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I'm looking for a good regional Jet for XP10. With "good" I mean at least on pair with a Carenado product (in example like the Flywings Avro RJ70 for FSX), so: credible textures and panels and good 3D models (no fake colors.. plastic looking and such).

I've looked around, but I can only find sub-par looking planes .. nowhere near the FSX/P3D quality.

Anyone has anything to suggest? (please no ugly looking stuff like the avroliner project or such...).

 

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I'm looking for a good regional Jet for XP10. With "good" I mean at least on pair with a Carenado product (in example like the Flywings Avro RJ70 for FSX), so: credible textures and panels and good 3D models (no fake colors.. plastic looking and such).

I've looked around, but I can only find sub-par looking planes .. nowhere near the FSX/P3D quality.

Anyone has anything to suggest? (please no ugly looking stuff like the avroliner project or such...).

 

Bombardier Challenger 300 Captain Edition by ddenn

 

or

 

CRJ-200 by Jrollon.

 

Both available on the .org store, the CRJ-200 also available on x-aviation.

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Thank you, I'll give them a better look on YT. At first look the cockpit texture looked meh .. :( on P3D i were used to fly the RJ70 and the Majestic Dash8.

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The CRJ-200 by JRollon is definitely worth a spot on anybody's hangar, very well done, great performance, granted is does need a cockpit face lift but aside from that, you can't go wrong buying it. I got it when it was on sale, worth every penny even at regular price.

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The Saab 340 isn't a jet but probably the best regional airliner out there. It's study sim level and quality.

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The CRJ-200 by JRollon is definitely worth a spot on anybody's hangar, very well done, great performance, granted is does need a cockpit face lift but aside from that, you can't go wrong buying it. I got it when it was on sale, worth every penny even at regular price.

 

I understand, but I have thousands invested in P3D, and before spending another thousands in XP I would apply the rule: buy only the above average stuff. I perfectly understand that the look isn't everything, but I just can't pass over the poor texturing (probably due to the fact that the aircraft was designed years ago for XP9).

So until I find something that would put a smile on my face saying: holy C .. this cockpit look so real! ...I don't think I will invest more money into this... it's gonna cost a fortune! :/

 

@bonchie: oh I didn't know about it.. now that cockpit looks well done. Lemme see some youtube videos...

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The CRJ-200 by JRollon ...I got it when it was on sale,....

From which seller and how much?

 

I want to add the CRJ-200 to my fleet.

 

Thx.

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CRJ-200 definitely, and knowing that it will receive a sound upgrade by BSS, it will be a blast.

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Thank you, I'll give them a better look on YT. At first look the cockpit texture looked meh .. :sad: on P3D i were used to fly the RJ70 and the Majestic Dash8.

 

I'm not sure what problem you're trying to solve. Why not continue to fly them if they are what you are looking for?

 

That said: if it doesn't have to be a jet, the LES Saab 340 and CRJ-200 have both already been mentioned. Th Saab is a study level aircraft and the CRJ is very complex too.

 

My impression is that you care more about the visuals (you mention Carenado), so the X-Crafts E175 could also be a good choice in your case. As you correctly mention, the Avroliner should be avoided. Not sure if that project is even still alive and kicking.

 

X-Aviation

 

http://www.x-aviation.com/catalog/product_info.php/take-command-crj-200-p-68

 

Can't recall for how much was on sale, but believe me it is worth every penny at regular price.

 

It's also available at x-plane.org if that's the store of your preference: http://store.x-plane.org/CRJ-200_p_82.html

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I'm not sure what problem you're trying to solve. Why not continue to fly them if they are what you are looking for?

 

That said: if it doesn't have to be a jet, the LES Saab 340 and CRJ-200 have both already been mentioned. Th Saab is a study level aircraft and the CRJ is very complex too.

 

My impression is that you care more about the visuals (you mention Carenado), so the X-Crafts E175 could also be a good choice in your case. As you correctly mention, the Avroliner should be avoided. Not sure if that project is even still alive and kicking.

 

 

It's also available at x-plane.org if that's the store of your preference: http://store.x-plane.org/CRJ-200_p_82.html

 

I'm not trying to solve a "problem", I'm trying to find aircraft that matches the FSX/P3D quality.

Yes, I look at the visuals, it's really important to me to have a realistic looking aircraft (visuals), the E175 you mentioned (assuming is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJd70MW8NR0 ) is really sub-par under the visual aspect.. I mean, it looks fake if compared with the real thing.

