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Curious on everyones experience so far with FI 1.7x and XP11 beta..

Without HDR turned on, the c172 cockpit is a bit too dark, however i can pull about 28 fps in NYCX area (though around 36 fps with p3d locked at 48 fps)..

 

If i turn on HDR its brighter but i drop to 17-21 fps at best.. i couldnt find a good combination that worked well with HDR turned on.

I set HDR to "HDR" (the top slider).

 

I havent done much yet with NI settings either, though i think Thread Optimization on Auto was better than off.

 

I really didnt find turning on ASW that usable.. and also at one point i had HDR on after messing with combinations and i was getting 7/25 for a frame rate and couldnt get out of that without just turning off HDR.

 

I set FI to 3840 on the resolution and 4x in the FI AA.

 

 

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Thanks for advising this was out. I had it for XP 10 and now XP11 beta. Downloaded and installed with XP11. Everything working as it should and glad for the HDR addition. I have my settings on pretty high. HDR on high. Texture quality high.4xSSAA+FXAA.World objects and level detail on maximum. Flew out of UUEE, using SKYMAXP4 partly cloudy. Pulling 20-24 fps. Though this looks weak it actually flys fairly smoothly though I'm getting the pop-outs which used to occur with the first P3D incarnation. Hopefully that can be fixed. I think the performance leaves something to be desired though and would like to see some kind of performance optimization.

 

I still think the VR implementation with Aerofly FS2 is the best. Better performance, graphics, panels, avionics - all look better. Maybe that's the difference when a VR is built in natively rather than as a 3rd party app with XP and P3D.

 

i7-4790 3.6 ghz 16gb DDR3. 1080AMPExtreme 8 gb.

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Thanks for advising this was out. I had it for XP 10 and now XP11 beta. Downloaded and installed with XP11. Everything working as it should and glad for the HDR addition. I have my settings on pretty high. HDR on high. Texture quality high.4xSSAA+FXAA.World objects and level detail on maximum. Flew out of UUEE, using SKYMAXP4 partly cloudy. Pulling 20-24 fps. Though this looks weak it actually flys fairly smoothly though I'm getting the pop-outs which used to occur with the first P3D incarnation. Hopefully that can be fixed. I think the performance leaves something to be desired though and would like to see some kind of performance optimization.

 

I still think the VR implementation with Aerofly FS2 is the best. Better performance, graphics, panels, avionics - all look better. Maybe that's the difference when a VR is built in natively rather than as a 3rd party app with XP and P3D.

 

i7-4790 3.6 ghz 16gb DDR3. 1080AMPExtreme 8 gb.

 

Wow, how are you getting even that high of fps, curious.

 

Are you set at 3840 on the FI res.. what AA is FI set to?  Is FI FXAA set to enabled.. ASW turned off?

 

If do the same settings on mine i end up with 16 fps at KPIT, a very easy area.. though i have overcast turned on.

 

My ATW value is terrible too.. around 52 not 90.

 

I may try a clean install of the nvidia driver and wipe out the flyinside settings too.. unsure whats going on here.

 

Btw i agree that the VR is great out of the box in Aerofly FS2 though.

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I found the performance to be absolutely horrible. FI is off the table for me, I'll wait for native VR support in XP11...

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I found the performance to be absolutely horrible. FI is off the table for me, I'll wait for native VR support in XP11...

Some are saying there should be no difference with a 1080 card and whether hdr is on or not.. i'm not finding this to be the case.. which card do you have

Another finding...
 
 
When you run XP by itself outside of VR, you can do keyboard shortcuts like shift + 1 etc to change views..
 
For some reason these dont seem to work when FI is going on..
 
Maybe its a bug or  there a workaround, or maybe i'm missing something?

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I found the performance to be absolutely horrible. FI is off the table for me, I'll wait for native VR support in XP11...

The latest XP 11  beta3 has improved performance!

Jay

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The latest XP 11  beta3 has improved performance!

Jay

Seems to still be a mess for me.. extremely stuttery and laggy with HDR + 4SSA turned on in the sim.  ATW values 40-65 with this setting

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Thanks for advising this was out. I had it for XP 10 and now XP11 beta. Downloaded and installed with XP11. Everything working as it should and glad for the HDR addition. I have my settings on pretty high. HDR on high. Texture quality high.4xSSAA+FXAA.World objects and level detail on maximum. Flew out of UUEE, using SKYMAXP4 partly cloudy. Pulling 20-24 fps. Though this looks weak it actually flys fairly smoothly though I'm getting the pop-outs which used to occur with the first P3D incarnation. Hopefully that can be fixed. I think the performance leaves something to be desired though and would like to see some kind of performance optimization.

