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Hi,After years of flightsimming, I've finally dicovered the fun of using the VC. I currently fly the following aircraft;1) Aeroworx B2002) Dreamfleet B583) PMDG 737NG-700Flying the B200 and B58 from the VC is a pleasure for the graphics are great and most importantly, they're fully functional. The only panel I have showing on my second monitor now is my RXP GNS530 which is fitted to both aircraft.So I'm covered for the props as far as the VC goes.Now for the jet. I'm considering doing one of the following three things;1) Upgrade the 737 with 8/900 package to get the more fully functional VC. For those who have, I would be interested in knowing how much of an upgrade it really is. For example, is the Overhead Panel fully functional?2) Forget the 737 upgrade and buy the LDS-767? I was a long time PIC767 pilot, so I'm familiar with the aircraft. The VC screenshots on the LDS website look great. However, I've flown the 767 for so long that to me it seems like it would be more of the same, but obviously, greatly enhanced. I would get used the enhancements pretty fast.3) Go for the PMDG 747. This would be a new experience for me and I would like to have a longer range jet.I'm only going to purchase one of the three. Price isn't the factor, overall performance in VC mode is. Thanks in advance,Lawrie

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Having both versions of the PMDG, and the Level D, the Level D wins hands down, IMO. It is so realistic to fly, that you can't wait to take it up again. It is the only FS9 large jet aircraft, that I enjoy hand flying.

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If you want the best and most immersive VC out there (well, not taking the Realair Spitfire into account)then nothing beats the PMDG 744. The Level-D is very good too but not quite in the same league. Level-D certainly has other virtues where it excels, but talking about VC then the Queen is the King.I might add that I'm using Track IR for flying in VC mode.

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>Having both versions of the PMDG, and the Level D, the Level>D wins hands down, IMO. It is so realistic to fly, that you>can't wait to take it up again. It is the only FS9 large jet>aircraft, that I enjoy hand flying. Hi Bob,Are you comparing the upgraded (8/900) to the Level D?Lawrie

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I would say for VC immersion the PMDG Queen is the best out there, except for the spitfire. It also, amazingly enough, has better framerates than the LDS VC.

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>If you want the best and most immersive VC out there (well,>not taking the Realair Spitfire into account)then nothing>beats the PMDG 744. The Level-D is very good too but not quite>in the same league. Level-D certainly has other virtues where>it excels, but talking about VC then the Queen is the King.>>I might add that I'm using Track IR for flying in VC mode.I hear TrackIR is great. That's for another time though. Thanks for the reply. I guess I'm leaning towards the Queen at the moment.I've never had a payware 747 in the hanger and would like the range. I know there's no such thing as perfection and both the 747 and 767 have their strengths a weaknesses. Now that I enjoy flying via the VC, I'm looking for that balance between overall performance and functionality, especially where the VC is concerned.Lawrie

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Flying solely from the VC with the LDS 767 can be a real pain! A lot of switches/buttons just don't work. For example flying on VATSIM if you want to change your com frequency you'll have to call up the good old 2D panel, which sort of defeats the object

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>So I'm covered for the props as far as the VC goes.>You're still not covered! :D The RealAir Simulations SF260 & Spitfire are mandentory VC birds!Very unique in smoothness of frame rates, fluid gauge rates, gauge clarity, the perfect illusion of airframe movement, and exceptional flight dynamics.L.Adamson

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>>Having both versions of the PMDG, and the Level D, the>Level>>D wins hands down, IMO. It is so realistic to fly, that you>>can't wait to take it up again. It is the only FS9 large jet>>aircraft, that I enjoy hand flying. >>Hi Bob,>>Are you comparing the upgraded (8/900) to the Level D?>>Lawrie>I sure am

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>Flying solely from the VC with the LDS 767 can be a real>pain! A lot of switches/buttons just don't work. For example>flying on VATSIM if you want to change your com frequency>you'll have to call up the good old 2D panel, which sort of>defeats the object

