the UK. Videos etc.

 

In addition to the above, when it comes time to build, you will find the motherboard manual tells you pretty much everything you need to know in regard to assembly.

 

The problem with a guide is that it doesn't give you a very broad understanding. So it should be combined with your own research. I have to say though, you don't need to go mad, it isn't that hard. And there's always help here if you get stuck.

 

For a start [just as part of a broader approach] try...

 

https://pcdiy.asus.com/2015/08/build-a-pc-630-z170-gaming-build-6600k-gtx-950/

 

https://pcdiy.asus.com/2015/08/10-things-you-should-should-not-do-when-building-a-pc/

 

 

https://pcdiy.asus.com/2015/08/all-things-asus-z170-skylake-platform-overviews-build-guides-overclocking-more/

 

 

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I think of a guide as that - not just instructions, but something that is made to help you understand not only what parts you have to choose from, but why. A bonus is when the tradeoffs (where they may exist) are discussed, e.g. why a certain graphics card may be great but not ideal if you use addons that depend on "x".

 

Thanks for the info Martin!

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Go to https://pcpartpicker.com. I recommend choosing your parts in the following order:

 

1) CPU (6700K is probably the best choice right now)

2) Case (something like a Fractal Design Define S is fairly compact and gives you plenty of room to work)

3) Motherboard (needs to match your CPU and the form factor of your case)

4) RAM (make sure whatever the exact model of RAM you choose has been tested with your exact model of motherboard)

5) CPU cooler (AIO liquid coolers are effective and simple to install)

6) PSU (a modular cable design will make your life easier)

7) Everything else

 

The ASUS build guides on YouTube are excellent. PC Part Picker also has a YouTube channel where they do complete builds: https://www.youtube.com/user/pcpartpicker/videos

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I would search for topic# 486577 in the P3d sub forum here on Avsim for some good sim component recommendations.

 

You don't mention which sim you would be selecting so hard to give some specifics but this should help.

 

if you decide for a 64 bit sim more RAM will likely be needed.

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You might like this video. JJ from Asus and a PC Part Picker guy provide lots of info and in the second half of the video, a PC build guide.

 

 

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Follows NickN's Guides. IMO the very best Build and optimization guide for FSX Available :-)

 

NickN is about as warm and fuzzy as a prickly pear cactus, which is where 99.9% of his naysayers come from.  You can bet these individuals rightly had their limbs trimmed by Nick for spewing silly nonsense and have had their butts hurt.  Their only retort and retaliation is their lame attempts to discredit him in another forum like here.  Tisk tisk for being so petty and little.  Nick has forgot more about flightsim and computers than most could ever even hope to have learned in their lifetime.

 

Personality aside, I have tried to prove Nick wrong on many occasions.  I did this because I follow no one blindly and I am certainly not any bodies follower but I wanted to see if it made a difference for myself.  I never was able to prove Nick incorrect on any point that he ever made.

 

Of all the silly nonsense on the internet and misinformation generally coming from "Google Quarterbacks" (those that convey what they find on Google as their own), Nick lives, breathes and knows emphatically what he recommends.  I have even seen Nick post that he takes responsibility for advice; how many Google Quarterbacks have you seen offer that. 

 

Nicks guides and continued helpfulness are second to none and I would encourage anyone looking for real and professional PC advice to follow Nick's guide and other posts on his forum.

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I actually agree with both sides here regarding Nick N's guides. On one hand, he is *the* go-to authority for gearing up your rig. OTOH, some of his recommendations do seem "over the top". I would say I followed about 75% and the rest I decided wasn't for me.

 

The references provided here, like the Asus videos, are mainly focused on hardware. But the most dangerous part is the OS. Given that Nick's guides are a few years old and geared for fsx, I would love to see some fresh recommendations for modern systems and P3D. LM still recommends win7 for p3d, but I bet Nick's guides could be refreshed even for win7, to be more suited for P3D. Anything out there that would be a good, recent guide for P3D?

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would love to see some fresh recommendations for modern systems and P3D.

 

This is what I'm mostly concerned about. I can follow/interpret advice regardless of who it's coming from... just wondering how much change there might be.

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Look, lets put it this way windows 7 is still the go to OS for any version FSX/P3D. NickN's recommendations for selecting hardware are every bit as relevant today as when he wrote them. Note the difference between 'hardware recommendations' and 'hardware selection recommendations'. There is no big difference between the BIOS setting guide for today's hardware and the i7 4770k which was cutting edge at the time Nick wrote the guide under 3 years ago. Bios setting guide is the same and overclocking procedure is the same and memory selection calculations are the same. etc. regarding the difference between FSX and P3D common sense dictates that you should follow the guides to the letter until you get to the FSX installation and optimization section if you are installing P3D V2 or V3. Some of it is still relevant but in the case of P3D much is obsolete. But one read through that section in advance of doing anything will make it very clear what you should do and not do.

 

Nick suggests himself that the hardware selection, overclocking and windows 7 optimization guides are universally beneficial to performance for all demanding windows programs. He also suggest that the windows 7 optimization guide is an all or nothing process. i.e. many of the actions taken are interdependent. So hypothetically let say that 10 steps in the guide are interdependent and you carry out only 9 of the ten or less you get none of the benefit.

 

I followed the guide to the letter for FSX and then later is followed guide from scratch from the windows 7 install after I scrapped FSX and installed P3D V2 only. On both occasions based on comments I got on youtube I achieved what was obviously far superior to others with the same hardware at the time and better hardware later from people who didn't follow the guides. If you plan to go to the trouble of building an FS system you owe it to yourself to a least give NickNs guide a complete read through before you do anything.