 

I still think the VR implementation with Aerofly FS2 is the best. Better performance, graphics, panels, avionics - all look better. Maybe that's the difference when a VR is built in natively rather than as a 3rd party app with XP and P3D.

 

i7-4790 3.6 ghz 16gb DDR3. 1080AMPExtreme 8 gb.

 

Wow, how are you getting even that high of fps, curious.

 

Are you set at 3840 on the FI res.. what AA is FI set to?  Is FI FXAA set to enabled.. ASW turned off?

 

If do the same settings on mine i end up with 16 fps at KPIT, a very easy area.. though i have overcast turned on.

 

My ATW value is terrible too.. around 52 not 90.

 

I may try a clean install of the nvidia driver and wipe out the flyinside settings too.. unsure whats going on here.

 

Btw i agree that the VR is great out of the box in Aerofly FS2 though.

Well I tried from KSEA and performance around 15-18. 2368x1464. FXAA enabled.MSAA4X enabled on FI. ASW turned off. I haven't tried it without HDR but shutting it off just defeats the purpose. Performance is not good frankly. It is still in beta so should be room for improvement .

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For some reason FI has corrupted XP11. I've lost KSEA airport and now when I go in the sim without FI I have a stretched image. Messed up. Deinstalled FI and I'm going to reinstall XP11. I think I'll leave FI11 beta until they come up with a clean version.

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Well I tried from KSEA and performance around 15-18. 2368x1464. FXAA enabled.MSAA4X enabled on FI. ASW turned off. I haven't tried it without HDR but shutting it off just defeats the purpose. Performance is not good frankly. It is still in beta so should be room for improvement .

Yeah p3d is far less shimmering for me..

 

NYCX on approach to KJFK.. about 16 fps with 4SSA turned on with HDR and 65 ATW.. if i turn it to disabled AA but fxaa and 4x in the FI interface, i might get around 28 fps but it looks ridiculous.

 

If only there was some way to use a dataref and/or LUA script to set the gamma a bit higher.. i think that would probably work as well.. frankly the goggles themselves dont have HDR, though yeah it looks better with it enabled.

 

I may try this on my clean windows 10 image just to make sure i'm not missing something..

 

my tests were at a higher res with the 1080 card.. 3840 

For some reason FI has corrupted XP11. I've lost KSEA airport and now when I go in the sim without FI I have a stretched image. Messed up. Deinstalled FI and I'm going to reinstall XP11. I think I'll leave FI11 beta until they come up with a clean version.

Are you using default KSEA or a 3rd party addon for the area?

 

If addon, i guess you probably know, but you can check the custom addons folder (forget the name) and/or use xaddonmanager to view the ini properties to see if it somehow got disabled.

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Yes using default KSEA. Very odd. The real odd thing was the graphics are stretched. Only thing I did was install FI. Something corrupted the install.

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Some extensive testing tonight..

 

My hardware is listed in my sig, but basically oculus rift + 1080 FTW hybrid + 4.7 6700k..

 

I'm using KSEA on approach with these specific coordinates as a test: 47.48 N and 122.31 W (vanilla install of b3 of xp11 with only north america loaded in this test)

 

I'm using the clear weather with about 80miles visibility as the setting. (i found with scattered clouds i couldnt get the same cloud type each time to get good results for comparing)

Hit pause just after loading so its aiming at the runway/airport downward..

 

**Note.. in all cases, at least for me... if i tried to set NI AA it made NO difference when HDR was on.. however, leaving the settings did make a difference in FPS, just no difference in jaggies/shimmering..

Where NI AA did make a difference was with HDR off.. and AA off in XP11.. but, i couldnt get addons like reshade to work to try to brighten up the horrid darkness of no HDR.. if there is a workaround to this, this may help on frame rate in the long run.. (reshade breaks flyinside)

 

My baseline test had:

Visual: HDR

Textures: High

NO shadows

World Objects: high

Reflections : Min

 

 

I found these color adjustments in FI to work better:

4% Darkness

-6% on Bright

and 126% on saturation

 

Using the above settings in the c172 default with beta 3 (and with all settings in NI at default, even thread optimization.. i found a 5 fps boost by leaving this on AUTO not off for some reason)..