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you can't program the FMC from the VC and other examples I've forgotten. PMDGs NG and 744 both have fully functioning VCs which are outstanding. If Level D patched their 767 to make full VC functionality it would be right uptop there too on my list, but until then, PMDG hands down wins the battle

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Thanks for all the info guys. I think the 747 will be the one.Lawrie

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>Thanks for all the info guys. I think the 747 will be the>one.Yes, nothing among airliners available for MSFS can beat PMDG 747's state of the art VC. If VC is your priority - the choice is ridiculously obvious ;)Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_beta_member.jpg

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That is the only thing you can't do it the VC, and Frankly, I would rather push those small buttons in the 2D cockpit anyway. As far as flying quality, lack of bugs, and features the 767 is way ahead of the competition in my opinion.

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Go and get one of Ariane's 737 Ngs with VCe. They have by far the best VC which is available for airliners in FS2004 at the moment.And in addition Ariane has some promotional sales going on at the moment. Their older VCe1 editiones (available for the 600, 700 and 900)are currently reduced by approx. 30 %. They are not as good as Ariane's VCe2 models but far better and fps friendlier as the VCs of their competitors.Wolfgang

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I have to say that would be a VERY tough decision. All three are AWESOME aircraft and thus, as I could afford it, I bought them all and fly them all regularly. And all of them are BEAUTIFUL from the cockpit.If I HAD to pick an order due to budget and paychecks, I'd go PMDG747, LDS 767 (and to me they are the same -- both are bloody sweet) then get the upgrade to the NG. And I only say that because if you have one NG series already then getting the 747 or 767 would add aircraft style variety to your simming experience.If you get the LDS 767 - one great project to do with it is reenact the Leisure Intl flight from the ITVV movie :-) You can find the flight plans and files needed for that flight on AVSIM. Just search for "Leisure"Hope this helps.

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OH I forgot to add . . . .About being covered as far as props go . . . You REALLY should give the Flight1 ATR consideration if you decide to expand your props again. She's a beauty and can be flown ENTIRELY from the VC -- EVER switch and function works from her VC except the FMC, which is VERY minor in detail to program in a window all it's own :-)

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ATR - great aircraft, great artwork, great systems simulation by Dreamfleet. But VC gauges are bit too jerky for some solid IFR practice.Michael J.

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Aye very true. It did take me a few hardware tweaks toget her smooth. My system is as it is now in my signature -- ATR finally runs as smooth as my girlfriends . . .erm . . . as smooth as a . . of forget it. it runs smooth now LOL.

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I'm not going to debate PMDG VS LDS except to say the LDS already has 2 service packs behind them and it is one of the top add-ons ever. The PMDG is up there as well, and once they nail down the few issues it will be a masterpiece. You can't go wrong with either

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They are all great aircraft but for me the 747 is marginally ahead beacuse the VC is fully functional and VNAV has the 'more drag' messages on the MCU.

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There is an airplane that does not seem to get much credits.. it is the Feelthere ERJ, it has a pretty good systems modeling, smooth gauges in the VC and the VC is 100% fully functional... I love the queen, but for short flights, IMO nothing beats the ERJRegardsJohn

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>There is an airplane that does not seem to get much credits..>it is the Feelthere ERJ, it has a pretty good systems>modeling, smooth gauges in the VC and the VC is 100% fully>functional... I love the queen, but for short flights, IMO>nothing beats the ERJ>Regards>JohnNot to put down the ERJ... but the VC leaves much to be desired.The overhead labels for knobs and switches are so blurry and out of focus, that they are nearly impossible to read.The switches and knobs themselves are even blurry.There is no dome lighting for the VC so if you fly at certain times of day, you cannot read ANYTHING on the PFD.The ERJ is ok, but nowhere in the same league as PMDG 747-400 / Level-D 767.To clarify about the Level-D, you cannot use the FMC from the VC, and you can not change your transponder code from the VC.Other than those two things, everything else is functional in the VC.

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