 

Again some supporting evidence and I owe this completely to following Nicks guides. Sorry for all the videos but I just want to prove once and for all the whether its FSX or P3D NickN's guides deliver obviously superior performance and I challenge anyone to reproduce this raw footage performance on the same system or indeed a better system without using Nicks optimization guides:

 

FSX 2.5 years ago:

 

FSX 2.5 years ago:

 

FSX 2 years ago:

 

FSX 2 years ago:

 

FSX 2 years ago:

 

P3D V2.3 1.5 years ago:

 

P3D V2.4 1.5 years ago:

 

P3D V3 4 months ago:

 

P3D V3 3 months ago:

 

And lastly P3D V3 1 months ago:

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NickN is about as warm and fuzzy as a prickly pear cactus, which is where 99.9% of his naysayers come from.  You can bet these individuals rightly had their limbs trimmed by Nick for spewing silly nonsense and have had their butts hurt.  Their only retort and retaliation is their lame attempts to discredit him in another forum like here.  Tisk tisk for being so petty and little.  Nick has forgot more about flightsim and computers than most could ever even hope to have learned in their lifetime.

 

Personality aside, I have tried to prove Nick wrong on many occasions.  I did this because I follow no one blindly and I am certainly not any bodies follower but I wanted to see if it made a difference for myself.  I never was able to prove Nick incorrect on any point that he ever made.

 

Of all the silly nonsense on the internet and misinformation generally coming from "Google Quarterbacks" (those that convey what they find on Google as their own), Nick lives, breathes and knows emphatically what he recommends.  I have even seen Nick post that he takes responsibility for advice; how many Google Quarterbacks have you seen offer that. 

 

Nicks guides and continued helpfulness are second to none and I would encourage anyone looking for real and professional PC advice to follow Nick's guide and other posts on his forum.

 

 

NickN is about as warm and fuzzy as a prickly pear cactus, which is where 99.9% of his naysayers come from.  You can bet these individuals rightly had their limbs trimmed by Nick for spewing silly nonsense and have had their butts hurt.  Their only retort and retaliation is their lame attempts to discredit him in another forum like here.

 

That's very insulting to be honest Gary. It seems you have a similar attitude to his! 99.9% of his naysayers don't at all come from the "had their limbs trimmed" camp and are simply retaliating, that's a hypothesis based on zero evidence. 

 

It is possible to have a differing opinion, without insulting those that disagree with you.

 

I for one have had no run-ins with him. In fact the first conversation I had with him many years ago was rather polite and friendly. 

 

Nicks guides and continued helpfulness are second to none and I would encourage anyone looking for real and professional PC advice to follow Nick's guide and other posts on his forum.

 

No problem, I have no issue with that.... but my advice is to be prepared to think for yourself and reject aspects of his "bible" that are unnecessary, over the top, or outdated.  That applies to pretty much any source of information, use your common sense, accept what you find valid and reject that which you don't.

 

I have been a moderator elsewhere for a decade, and in that time I have come across many individuals who regard his advice as containing unnecessary steps... and the majority aren't idiots or those that have a grudge. 

 

 

I actually agree with both sides here regarding Nick N's guides. On one hand, he is *the* go-to authority for gearing up your rig. OTOH, some of his recommendations do seem "over the top". I would say I followed about 75% and the rest I decided wasn't for me.

 

 

 

 

Precisely! 

@ Avidean.

 

Nick suggests himself that the hardware selection, overclocking and windows 7 optimization guides are universally beneficial to performance for all demanding windows programs. He also suggest that the windows 7 optimization guide is an all or nothing process. i.e. many of the actions taken are interdependent. So hypothetically let say that 10 steps in the guide are interdependent and you carry out only 9 of the ten or less you get none of the benefit.

 

 

 

My experience... Quiet a while ago, followed his advice "to the letter". Compared to my own previous set-up, no appreciable difference.

 

His favouring of O&O Defrag: Myself and other individuals followed his advice to the letter. Compared to standard defrag methodology, we found no appreciable difference.

 

And no, we didn't do something wrong, or miss his vital steps. We were all experienced with hardware, one of us could have been regarded as an "expert".

 

However, if your rig functions in a godly fashion then that's great. With all things we must make up our own minds.

 

 

If you look at this post form here on Avsim, from two years ago, you can see the identical debate was engaged in. Some favouring his advice, some not, with one individual following his advice to the letter and ending up with worse performance. Most that were successful with his methods used some of his tweaks but not all!

 

http://www.avsim.com/topic/432508-nick-needhams-pc-tweaks/

 

 

 

My advice now is to move on. I don't think it's beneficial to the OP or anyone if we spend all day arguing about our favoured experts. Both sides have made their opinions known!

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Thanks for all the insight everyone!

 

Well, you can't say people aren't passionate about this...

 

 

 


Look, lets put it this way windows 7 is still the go to OS for any version FSX/P3D.

 

I happen to be running Windows 7 on my "gaming" computer currently; however, the computer is not used for flight simming alone, so, ultimately, this is an unsustainable approach for me.

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Well, you can't say people aren't passionate about this...

 

 

 

Daft really isn't it? And all we're doing is pretending to fly a plane on our computers.

 

For my Skylake rig I opted for Windows 10. No W7 for me. Granted I don't sim so much these days, but by 2018 none of us with the latest builds will have a choice. Microsoft won't support W7 on Skylake after 2018.

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