 

AT FI of 2880 res:

I tried 4SAA around 35 fps.. if i switch to 2SSA + FXAA its around 41fps..

 

FI 2880 again, another test, this time with shadows turned on and 4SAA.. 30 fps ..

 

Now FI set to 3840 res and shadows OFF **much better visibility/clarity than at 2880):

I tried 4SAA i get 26 avg paused (but more like 22-26 with looking around)..

Turn to 2SSA+FXAA i get 36ish for the frame rate (no shadows) but it looks a tad worse on clarity and shimmering.

Leave at 2SSA + FXAA and turn on shadows, 36 becomes 26 fps

 

Overall, just turning on shadows will cost about 3-4 fps.

 

Setting reflections to medium, up a notch, made no real difference in fps

 

Setting buildings to medium instead of high resulted in LESS shimmer, maybe due to being less advanced.. but NO change in FPS, however, going from high to the max was a loss in fps (2-3)

 

 

So what this boils down to for me as of now, unless there are ways of tweaking graphics through datarefs, like maybe customizing shadows somehow or turning off traffic?.. that basically i found 3840 supersampling to be the best looking especially at 4SAA, but shadows is killer.. and even at 26 fps with 4SAA and 3840 and no shadows, this is a tad on the low side.. areas like NYCX will tank, so i may find myself for now just setting things to 2SAA + fxaa to get 36 fps (so more like 30 if i turn on shadows with that combo)..

 

It may seem a slight difference going from 4saa to 2saa, but i can see where things are clearer and in goggles that lack the resolution, clarity is everything, at least to me.

 

Other notes: FXAA and the AA in FI seem to have little or NO effect on the sim clarity and shimmering, but more so with the menu for flyinside in terms of clarity.. i tried disabling AA in the sim and leaving FI at 8x, it was pretty awful shimmering, and again, NI setting SGSS made no difference on shimmering with AA off in the sim with HDR, only when it was off.

 

Overall, i still think P3D looks a bit sharper with flyinside.. hoping as the beta improves flyinside will gain some tweaks to reduce the shimmering effect and gain some performance / fps.

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Not using XP-11! I am using Steam FSX cleanly installed (No boxed or Gold Edition w/ Sp1,2 Eccel,., etc.), With the Flyinside Rift's Options you can have you FPS displayed on the little floating menu window that appears when you press the direct button, RTMF! Mine says 35/90. The first number is from the sim the second it from the whamy whatever that generates another screen or window between tracking moves or screens. In essence it's feels like 90FPS, very comfortable. I think I read it first appeared in P3D. I just saw it in FSX so it must be there!  grabbed an AMD RX-480 video card because I knew I needed more GPU power, it was cheap and  I will use it in another machine after The Vega from AMD or the new Nvidia super dupa card can be looked at. And if I can buy a `CPU that is as good as Intels best for a lot less money than guess what! I will say the RX-408 turned out to be one hell of a card for $239.00. There is no doubt the lenses could use some improvement in the Rift. However as I play with this setup I have been able to make it better and better, I can actually fly with it very well. Positioning the sensors and getting your body and head where it belongs in the cockpit make a world of difference.

The one thing that cannot be argued with, you can have a great BenQ monitor like the one I have but your still sitting in  FRONT of it, sorry to yell, lost it for a minute there. With the VR setup your sitting 'IN THE COCKPIT', sorry again! Everyone who sat in my cockpit was blown away!!! They couldn't believe it. I thought I was actually taking off, my tummy felt it my grand daughter said, just like a real plane! My 4 year old Great grandson ripped the headset OFF, to damn real for him to see the little Ailean guy in the Oculus demo, I like it on the screen (monitor), said he. The grown ups were just as amazed! The sense of actually being in the cockpit and flying is kind of hard to describe, you need to try it!

Merry Xmas

BaldyB

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Some extensive testing tonight..
 
 

 

EDIT: i should mention in my 4saa + 3840 FI res tests.. where i would see about 27 fps to start.. if you unpause the ATW values drift down from 92.. sometimes even as low as 65 as you get closer to the runway/buildings.. but overall its "ok" though not great performance wise.. i may toy around with trying to lock frames to see if it helps keep the ATW values up as it did with p3d.