I'm looking for stuff that are on pair with IXEG 737 or something where the textures doesn't seem painted for a 90's videogame... because with P3D I have tons to chose from, with XP I'm struggling to find a "good looking" aircraft, and I want to give XP10 a chance, that's why I'm recently flying it more.

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is really sub-par under the visual aspect.. I mean, it looks fake if compared with the real thing.
I'm looking for stuff that are on pair with IXEG 737 or something where the textures doesn't seem painted for a 90's videogame

 

Well, for the outside (the fuselages): Good luck. ;) Please note that unlike FSX/P3D, X-Plane is not able to render reflections on aircraft fuselages by default, so 90% of all aircraft outside textures look somehow artificial. The FlightFactor 767 has a plugin which renders some kind of reflection, and there's one Carenado aircraft which achieves a nearly-similar effect with some other technique, but usually, you will miss something.

 

In the inside, though, I don't quite get what you mean. How do the 175's cockpit textures ((https://plus.google.com/photos/+NicolasTaureau/albums/6221849400572904001) look like from a 90's videogame? I don't know what you expect from a cockpit that even in real-life is sterile and boring? Sure, it's not IXEG quality, but certainly good. But if good is not good enough, then, well, sorry, there is no regional jet that fits your needs, because either it's too old (CRJ-200, Challenger 300), or to "90's".

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No it's not about the exterior view, while in fact I can accept a subpar external view (99% of the time, I'm inside the aircraft).

It's especially about the uniformity of the texture, it looks flat. all the panel has the same color, the material appears to be fake, it doesn't take account of the light hitting it, neither it reflect the light in a natural manner.

Look at those panels, how's possible that a whole panel has the same "grey" color code on all the surface? It's like all the parts have been modeled by they forgot to apply the proper textures on them: a real surface is not like that, it has scratches, it has imperfections, it reflects the light differently.

I don't know if it's me to pretend too much... but that's nowhere near the quality I'm looking for.. it's 2016! And if I have to pay someone $40-$50, I pretend that they spend more than 10 minutes to paint a proper texture.

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I don't know if it's me to pretend too much... but that's nowhere near the quality I'm looking for.. it's 2016! And if I have to pay someone $40-$50, I pretend that they spend more than 10 minutes to paint a proper texture.

 

Well, in case of the 175, there is no "they", it's (mostly) just a one-man-show, and not in development for 6 long years like the IXEG. This is also something you need to learn about X-Plane: Most developers consist of one to a few people, and most of them started out as hobbyists, and are still learning. And this shows. Don't expect A2A or PMDG quality, well, except from PMDG ;-) or maybe IXEG.

 

Back to the 175: I'm still not conviced that your description applies to the screenshots. When you display the screenshots from my link in full resolution (like this one), you will notice that the panel texture indeed is NOT uniform. It has a lot of scratches, parts that are darker or brighter, it has parts where the color has even peeled (as if this jet would be 30 years in use, which is a bit overdone imo). Sure, it is not perfect -- but if you want graphical perfection, take the IXEG 737 or wait another 2 years.

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I didn't want to diminish the dev effort.. but I'm a customer, and if I have to pay for something, I pretend that it's top quality.

I have the 737 .. as I have the smaller aircrafts (luckily there's a good choice on that front), I'm just missing a medium/regional one (a little bigger than the 1900D that I have as well...) ... I will look at the Saab eventually, that looks well designed (from the screenshots / youtube).

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I'm new to X-Plane as well. I've found the Challenger 300 and the CRJ-200 to be quite good with the CRJ a little better in my opinion. If you're OK with a regional turboprop instead of a jet, the Saab 340 is extremely well done and very fun to fly.

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Hi, thanks.. but the Challenger and the CRJ are bad designed for my taste, I've looked at the 340 already and it looks good enough.. i need to find more videos and pictures, coz I won't waste my money on something that then i won't fly.

I know I'm exigent, but I really can't look at a low res texture or a bad designed knob and stuff like this.. it really ruins everything after you spend so much time and money to tweak your scenery, upgrade your PC to pump the settings to the "max".. etc.

I'm talking exclusively about the look of course.. not the physics, avionics, etc.

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it really ruins everything after you spend so much time and money

I'm talking exclusively about the look of course.. not the physics, avionics, etc

 

Really????

 

Why would you call the CRJ a "bad designed" as you put it, if you don't even own it?

 

Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and money (time=money) developers put on in such complicated projects? I Don't think so cause if you did, you would not be making such negative comments.

 

If you don't like the looks then don't buy it.

 

I can understand you are "exigent" but to criticize in such manner an extremely well designed aircraft from every perspective, is just totally uncalled for.  

