Skip to content
View in the app

A better way to browse. Learn more.

The AVSIM Community

A full-screen app on your home screen with push notifications, badges and more.

To install this app on iOS and iPadOS
  1. Tap the Share icon in Safari
  2. Scroll the menu and tap Add to Home Screen.
  3. Tap Add in the top-right corner.
To install this app on Android
  1. Tap the 3-dot menu (⋮) in the top-right corner of the browser.
  2. Tap Add to Home screen or Install app.
  3. Confirm by tapping Install.

CDI needle on wrong side for ILS landings.

Featured Replies

I have been flying Flight Simulator since 1984  (yes, I am old) and FSX since it came out in 2006. My problem is that when I am vectored to a ILS approach to KSFO the CDI needle is on the wrong side for the approach. I have tried updating the navaid base with no difference. It happens on all runways at KSFO that have an ILS approach. All other airports work fine. I am using MTX 6.0 and have made the blg. for KSFO passive and that didn't work either.

I recently updated my OS from Windows 7 to Windows 10. Other than that I don't have any add-on aircraft.

Appreciate any ideas.

Bob G.

Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 | Intel i-7700k  4.5 Ghz | RTX 3060 | 32GB OCZ DDR3, 1330 | 35" Curved Samsung monitor. | Windows 10 Home Pro Edition Premium | Samsung 1TB SSD | Samsung 1TB SSD |  UTLive/ P3DV5.3/ SF, AS P3D5.3  MSFS 2020.

Bob,

 

Could you elaborate on "... the wrong side for the approach"?  I'm assuming you're not flying a back course, you've tuned in the correct ILS frequency, and that the needle isn't on the same side as the runway.  Correct?

 

Dave

(started in 1983 with FS for the Commodore 64, yes, old too)

dv

Win 10 Pro || i7-8700K ||  32GB || ASUS Z370-P MB || NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11Gb || 2 960 PRO 1TB, 840 EVO

My Files in the AVSIM Library

Personally, I've never seen the BC button work.  It should flip the localizer indicator to the other side, shouldn't it?  Or am I missing something.

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

  • Commercial Member

Personally, I've never seen the BC button work.  It should flip the localizer indicator to the other side, shouldn't it?  Or am I missing something.

 

BC button is an autopilot function.  On a back course approach, flipping a deviation indicator to the other side is only possible (in a relative sense) with an HSI, where the front inbound course should be set to "negate" the reverse sensing (this will be opposite your true inbound course on approach).  Conventional CDI equipment can't negate it, and will always be flown reverse sensed (with the OBS set to the back inbound course), and thus the BC button is needed to get the autopilot to properly steer "away" from the deviation indication to intercept the loc.

Damian Clark
HiFi  Simulation Technologies

 

 


BC button is an autopilot function. On a back course approach, flipping a deviation indicator to the other side is only possible (in a relative sense) with an HSI, where the front inbound course should be set to "negate" the reverse sensing (this will be opposite your true inbound course on approach). Conventional CDI equipment can't negate it, and will always be flown reverse sensed (with the OBS set to the back inbound course), and thus the BC button is needed to get the autopilot to properly steer "away" from the deviation indication to intercept the loc.

 

Now I feel dumb.  I don't know why I always expected the HSI to show what the autopilot was thinking.  Thanks Damian.

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

  • Author

How do I attach an image to this post?

Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 | Intel i-7700k  4.5 Ghz | RTX 3060 | 32GB OCZ DDR3, 1330 | 35" Curved Samsung monitor. | Windows 10 Home Pro Edition Premium | Samsung 1TB SSD | Samsung 1TB SSD |  UTLive/ P3DV5.3/ SF, AS P3D5.3  MSFS 2020.

1.  Upload it to a site like imgur.com

2.  Right click on the image to "View Image" after it's uploaded.

3.  Copy the link

4.  Click the little picture icon on the toolbar and paste the link.

 

TT8h7oC.jpg

Gregg Seipp

"A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane.  A great landing is when you can reuse it."
i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090

  • Author

Okay. I know how to do a ILS landing. The question is why does it only happen at KSFO? It had been working fine in the past. Could a Windows update cause such a problem?

Is there something messed up in the panel config?

Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 | Intel i-7700k  4.5 Ghz | RTX 3060 | 32GB OCZ DDR3, 1330 | 35" Curved Samsung monitor. | Windows 10 Home Pro Edition Premium | Samsung 1TB SSD | Samsung 1TB SSD |  UTLive/ P3DV5.3/ SF, AS P3D5.3  MSFS 2020.

  • Administrators

Okay. I know how to do a ILS landing. The question is why does it only happen at KSFO? It had been working fine in the past. Could a Windows update cause such a problem?

Is there something messed up in the panel config?

Is it actually keeping you from doing the ILS landing on Runway 19L at KSFO?  Seeing your screenshot over at the

other site, I assume you are flying a TDS 737 with the older 737-400 2D cockpit?

Charlie Aron

AVSIM Board of Directors-ADMIN/Moderator-Registrar

Just going to run a Chromebook and not upgrade to a Windows computer. Too many problems with the new Sims! 😱
Trying to keep peace and harmony and the will of Landru on the site seems to be a full time job!

                          images (1) (1).jpeg

  • Author

Forget the screenshot as I said. It was not taken during the actual approach but much later when the App. didn't work/.

The aircraft is the default B737-800 with a panel I have been using for years. You can find it by searching the library for a file named, greg737.zip.

The question is simply, why does it just happen at KSFO?

Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 | Intel i-7700k  4.5 Ghz | RTX 3060 | 32GB OCZ DDR3, 1330 | 35" Curved Samsung monitor. | Windows 10 Home Pro Edition Premium | Samsung 1TB SSD | Samsung 1TB SSD |  UTLive/ P3DV5.3/ SF, AS P3D5.3  MSFS 2020.

I, too, have "flown" Flight Simulator since before MS stole, I mean, acquired it.  Visuals and content have certainly changed since those days.

 

To your question, if you had no problem when using Windows 7 and now have a problem using Windows 10 it sounds as though that is your problem.  I have heard of others with the CDI needle on the wrong side.

 

Another thing, with this being your only add-on aircraft, you cannot tell if you have this problem with other add-on aircraft, in other words it is possible Windows 10 is playing havoc with the software you have.

 

I thought about shooting an approach at that airport with a few different add-on aircraft, however, I am still using Windows 7 and the results would most likely prove invalid compared to Windows 10.

  • Author

@Dan. This  would happen when using W7 also, but not every time as the problem I am having with KSFO. I am not using a add-on aircraft. Default B737-800 or any default FSX aircraft, this will happen.

Gigabyte P67A-UD3-B3 | Intel i-7700k  4.5 Ghz | RTX 3060 | 32GB OCZ DDR3, 1330 | 35" Curved Samsung monitor. | Windows 10 Home Pro Edition Premium | Samsung 1TB SSD | Samsung 1TB SSD |  UTLive/ P3DV5.3/ SF, AS P3D5.3  MSFS 2020.

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Account

Navigation

Search

Search

Configure browser push notifications

Chrome (Android)
  1. Tap the lock icon next to the address bar.
  2. Tap Permissions → Notifications.
  3. Adjust your preference.
Chrome (Desktop)
  1. Click the padlock icon in the address bar.
  2. Select Site settings.
  3. Find Notifications and adjust your preference.