 

update:  ok, so the 27 fps had with 4ssa + 3840 (more like 27/90-48 depending).. is unusable due to the low ATW at times.. even KPIT, showing 29 fps sim rate at first.. but the atw drops to 45-50.. and this isnt a big region like KSEA.. so its 2SSA for now until maybe 5-9 fps could be squeezed out from somewhere else i guess.. 

 

Not using XP-11! I am using Steam FSX cleanly installed (No boxed or Gold Edition w/ Sp1,2 Eccel,., etc.), demo, I like it on the screen (monitor), said he. The grown ups were just as amazed! The sense of actually being in the cockpit and flying is kind of hard to describe, you need to try it!

Merry Xmas

BaldyB

I agree, once you get in the cockpit in VR, its hard to back to a 2D screen:)

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Latest progress so far..

 

I have a strange issue, seems if i'm not launching with flyinside, but just using xplane11 on the lcd screens.. the view is upside down.. i cant figure out how to undo this either..

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Latest progress so far..
 
I have a strange issue, seems if i'm not launching with flyinside, but just using xplane11 on the lcd screens.. the view is upside down.. i cant figure out how to undo this either..

 

 

I think I figured it out theskyisthelimit! Responded to you on the FI board too but in case this helps others:

 

 Open up FI XP and set the headset facing the cockpit (like you would in 2D). Then exit out of FI-XP without removing the headset or changing its position. Then open up 2D XP and you should have a regular view (for the most part). You'll have to tweak some of the FOV settings and headset position but that's the only way I can get this to work

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Open up FI XP and set the headset facing the cockpit (like you would in 2D). Then exit out of FI-XP without removing the headset or changing its position. Then open up 2D XP and you should have a regular view (for the most part). You'll have to tweak some of the FOV settings and headset position but that's the only way I can get this to work

 Sounds like good advice to me. One of the best things I did was take( i think it was Dan's?) Advice and go into PMDG's 777-220 aircraft .cfg file to the view section and adjust the numbers. You can place yourself where you want/ need to be in the cockpit. The first number in a reference numbers location which in my aircraft is 80' in front of the plane. Decrease move forward increase move back etc. The other 2 numbers are up/down and left/right. You will find it in the WIKI now. After doing this I found myself in the seat, not slightly behind or off center etc. When I change views I go back where I belong instead of finding myself in a different, some times somewhat crazy, position. If you ever take off with your head sticking out of the cockpits roof you will have an idea of what I speak of. In VR you want your goggles. Sometimes I will go back to VC and find myself under the floor boards looking at the landing gear, A nice view for inspecting your brakes etc., but not at FL300. When you do that adjustment do it from inside Flyinside and alt./tab back and forth, that way you can see the results then and there. The panel became markedly clearer to me afterwards also.

Best

BaldyB

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I think I figured it out theskyisthelimit! Responded to you on the FI board too but in case this helps others:

 

 Open up FI XP and set the headset facing the cockpit (like you would in 2D). Then exit out of FI-XP without removing the headset or changing its position. Then open up 2D XP and you should have a regular view (for the most part). You'll have to tweak some of the FOV settings and headset position but that's the only way I can get this to work

Confirmed this worked.. odd that its necessary, hopefully something that they will iron out later on.  Thanks for the tip

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I just updated to Beta 5.. i'm wondering if anyone else is now having problems with ATW and FI.. the second number on the FI fps counter.. getting terrible boxed effect and stutter.. the rates range from 20-70 even on simple scenery areas now, whereas before they were a constant 90-94 depending.. the sim rates are good 27-35..

 

edit: i let it "sit" for about 5 minutes, then checked it again, now i'm better, say 28/85-92, still not that locked on 90+ as before, but closer.. mainly dips looking left

 

edit:  not sure if i mentioned this before, but.. if you put these in a .lua script you gain about 10 fps in the rift...

 

set("sim/private/controls/caps/use_csm", 0.000000)
set("sim/private/controls/perf/disable_shadow_prep", 1.000000)
 
 
Basically kills shadows i believe.

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I was about to go and try it as the beta should have downloaded by now.

 

  After some time away from xplane, FI and the XP11 beta got me back in to giving it a go and so far I am really liking it.

 

  As usual the night flying is really good but suffers badly from colour banding, as does DCS the other sim I use with the rift.

 

    I have been meaning to give it a good go playing around with different graphical settings to get the best quality/FPS compromise.

 

    Interesting to read that the FI AA does little.  I was hoping that turninf FI to 4k with max AA and no AA on XP11 would do the trick.   Anyhow, thats all what I was about to do right now.