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Looks do matter to me. I like the way the CRJ looks. I have this one on my wish list.

 

Just as important to me is the ability to enter a FP and use the AP to fly the plan and ILS approach. If the plane can't do that, then I do not see a reason to buy it.

 

Sounds add to the immersion. IMHO this is where XP 10 fails to deliver.

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Really????

 

Why would you call the CRJ a "bad designed" as you put it, if you don't even own it?

 

Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and money (time=money) developers put on in such complicated projects? I Don't think so cause if you did, you would not be making such negative comments.

 

If you don't like the looks then don't buy it.

 

I can understand you are "exigent" but to criticize in such manner an extremely well designed aircraft from every perspective, is just totally uncalled for.  

 

Ok a couple of examples:

 

Everything that looks worse than a Carenado B1900D is bad designed for my taste (The B1900 is acceptable).

A IXEG 737 or a PMDG 737 (talking about FSX/P3D) are well designed for my taste.

 

I didn't talked about the developer effort, neither I want to discuss about how many people have worked at the CRJ if compared with Carenado or PMDG companies. I'm talking exclusively about the graphic quality.

 

You say, if you don't like it... the issue is that looking at the youtube videos or screenshots isn't the best way to judge... but unfortunately they doesn't provide a DEMO or an evaluation copy, so that's the only way I have (and asking here on the forum of course).

Looks do matter to me. I like the way the CRJ looks. I have this one on my wish list.

 

Just as important to me is the ability to enter a FP and use the AP to fly the plan and ILS approach. If the plane can't do that, then I do not see a reason to buy it.

 

Sounds add to the immersion. IMHO this is where XP 10 fails to deliver.

 

Right.. im struggling to find the same quality I have with P3D, some of the models there does have the WOW factor.

Talking about the scenery I find P3D at low altitude with ORBX more convincing, while XP10 with mesh performs better at high altitude because of the textures diversification.

The weather (and the clouds representation) .. there's no story here, XP10 is ugly as hell if compared with REX, even with SkyMaxx+connector and RTH tweaks.. 90% of the times the clouds are so fake that you must turn them off.

Where XP is really ahead of P3D is about the night (so the lighting).. it's really well done and alot more convincing than P3D.

 

But in general I agree, with XP I find it harder to replicate a "real world" scenario, in example just for a nice screenshot... with P3D I found it easier as at every flight I was "oh!".

 

Atm I'm still experimenting with XP, because i find the flight more smooth (despite the similar fps) and because P3Dv3.2 is a nightmare with the blurred textures.. so i'm taking a pause from it.

 

...oh and i'm massively OT in this thread! :D

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PMDG 737 (talking about FSX/P3D) are well designed for my taste.

 

LOL...did you ever see the B1900 cockpit graphics/instrument panel by PMDG when it first came out? I would guess you didn't. 

 

I bought it anyway, my way of supporting a company's first release.

 

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I would think and maybe even bet on it, that JRollon (CRJ creator) traded cockpit looks for fidelity in the hopes that performance would not be an issue. If that is the case, then he did right on doing so. Now a days, we have GPU's 3 or 4 times faster then what was available at the time, so "bad designed" cockpit graphics as you have put it, is a thing of the past (IXEG 737) 

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I'm sorry, but I'm not talking about donations (because for me purchasing something that I won't use, will be just that... a donation). I want to buy something that I will use, not giving my money for "support" (I do often, but I didn't open a thread to ask for who needs support.. :) ).

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I'm sorry, but I'm not talking about donations (because for me purchasing something that I won't use, will be just that... a donation). I want to buy something that I will use, not giving my money for "support" (I do often, but I didn't open a thread to ask for who needs support.. :) ).

 

 

Donations...LOL.

 

By buying something you are actually supporting it, that is what you and I have been doing all the time and that is precisely why companies like PDGM, REX, etc, keep coming out with better products all the time.

 

I we if all had that "Donation" attitude these companies would NOT be where they are today.

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I'll add another vote for the LES Saab 340. There's a huge - and I mean HUGE - quality gap between it and other aircraft that have been mentioned here, such as the CRJ-200 or the X-Crafts E175. The latter two are... well, they're not bad for X-Plane standards, but honestly I would hesitate to recommend them unless they are on sale. The Saab 340 though, as well as the IXEG, are among the few X-Plane addons that can keep up with the best that FSX/P3D have to offer.

 

Now for those who are feeling a bit more adventurous there's also the very excellent Felis AN-24 and his YAK-40. I don't have the Yak, but the AN-24 is absolutely superb and chances are that the Yak is just as good. Also, they're both only $10 and at that price they're a steal!

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