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I was about to go and try it as the beta should have downloaded by now.

 

  After some time away from xplane, FI and the XP11 beta got me back in to giving it a go and so far I am really liking it.

 

  As usual the night flying is really good but suffers badly from colour banding, as does DCS the other sim I use with the rift.

 

    I have been meaning to give it a good go playing around with different graphical settings to get the best quality/FPS compromise.

 

    Interesting to read that the FI AA does little.  I was hoping that turninf FI to 4k with max AA and no AA on XP11 would do the trick.   Anyhow, thats all what I was about to do right now.

 

Just an update here.. 

 

It was suggested to try turning AA off in the sim and setting it to 8x in FI (which i swear i had done before).. so i gave it a go.. restarted XP after the change..

 

Now we are cooking.. at least at 3840 res.. i upped to 3840 since AA was off in the sim.. sure there are stiil shimmers about.. IE: do DD NYCX and note off in distance the shimmering and buildings.. but other areas like CYBD Bella.. look fantastic..

 

Aiming at the city I get around 40 fps/ 90 give or take (clear skies).. turning on Xenviro with semi cloudy, this becomes about 30-34 fps still around 90 and locked on the ATW, which is great.

 

I had issues were my fps even on ATW were down as low as 50, after doing the beta 5.. however.. i think that was due to a glitch or some setting or possibly bad ram settings (which also caused a bsod), related to going from 16-32gb and needing more voltage on the vccio/sys agent..  i rolled back to a clean beta 3 and installed everything again and its fine.

 

Whats disappointing is that I have to run 1.04 of Xenviro.. otherwise you get issues.. even with this, the horizon has a wall of clouds.. its because the haze layer doesnt work right in FI.. also.. 2D or VR, xenviro uses 2D sprites for clouds which look ridiculous as you pass by, like paper clouds in the air.. other products use nebulizing technique to make them not look as 2D, Xenviro currently does not.. i may seek out other ways to get good clouds.

 

I also need to compare one last time 2880 (4AA) with 3840 (No AA) just to see which is best, i think 3840 no AA.

 

**The other thing i'm trying to figure out, is how i can do an entire VR flight, with head movements and have all that captured in a video.  Issue is that it runs in a small window, so thats not ideal to just capture that.. i think an "Fsrecorder" type app is needed.. the built in replay feature of XP doesnt capture head movements or views that i can see.  It would be nice to record it in one shot with commentary to (for youtube), but at least a second "replay" may be needed.. how is everyone dealing with recording video for VR flights   (ill either use shadowplay or the built in dvr of windows 10)

 

Side note to the forum:  seems topics are becoming "unfollowed" for some reason.

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Just an update here.. 

 

It was suggested to try turning AA off in the sim and setting it to 8x in FI (which i swear i had done before).. so i gave it a go.. restarted XP after the change..

 

Now we are cooking.. at least at 3840 res.. i upped to 3840 since AA was off in the sim.. sure there are stiil shimmers about.. IE: do DD NYCX and note off in distance the shimmering and buildings.. but other areas like CYBD Bella.. look fantastic..

 

Aiming at the city I get around 40 fps/ 90 give or take (clear skies).. turning on Xenviro with semi cloudy, this becomes about 30-34 fps still around 90 and locked on the ATW, which is great.

 

I had issues were my fps even on ATW were down as low as 50, after doing the beta 5.. however.. i think that was due to a glitch or some setting or possibly bad ram settings (which also caused a bsod), related to going from 16-32gb and needing more voltage on the vccio/sys agent..  i rolled back to a clean beta 3 and installed everything again and its fine.

 

Whats disappointing is that I have to run 1.04 of Xenviro.. otherwise you get issues.. even with this, the horizon has a wall of clouds.. its because the haze layer doesnt work right in FI.. also.. 2D or VR, xenviro uses 2D sprites for clouds which look ridiculous as you pass by, like paper clouds in the air.. other products use nebulizing technique to make them not look as 2D, Xenviro currently does not.. i may seek out other ways to get good clouds.

 

I also need to compare one last time 2880 (4AA) with 3840 (No AA) just to see which is best, i think 3840 no AA.

 

**The other thing i'm trying to figure out, is how i can do an entire VR flight, with head movements and have all that captured in a video.  Issue is that it runs in a small window, so thats not ideal to just capture that.. i think an "Fsrecorder" type app is needed.. the built in replay feature of XP doesnt capture head movements or views that i can see.  It would be nice to record it in one shot with commentary to (for youtube), but at least a second "replay" may be needed.. how is everyone dealing with recording video for VR flights   (ill either use shadowplay or the built in dvr of windows 10)

 

Side note to the forum:  seems topics are becoming "unfollowed" for some reason.

 

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing this. I'll run this on my end and report back too. I'm leaving off XEnviro for now (waiting for full FI support) before I invest in it.

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Last night I turned off AA in xplane and put it to 8x in FI using  3840 res.   It looked good but I didnt do a back and forwards.

 

    In fact I didn't restart xplane as FI used to say if it needed a restart for the change to come in to effect but now I am wondering if I needed to as I dont remember much of a change.   Having said that I do think there was a FPS dip.

 

    I was flying in NZ with the HDmesh and some added airports.   I was getting in the 30's and 40's for FPS with deta 5.

 

    Now, one thing I never did which I find myself doing in VR is taking a seat in the passengers seats!   I never really flew big stuff but it can look so real replaying a landing while sitting back in a window seat looking out as we come down.   I have been doing it a lot in various planes.

 

    The only thing annoying me there in XP11 is that I can't save quick views or go to them.   It takes far too long to use the arrow keys and ,. to move around the aircraft and back to the pilots seat.   I also can't seem to make the equivalent 'fast' version of the move work.

 

     I dont know if this is an xplane bug or an issue with FI but it would certainly make the seat hopping a lot easier.

 

     I still don't have xenviro yet.    Partly the $$ but mostly the combination of the $$ and the fact that it only gives you the weather thats happening right now.   I dont always (or often) want to fly in that weather :)

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Last night I turned off AA in xplane and put it to 8x in FI using  3840 res.   It looked good but I didnt do a back and forwards.

 

    In fact I didn't restart xplane as FI used to say if it needed a restart for the change to come in to effect but now I am wondering if I needed to as I dont remember much of a change.   Having said that I do think there was a FPS dip.

 

    I was flying in NZ with the HDmesh and some added airports.   I was getting in the 30's and 40's for FPS with deta 5.

 

    Now, one thing I never did which I find myself doing in VR is taking a seat in the passengers seats!   I never really flew big stuff but it can look so real replaying a landing while sitting back in a window seat looking out as we come down.   I have been doing it a lot in various planes.

 

    The only thing annoying me there in XP11 is that I can't save quick views or go to them.   It takes far too long to use the arrow keys and ,. to move around the aircraft and back to the pilots seat.   I also can't seem to make the equivalent 'fast' version of the move work.

 

     I dont know if this is an xplane bug or an issue with FI but it would certainly make the seat hopping a lot easier.

 

     I still don't have xenviro yet.    Partly the $$ but mostly the combination of the $$ and the fact that it only gives you the weather thats happening right now.   I dont always (or often) want to fly in that weather :)

 

 

Have you tried an area like NYCX (DD) to see how you tolerate the shimmering yet?  Its "tolerable", though still not quite as good as with P3D in terms of clarity.

 

I also have these that i mentioned before.. in a lua script, which basically cut the cockpit shadows, which gives the fps a slight boost 

 
set("sim/private/controls/caps/use_csm", 0.000000)
set("sim/private/controls/perf/disable_shadow_prep", 1.000000)
 
Beta 6 is to fix fps issues, so that should make things better.
 
In terms of the views.. yeah, there is no real way to do views in FI yet.. its a FI according to Dan/Tony over in the forums.. they may have to implement their own view system to make it work.  I'd love to make some real time (captured via replay scripts) flights with views, but i guess that will have to wait.. or wait for an fsrecorder equivalent.

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My initial tests comparing PB3 with PB6 seem to show no difference in FPS (edit: actually maybe about 2 fps Less), this using NYCX DD as a baseline with flyinside + vr and clear skies.. still getting the same rate.. 40-43 initially aimed at the city from a few miles back (about 34fps with partly cloudy Xenviro going on), this also with CSM turned off via a LUA script (cockpit/wing shadows)

If i turn back to default the cockpit shadows (CSM) i see about 34 fps instead of the 40 before Xenviro loads under PB6 (again, in pb3, with csm shadows off around 42 or so).


I discovered this  to adjust settings not available in v11 that were in v10.. not sure if it works or not, but i may give it a try to help boost the frame rate..  Appears you edit the lua script file to your liking
 

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